How often do you indulge in hedonism?

[TimeAsylums]

Connotation of hedonism subject to interpretation and subjectivism.

You ever just want to go full out?
Do you already?

I try to as much as possible.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I try to force myself to abstain from bohemian ventures, with... mediocre success. I fear addiction, which equates to loss of control/agency.

 

[TimeAsylums]

I try to force myself to abstain from bohemian ventures, with... mediocre success. I fear addiction, which equates to loss of control/agency.

Sans hedonist endeavours, life stagnates; indeed a balance yet found.

//expects Architect to post something regarding classical music

 

[DelusiveNinja]

Due to certain circumstances I am inclined to have limited access to hedonistic pleasures. I also force myself to stay away from too much hedonism by tricking myself into thinking I don't 'need' it. For example, I threw away my iPod the other day because it "tempted me". I regret what I did but at the same time it's for the best. I have times when I do want to "go all out" but, that is usually when I start forcing myself to conjure ideas and focus on reading information.

 

[Absurdity]

Celebration without sacrifice is pathetic. Hedonism has be outweighed with long periods of asceticism and hard work for me not to feel guilty.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Due to certain circumstances I am inclined to have limited access to hedonist pleasures.

Understood

I also force myself to stay away from too much hedonism by tricking myself into thinking I don't 'need' it.

Unfortunately, a 'trick' indeed.

For example, I threw away my iPod the other day because it "tempted me".

What?

I regret what I did but at the same time it's for the best.

I find regret in this life unnecessary, however probably 'for the best,' but who is to say?

I have times when I do want to "go all out" but, that is usually when I start forcing myself to conjure ideas and focus on reading information.

The Dionysian/Apollonian struggle indeed.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Celebration without sacrifice is pathetic.

By what standards have you derived this conclusion?

Hedonism has be outweighed with long periods of asceticism and hard work for me not to feel guilty.

Guilt, along with regret, is unnecessary and relative.
Is 'guilt' the standard by which you derived 'sacrifice' is necessary for celebration to be meaningful?



Regardless of that straying Ni, How often do you indulge in hedonism, Absurdity?

 

[DelusiveNinja]

I find regret in this life unnecessary, however probably 'for the best,' but who is to say?

I determined it was for the best because for me the equation below is possible.

Privacy + iPod (with internet connection) = A possible decrease in creativity

 

[TimeAsylums]

Privacy + iPod (with internet connection) = A possible decrease in creativity

Possible increase in creativity not possible? Or did the possibility of decrease outweigh the aforementioned?

 

[DelusiveNinja]

Possible increase in creativity not possible? Or did the possibility of decrease outweigh the aforementioned?

It's possible for possible increase in creativity via things like lumosity but, with me, the desire to indulge in activities that would lead to decrease in creativity outweighed the will to do things that would increase creativity.

 

[Absurdity]

By what standards have you derived this conclusion?

Guilt, along with regret, is unnecessary and relative.
Is 'guilt' the standard by which you derived 'sacrifice' is necessary for celebration to be meaningful?

Unmitigated hedonism is antithetical to the development of one's character at the micro level and to civilization itself at the macro level. Enjoyment must be restrained or it becomes a vice.

Regardless: How often do you indulge in hedonism, Absurdity?

Very little by the standards of my peers. I go out drinking about once or twice a month.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Unmitigated hedonism is antithetical to the development of one's character

Is that factual?

Who or what objectively defines what one's "development of charater" should or should not be?

civilization itself at the macro level.

I suppose I could claim subjectivity here, but I suppose I agree - to an extent.

Enjoyment must be restrained or it becomes a vice.

Is this factual?

Very little by the standards of my peers. I go out drinking about once or twice a month.

Drinking being the only form of hedonism (in your view) you partake in?

 

[DelusiveNinja]

splitting hairs I see TimeAsylums.

 

[Absurdity]

Who or what objectively defines what one's "development of charater" should or should not be?

Character inherently cannot be objectively measured. I don't think that makes it any less important, though.

I suppose I could claim subjectivity here, but I suppose I agree - to an extent.

There is a word to describe a society possessed by unrestrained hedonism: decadent.

Is this factual?

No, it's a personal conviction. I suspect it can be broadly generalized, though. Similar patterns can be seen in the arts where content must be restrained by form, passion by craftsmanship.

Drinking being the only form of hedonism (in your view) you partake in?

It is the gateway to various others that I'm sure you're capable of inferring.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Character inherently cannot be objectively measured. I don't think that makes it any less important, though.

Agreed, it is important, I don't necessarrily disagree, just wanted to see:

it's a personal conviction

There is a word to describe a society possessed by unrestrained hedonism: decadent.

Touche. But, why must (over)self-indulgence be linked to a moral decline? Do you share views in asceticism?
//you can ignore this, I'm beginnig to mentally jerk

It is the gateway to various others that I'm sure you're capable of inferring.

Giving an Ne open ended ability to infer? Oh, my.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Splitting hairs I see, TimeAsylums.

As usual.
I've had History and English teachers call me 'pedantic'.
http://www.mypersonality.info/timeasylums/
See: verbal/linguistic
One might as well play his strengths.

The whole meaning of a discussion can be lost in mere words.
//it really helps deciphering another's point, or gettig one's own point across.

 

[Agent Intellect]

I indulge in hedonism all too much. I am now, in fact.

 

[r4ch3l]

unfortunately hedonism often == masochism for me.

when i do drugs that are supposed to make people euphoric i go into dark and over-thinking mode (but, at the same time, over-thinking = euphoria for me in the right frame...so I am euphoric but on a different planet from most enjoying the heightened connection).

nowadays hedonism bores me. i wish it didn't. i miss when it was new. i experiment/push limits and then...it's all just data for what has always made me the happiest. i believe for people like me hedonism can simply be an unhealthy catalyst for connection, that i need to learn to meet this need in a more creative and constructive way in order to actually be fulfilled.

 

[Vict]

I tried it for a while. It was vapid and expensive.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I tried it for a while. It was vapid and expensive.

Sounds like someone didn't partake in the right kind of hedonism.

 

[Montresor]

Somehow I don't think introverted personalities are cut out for it in the long run.

Short bursts maybe. Especially the Ni.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Somehow I don't think introverted personalities are cut out for it in the long run.

Short bursts maybe. Especially the Ni.

I'm sure there are solo-engagements of hedonism, unless you were referring to all of it.

Oooh, dat Ni...

 

[kvothe27]

Base hedonism, for me, mostly consists of reading fantasy/science fiction books, playing video games, and browsing forums like this one.

Hedonism in regards to food or sex (picking women up at bars) just strikes me as masochistic and disgusting. Drinking is almost never enjoyable either because it just makes me even more introverted.

I'm not very good at base hedonism, it would seem.

I'm mostly into high brow hedonism, such as intellectual pursuits and exercise (runner's high is more pleasurable than drinking or getting stoned).

That said, I indulge in a great deal of the aforementioned base hedonism. I'm a science fiction and fantasy book junkie.

 

[kvothe27]

unfortunately hedonism often == masochism for me.

when i do drugs that are supposed to make people euphoric i go into dark and over-thinking mode (but, at the same time, over-thinking = euphoria for me in the right frame...so I am euphoric but on a different planet from most enjoying the heightened connection).

nowadays hedonism bores me. i wish it didn't. i miss when it was new. i experiment/push limits and then...it's all just data for what has always made me the happiest. i believe for people like me hedonism can simply be an unhealthy catalyst for connection, that i need to learn to meet this need in a more creative and constructive way in order to actually be fulfilled.

Exactly. This is how I view most traditional forms of hedonism -- in the long run, they're more painful than pleasurable. They're symptomatic of need deprivation (needs of the ego). It might feel really good to get jacked up on amphetamines or valium or to engage in sexual conquests, but these often end up being more painful than pleasurable in the long run.

 

[Vict]

Sounds like someone didn't partake in the right kind of hedonism.

Hah. Yeah, I heard this before.

 

[eagor]

i did when i was younger for about a week and a half, but i stopped because it became too much work, and too time consuming

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

I pass the day in virtue and the night in vice.

I just do the virtue parts in order to get more pleasure from the vice parts