How to define.

[Helvete]

Well?

 

[own8ge]

You don't. The further you analyse, the further away you drift from reality. Just let it be.

 

[Helvete]

You don't. The further you analyse, the further away you drift from reality. Just let it be.

But, how is there any common ground?

 

[StevenM]

Observe properties and characteristics, give it a name, and categorize it comparable and relative to other things, based on similarity.

???

 

[Black Rose]

observe from frame of reference

 

[own8ge]

But, how is there any common ground?

You should read "The Wisdom of Insecurity" by Alan Watts

 

[Helvete]

Observe properties and characteristics, give it a name, and categorize it comparable and relative to other things, based on similarity.

???

Bah nice. What about pre existing human constructs?

observe from frame of reference

First reference point is defined by? I suppose what TMills27 said.

You should read "The Wisdom of Insecurity" by Alan Watts

That's all well and good, I may well do this. But what if he's mistaken? Just to accept isn't enough.

 

[StevenM]

Bah nice. What about pre existing human constructs?

I would say they can be relevant.

 

[Helvete]

I would say they can be relevant.

What of words and phrases then? Each word defined has to be defined by more words, which all need their own definition increasingly adding more words to be defined in each definition. It's a spiralling mess.

 

[StevenM]

What of words and phrases then? Each word defined has to be defined by more words, which all need their own definition increasingly adding more words to be defined in each definition. It's a spiralling mess.

Your making me smoke more.

 

[StevenM]

I find it more interesting how the brain puts it all together, and stores all that information. Then again, even the brain is a bit flawed, and there's inconsistencies and incorrect information.

How it came to be that way? It's beyond me, how, and if, we gradually got to be linguistic through evolution. But perhaps, a better understanding could be had if we take a look how infants eventually learn the language, and gradually learn how to define their environment.

I think, ultimately, in our mind, everything ends up being defined by a picture or visual representation. (At least, my mind does). When someone says tree, for a very brief instant, a picture of a generic tree comes to mind, thus how I define a tree.

 

[Vrecknidj]

Ostension.

 

[QuickTwist]

Language in its proper context is how you determine how to define whether that be mathematics, computer code, Morse code, English, French, Dutch, German, Japanese, ect. But with so many different dialects and different ways people are brought up to use such languages, it can get a bit fuzzy at times. The key to understanding someone or something is to try and view it from their perspective rather than thinking in terms which only the individual understands.

 

[OrLevitate]

What of words and phrases then? Each word defined has to be defined by more words, which all need their own definition increasingly adding more words to be defined in each definition. It's a spiralling mess.

No. Stuff means things. Mammoth is mean mammoth. Caveman no get caught up in semantics, why intp do?

Caveman say what word mean what he think it mean, if cavewoman no understand, u use more word and maybe other stuff until do.

It sound like thing u want define no need talk other cavepeople for, what matter? All work out for long time enough good for lots not simple thing talked about. Ok try this loincloth on; the wordds is only one part of communicate what mean, the cognitive capability of other is another part of what mean, and the relateness ttoo. It all simple.

Words are not problem for no know what happening.

Sit down unghng. You are become many winter living. You mother and me tell u now everycaveman want know what go on, just like you want know. But the only one say they do know are without merit. I no want make you sad unghng, and I no want stop u quest of knowledge, I just want to lift rock off unghng head. We are content, your neighbors thive, some mad some other not happpy, you don't need know big spirit, big spirit know you.

 

[Hadoblado]

Say as little about it as possible without letting it be confused for something else.

^hopefully a decent example