Honest Question INTJ/INTP

[Jason988]

So I actually found this forum searching something the other day. I was actually searching ESFJ since my wife is one. Forgot the exact search string but its not important. I am an INTJ 8w7 so please don't get upset if my words are not wrapped up in the proper way to not hurt anyones fragile feelings if my question is worded non INTP like. I do not think I could write like that if I tried. Here we go..

I had a friend that is an INTP. I did not realize INTPs had such fragile feelings. Reading the do not insult part about think how your words will be perceived and its ok to apologize as a response got me thinking. My buddy who was an INTP used to always walk away when I joked with him. After reading this forum I got to ask why are INTPs so fragile with feelings?

Maybe its that I am not in touch with my feelings as I feel that they get in the way of achieving goals. Emotions can cloud your vision and get in the way of your drive. I see no need to indulge in them or entertain them. Of course I have emotions but I supposed they are repressed pretty deep. You see your inner visions then you go make them reality. You don't stop to check how people feel inside about you achieving your goals. Its more like a laser beam focus that you always keep your eye on the end goal. Anyone who stands in your way you simply remove from the equation to prevent further loss of time.

I guess it comes down to I honestly believe that if you allow peoples feelings to influence your decisions or worse dictate your decisions that is weakness. That can be used to manipulate you to others will with ease. You could say pretty much anything to me and I wouldn't take it personally. You could say I am an asshole and I would think thats great you are thinking of me. Tell me more so I can read it before bed. Meaning I just laugh it off. You could say I'm a fatty. I would say I definitely need to work midsection so you are correct. That is me failing myself by eating shit even though I workout 4-5 days a week. Its a flaw I need to fix thanks. Hell even say I am a broke liar. I know what my bank accounts and digital currency accounts say so I know your just trying to make yourself feel better.

Point is I never expected to find so much emotional weakness within this forum. It blows my mind. My wife is ESFJ so I have experience dealing with emotional weakness. Just as she ended up doing a lot of people here need to find that strength within themselves. I love learning and building things. So I know we are not that much different. My drive is different as in I look at my timeline to achieve all of my goals before I die or my mind starts to go. That seems to be completely different. However learning, building, social awkwardness and introversion is the same. The social part I just am horrible at because people trying to talk me about sports or drama has no meaning. If there is no purpose to use that information for future events whats the point in conversations. To make people feel good? They can go home and jerk off if they want that. I am not emotional supportive in that aspect. Wife trying to tell me about what people said on Facebook gets the response, "how does this conversation help us progress in the future? The person your talking about I do not know therefor do not care what their opinion is. Please keep nonsense to yourself." She responds "don't be an ass." My response is " I love you but please talk about something that has a purpose."

My question is why are INTPs weak emotionally and why do you feel that is acceptable? Not being a dick just asking a question. (Insert box of tissues here) That was a joke lol =P

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

Is this performance art?

I actually like it. With each paragraph, we descend deeper into a maniac's mind.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Irl intps tend to be but onthe internet you can easily voice ehatever you want in what way you want. Plus not all of us are intp on this forum, probably like a third or half.

 

[Jason988]

Is this performance art?

I actually like it. With each paragraph, we descend deeper into a maniac's mind.

I know I was expecting a back rub halfway thru. That was the least you could do for that deep dive lol

My mind does move 1000 miles an hour not doubt there. Probably why I love taking the bike to trackdays going 150mph. Still doesn't answer the original question though as to why we are so alike yet INTPs are so different as it pertains to emotions/confidence?

Defintely laughed when I read your comment haha =D

 

[Jason988]

Irl intps tend to be but onthe internet you can easily voice ehatever you want in what way you want. Plus not all of us are intp on this forum, probably like a third or half.

Thats actually interesting that its not 90% or more INTP on here. I never signed up on INTJ forum because that is literally 90% who is on there. Tends to run most other types off quick. You will not find any SJ or SP there.

 

[Cogitant]

INTP with INTJ brother here.

+I know exactly where you're coming from.
Although I'm not especially emotional myself, I can't deal too well with other people's emotions; they make me confused and nervous.
-So I tend to avoid overly emotional people.

Brother really doesn't seem to get affected by anything ever, however
-WW3 could break loose, and he would become a cool-headed captain, strategizing everything and everyone (he has a knack of getting through to most people and convincing them to do what's 'best') while the rest of the world was going crazy.

I appreciate his drive is to optimize everything and everyone, although I am not like that myself (my head's in the clouds mostly), there have been many times when he has helped me out by giving practical advice.

Also he gets on with my ESTJ mother really well. I've always been nervous of her.

I've an account in your INTJ forum. Just a lurker there, however.
-It's all tidy and organized

 

[atypicalintellect]

nvm

 

[atypicalintellect]

Ok wow, you came off as if your were just basically saying get over it.

Myself I do have sensitive feelings but not in the sense that your putting it. Like if I know someone is intentionally trying to hurt my feelings just to be mean, I may get upset but probably not. But if I know you just said something insulting but I have observed that is how you talk to everyone and it is not personal than I won't take it personal. I would then tell you not to say whatever you said again. But If you would come back and keep saying it just cause you know it is going to trigger me, that would really hurt because I trusted you enough to let you in and then you just didn't care about my feelings.

Makes sense?

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

I know I was expecting a back rub halfway thru. That was the least you could do for that deep dive lol

My mind does move 1000 miles an hour not doubt there. Probably why I love taking the bike to trackdays going 150mph. Still doesn't answer the original question though as to why we are so alike yet INTPs are so different as it pertains to emotions/confidence?

Defintely laughed when I read your comment haha =D

I think it's as simple as: emotional resilience is a cultivated trait, not something predicated by type.

 

[PmjPmj]

I am an INTJ 8w7 so please don't get upset if my words are not wrapped up in the proper way to not hurt anyones fragile feelings

lmFao.

Fellow Ni dominant with a preference for Te, here. Enneagram-wise I'm probably a 5w4, but w/e.

Learn2emotion. The cold, harsh reality is that your inability to understand your own emotions - let alone those of others - is detrimental to your human experience. Believe me, I know how hard trying to nail this shit is (fortunately I'm married to an ENTJ, so I do get a bit of a reprieve there) but it's a necessary journey.

Your OP was TL;DR. You ramble too much. Cut to the fucking chase - what exactly do you want to know? Bottom-line it for me.

 

[pjoa09]

You don't really describe the situation well and you go into this weird long monologue. All we have is to the effect - you make a joke he walks away.

I'd say I feel a lot. I try to bottle it or express it with other shit.

If you are going around saying "I slept with your mum lol" 200 times a day, I'd advise you to look for better jokes. He might enjoy them better.

edit: I think I have a pretty thick skin if someone is joking. If a friend said something mean and actually meant it then I might sit there for weeks thinking about it. But I wouldn't walk away.

 

[Jason988]

lmFao.

Fellow Ni dominant with a preference for Te, here. Enneagram-wise I'm probably a 5w4, but w/e.

Learn2emotion. The cold, harsh reality is that your inability to understand your own emotions - let alone those of others - is detrimental to your human experience. Believe me, I know how hard trying to nail this shit is (fortunately I'm married to an ENTJ, so I do get a bit of a reprieve there) but it's a necessary journey.

Your OP was TL;DR. You ramble too much. Cut to the fucking chase - what exactly do you want to know? Bottom-line it for me.

Love the directness. Why are INTPs so different in so many ways i.e. emotional, drive, confidence and so while we are pretty close within functions?

Got to say I never dated an ENTJ but that combo INTJ/ENTJ has got to be some freaky shit in the bedroom.

 

[Jason988]

You don't really describe the situation well and you go into this weird long monologue. All we have is to the effect - you make a joke he walks away.

I'd say I feel a lot. I try to bottle it or express it with other shit.

If you are going around saying "I slept with your mum lol" 200 times a day, I'd advise you to look for better jokes. He might enjoy them better.

edit: I think I have a pretty thick skin if someone is joking. If a friend said something mean and actually meant it then I might sit there for weeks thinking about it. But I wouldn't walk away.

Definitely would not say I slept with your mom. I don't know your mom so I cant say that would be fun. She could be 400lbs or kinda cute little freaky 40 year old. I wouldn't commit myself to that comment lol

To boil it down I was more curious why with such close functions INTJ/INTP seem complete opposites?

 

[Jason988]

Ok wow, you came off as if your were just basically saying get over it.

Myself I do have sensitive feelings but not in the sense that your putting it. Like if I know someone is intentionally trying to hurt my feelings just to be mean, I may get upset but probably not. But if I know you just said something insulting but I have observed that is how you talk to everyone and it is not personal than I won't take it personal. I would then tell you not to say whatever you said again. But If you would come back and keep saying it just cause you know it is going to trigger me, that would really hurt because I trusted you enough to let you in and then you just didn't care about my feelings.

Makes sense?

This is kind of what I was confused about. Why would you trust someone with your feelings? Your wife or kids I understand but anyone else seems to be setting yourself up to be controlled or open to be used. I am assuming your an INTP?

We both use intuition and thinking. Yet this thinking seems so off to me. I know INTJs use intuition and thinking more for strategy. I know INTPs can be good at future landing too. I would think that INTPs would be more emotionally detached yet it seems as though it is the same level as an ESFJ like my wife. Very confusing if you fall into the rational group.

By the way this might help you in life. Don't ever say "never mind" then comment to people afterwards. It doesn't matter here so much but in life that screams no confidence within yourself or your too indecisive to make decisions on your own. Either way it screams weakness and others will exploit that in you. You don't want to do that.

 

[Jason988]

INTP with INTJ brother here.

+I know exactly where you're coming from.
Although I'm not especially emotional myself, I can't deal too well with other people's emotions; they make me confused and nervous.
-So I tend to avoid overly emotional people.

Brother really doesn't seem to get affected by anything ever, however
-WW3 could break loose, and he would become a cool-headed captain, strategizing everything and everyone (he has a knack of getting through to most people and convincing them to do what's 'best') while the rest of the world was going crazy.

I appreciate his drive is to optimize everything and everyone, although I am not like that myself (my head's in the clouds mostly), there have been many times when he has helped me out by giving practical advice.

Also he gets on with my ESTJ mother really well. I've always been nervous of her.

I've an account in your INTJ forum. Just a lurker there, however.
-It's all tidy and organized

Not sure my brothers type but my mom is INFJ. Father was ESTJ so I grew up with that too. Probably where I got my enneagram type since no doubt father was 8w7. We got in a few fist fights when I was a teenager lol I think growing up with that mix also helped create that inner drive to get things done. Action oriented objectives should never be put off unless you see the timing needs adjusted. I cant relax unless I am on schedule on course to get all accomplishments that day done. If I didn't get that accomplished then it messes up schedule for next 3 days which are already planned in my mind.

 

[washti]

yo yo did I just smell condescending cunt? And its not mine? Nvm.

 

[Jason988]

yo yo did I just smell condescending cunt? And its not mine? Nvm.

Definitely not yours. Check your boyfriend to see if his tampon is full

Yo Yo
^^^
LMFAO thats hilarious. I am going to guess 19-20 years old hahaha

 

[washti]

11 y o virgin never saw a dick LYEMP super smart tampon king

 

[Pyropyro]

This is kind of what I was confused about. Why would you trust someone with your feelings? Your wife or kids I understand but anyone else seems to be setting yourself up to be controlled or open to be used. I am assuming your an INTP?

Based on the stories that I've read here over the years. The family that some of these young INTP posters are unsafe to share/trust their feelings with.

I think they are emotionally fragile not because of type but because they were not equipped by their families/irl friends to develop resiliency. They risk being controlled by strangers as long as they get a chance to fill their need to be intimate with their feelings. It just happens that this is an intp forum so it has a better chance of getting the intps of the bunch.

 

[Jason988]

11 y o virgin never saw a dick LYEMP super smart tampon king

Lmfao!! Beautiful comeback haha You started exchange though lol

I don't feel I'm condescending though. I was just being honest that people will use that against him though. The world exploits weaknesses so it's better to fix them in advance. That actually is good advice not supieor or thinking I am better in any way. I have no reason to lie about that.

 

[Jason988]

Based on the stories that I've read here over the years. The family that some of these young INTP posters are unsafe to share/trust their feelings with.

I think they are emotionally fragile not because of type but because they were not equipped by their families/irl friends to develop resiliency. They risk being controlled by strangers as long as they get a chance to fill their need to be intimate with their feelings. It just happens that this is an intp forum so it has a better chance of getting the intps of the bunch.

That's actually a great explanation; thank you. What types do you tend to gravitate to? I can honestly say that feelers and sensors are much harder for me to communicate with.

 

[washti]

Comeback?I was lurking in every corner with Jesus.
My Ni sensed your intention here. My Godfuck NI. Your intentions smelled like a overused condescending cunt. So you know - I kind of have to share it here, after all it possese such an utmost importance. And my dear boy - stop lying to yourself. - you are not intj. I know, i know - it gonna hurts for some time but you will feel better after ditching this delusion.
*THE SMELL*

 

[Pyropyro]

That's actually a great explanation; thank you. What types do you tend to gravitate to? I can honestly say that feelers and sensors are much harder for me to communicate with.

Most of my friends are self-typed as INTJ's or INTP's. Keeps me on my toes and they usually have something new to brainstorm with or are receptive to new ideas.

Feelers are quite a handful when they get worked up. The drama they generate isn't worth the time so I tend to avoid the areas that I know they have strong feelings attached to (say, poverty alleviation) if I can help it.

Sensors are quite easy to work with if you communicate with via familiar processes and replace certain parts of said process with your ideas. Visual aids like Powerpoint flowcharts or just simple sketches are useful to get your point across.

 

[Jason988]

Comeback?I was lurking in every corner with Jesus.
My Ni sensed your intention here. My Godfuck NI. Your intentions smelled like a overused condescending cunt. So you know - I kind of have to share it here, after all it possese such an utmost importance. And my dear boy - stop lying to yourself. - you are not intj. I know, i know - it gonna hurts for some time but you will feel better after ditching this delusion.
*THE SMELL*

Your are definitely an incompetent idiot after reading this. I figured I would find a keyboard warrior and there you are. Let's get something straight. I am not your boy and your NI has failed you once again. I do come off a little different then some INTJ because of my enneagram type. In that sense my TE is very noticeable. I will say that is where I am better then you. Along time ago before that second function became stronger I was like you. So as I can understand fully where your at now and know how it plays out with the exception your a 5 on enneagram then your fucked. I used to be like you though. I think by the time I started my third business my second extroverted thinking had become overly pronounced. So to most I come off in person as EMTJ yet I prefer to be alone. The only delusion you should be concerned with is how your NI failed you in this assessment when it was so strong. Enjoy learkibg in the shadows of the internet as that will be your only salvation. In the real world I say good luck lol you will need it. Your NI failed you and you still sit in the corner. That is beyond pathetic. Just think about those facts.

I am wondering what your type actually is? You seem very young and immature. If your older and are like this you are fucked lol before you go run and hide please share about yourself so your idiocy can be cleared up. If you notice in posts above I feel no need to hide. You can't be an INTJ considering you are afraid to speak of ones self. If you are then your 20 and have a difficult road ahead. Please explain some things about yourself before you feel the need to hide once more.

 

[Jason988]

Comeback?I was lurking in every corner with Jesus.
My Ni sensed your intention here. My Godfuck NI. Your intentions smelled like a overused condescending cunt. So you know - I kind of have to share it here, after all it possese such an utmost importance. And my dear boy - stop lying to yourself. - you are not intj. I know, i know - it gonna hurts for some time but you will feel better after ditching this delusion.
*THE SMELL*

I found the answer. Here is a quote from your profile.

I want to be SHIT STORM MASTER and send them on you. Like now. Like their never stop.

That tells me everything I need to know. I'm sure your mom and dad are proud of making a peice of shit lmfao Too funny lmao seriously after reading the comments in your profile to people you are lower then the dirt that gets on the bottoms of my shoes. Your life is shit, your family is shit and you have nothing but negativity to put out to people because your weak. So pathetic.... I feel like the idiot for even responding to so depressed pussy that probably has scars on his wrist from his pathetic family growing up. Have a great life and remember to cut straight up the wrist with more pressure not straight across. You might succeed at something that way. Great waste of time. Enjoy your misery and all the depression you can handle hahaha post up your address and I will send you the sharp razor blades next time for when you go hide lmfao!!!

 

[Jason988]

Most of my friends are self-typed as INTJ's or INTP's. Keeps me on my toes and they usually have something new to brainstorm with or are receptive to new ideas.

Feelers are quite a handful when they get worked up. The drama they generate isn't worth the time so I tend to avoid the areas that I know they have strong feelings attached to (say, poverty alleviation) if I can help it.

Sensors are quite easy to work with if you communicate with via familiar processes and replace certain parts of said process with your ideas. Visual aids like Powerpoint flowcharts or just simple sketches are useful to get your point across.

Wife is a feeler and that is difficult sometimes. Just last night she was telling me about her friends friendship with her other friend and how she was upset and on. I tried to let her vent but about 5 minutes thru I finally said" Tiff in case you have not noticed I do not care what your friends friend thinks of shit. We have wasted 5 minutes now on nonsense. I planned on doing something tomorrow with you and Owen (our 1 year old). So can you please focus on more important stuff like that. Your friends problems are there's and I do not care to even speak about them."

So yes feelers are hard especially with people problems. They get sucked in every time lol

 

[washti]

I always bring the best in people *wink wink*

 

[Jason988]

I always bring the best in people *wink wink*

^^
Troll retreats to basement to watch more child porn and cry about his shit life that nobody or nothing cares about lmfao I was serious though. Post up your address and I will send you a pack of new sharp razor blades with a diagram so you can't fuck it up. You can sit with those just thinking how you have nothing in life, nobody in your life and never will have anything. You could always just hang yourself instead. Nobody will miss you. Your family didn't even care about you lmfao what would make you think anyone else would? Simple answer is they won't. Parents are either dead or should be. Nothing left in this life for you now except telling people on forums how miserable your life is Lmfao!!! I'm done with you as I can tell your already done with yourself. Anytime you need a cheerleader to help you reach that "peaceful " place hit me up hahaha If you cut yourself tonight post pics before you bleed out. I could use a good laugh when you manage to fuck that up too before I go to bed lmfao!!!! Post address I will get those razors sent to you overnighted hahahaha

 

[washti]

fuck razors
35°28'16"N 138°38'37"E

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

I figured I would find a keyboard warrior

Now am definitely convinced this thread is an art piece.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

You talk about our emotions, but surely you have big problem with your own. We are not fragile, we just don't like people who are unpleasant to us like every person on the planet. Also you are obvious troll so I won't answer your question with seriousness.

 

[Crystabelle]

Is this performance art?

I actually like it. With each paragraph, we descend deeper into a maniac's mind.

Voted best response. Evar

 

[Crystabelle]

My question is why are INTPs weak emotionally and why do you feel that is acceptable?

I think it's because they are little sissy baby girls. I'm with you. SOOOOOOO sensitive.

 

[Jason988]

You talk about our emotions, but surely you have big problem with your own. We are not fragile, we just don't like people who are unpleasant to us like every person on the planet. Also you are obvious troll so I won't answer your question with seriousness.

No I am definitely not a troll. I just have been busy these last few days. Had to have electrician run another 200amp service to office. Then ac unit and getting all my miners running in there. I mine digital currency since the electric bill is a write off with my other businesses I have in that office. Free money basically that doesn't need claimed. As you can tell I'm not a troll or I would be running my mouth to you. That idiot deserves anything that comes his way in life. So please answer the question as best as you can. Thank You

 

[Jason988]

Now am definitely convinced this thread is an art piece.

You seem to be interested in the arts. I can say I am not interested in those at all. Although I have been to a few plays. It's actually interesting how people can get so caught up in their character. I could never be someone I am not. Hiding who I am is not something I find of any value.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

No I am definitely not a troll. I just have been busy these last few days. Had to have electrician run another 200amp service to office. Then ac unit and getting all my miners running in there. I mine digital currency since the electric bill is a write off with my other businesses I have in that office. Free money basically that doesn't need claimed. As you can tell I'm not a troll or I would be running my mouth to you. That idiot deserves anything that comes his way in life. So please answer the question as best as you can. Thank You

nice try, but no, thanks

 

[Oprale]

Holy shit this escalated quickly

 

[PmjPmj]

This thread is so wholesome.

Apologies - between work and life I managed to completely forget about your question. I guess my Big 5 conscientiousness score isn't the best. More like cuntcientiousness, heh.

Love the directness. Why are INTPs so different in so many ways i.e. emotional, drive, confidence and so while we are pretty close within functions?

We aren't really all that close in terms of functions, if you look in to how they manifest. Straight off the bat you're talking about an individual who leads with Ti and another who leads with Ni. That right there is chalk and cheese.

An INTP is going to be naturally more logical; an INTJ is going to be far more of a navel-gazing arsehole who sees a million faults everywhere but can't be bothered doing anything about it. Unless of course you're a type 1 (fuck those guys >_>).

Ni is convergent; Ne is expansive. INTPs seem to be more 'open' to a great many things, whereas I'm chasing THE ONE ABSOLUTE THING WOT MUST 100% BE THE WAY I IMAGINE, thus tend to appear as though I have a large rod up my arse Vs. the INTPs pretty chilled attitude.

My INTP friend (pro-confirmed) can be straight up charismatic because of his Fe. He has a far easier time connecting with people, and can schmooze very well indeed - compared to myself and my Fi, of course. I tend to look like a fucking aspie. I can certainly be charming and friendly (I've been told as much) but tend to inadvertently come across as 'intense and hostile' (... I've been told as much). I also have a severe case of resting bitch face, which tends not to help matters. My INTP friend on the other hand tends to look a great deal more relaxed and approachable.

Si and Se... I tend to enjoy being a consumer shithead far more than said INTP. He certainly has some very nice things, but they all pertain to his specific interests. I'll just get the best of what I can afford. E.G. I dive a fairly nice Merc and I like to buy expensive clothes when I can, because I like to look half-decent (this has somewhat gone to shit post becoming a father, mind). I'm more concerned with aesthetics and he's... really not. It took me about a decade of moaning to him about cable management for him to actually manage his cables.

... and now I'm rambling and incoherent, but perhaps you can derive some sense from that. I'm far to depressed to give a shit about being concise.

Got to say I never dated an ENTJ but that combo INTJ/ENTJ has got to be some freaky shit in the bedroom.

Having kids ruined that

Prior to that, though? Ohhohohoh