"Holy shit this makes sens" introduction

[EditorOne]

I thought it was funny, not offensive. I'm just busting on you. Wait - an accidental play on words!

 

[SpaceYeti]

HA a theory isn't an understanding or an explanation, its a guess, its an opinion almost. I could say the universe was made by ducks that had 22 legs and ruled galaxy's before the big bang. And no one could prove me wrong.

I could call that a theory of 22 legged ducks.

Some theory's are more reasonable then others, but saying one theory is impossible because it conflicts with another is not right.

Theory's are our guess of how something works or why it exists. If they were 100% proven they would be called laws..

Sure, the colloquial "theory" is the synonym of "guess" or "opinion", but not a scientific theory.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Is dick italicized for emphasis or because
it is to be read with an accent?

The first thing.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Oh just lay off the kid, will you?
Space - you're just a plain dick, he is at least young and pseudo-intellectual.

... No, I won't. I mean, I won't be so harsh all the time, but I'm not gonna just let people run around shouting nonsense without correcting them. It's common courtesy to educate people who are so poorly educated.

 

[Melllvar]

You're a young, pseudo-intellectual dick.

Judging from this thread (and all the others like it), I'd say he's probably less of a dick than most of the people on this forum.

HA a theory isn't an understanding or an explanation, its a guess, its an opinion almost. I could say the universe was made by ducks that had 22 legs and ruled galaxy's before the big bang. And no one could prove me wrong.

I could call that a theory of 22 legged ducks.

Some theory's are more reasonable then others, but saying one theory is impossible because it conflicts with another is not right.

Theory's are our guess of how something works or why it exists. If they were 100% proven they would be called laws..

Good job changing your writing style. You see this is a forum for INTPs. We don't like people who are unwilling to conform to pedantic social standards. I'm afraid you'll have to either learn to normalize yourself to the standards of others or else go the way of Smeagle, MunkySpank and that horny 15 year old girl.

(Seriously though, don't worry about it. They do this to about every 3rd newcomer. Even SpaceYeti had his turn. Not that you wouldn't actually be banned for it - that's certainly possible.)

I have noticed that
the "line break" on the bottom
of bird's
avatar moved
up a quarter inch and
now
you can't see what
you could see before.

Actually, I hadn't noticed that. And now I'll probably never get to. *sad*

Although I did find these gems while googling for it:

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[SpaceYeti]

Judging from this thread (and all the others like it), I'd say he's probably less of a dick than most of the people on this forum.

Perhaps, but he is a dick, as exemplified by his lack of attempting to use English in an understandable way. the courteous thing to do is attempt to communicate in a manner that people understand what you're saying, but he doesn't even try. If he tried and simply failed, that'd be fine.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Melllv, I oddly considered using
the first photo you posted, but
thought I would get in trouble.
Hahahaha


And if you want the full of my
avatar, I can send it to you.
But I'm not going to needlessly.

Send it to me!

 

[Solitaire U.]

... No, I won't. I mean, I won't be so harsh all the time, but I'm not gonna just let people run around shouting nonsense without correcting them. It's common courtesy to educate people who are so poorly educated.

Well since you apparently declare yourself intellectually-superior to the member in question, you should have no problem explaining to the rest of us how calling him a dick is so commonly courteous...

Just to clarify...consider this a direct request.

@ Melllvar...99 Chan much?

 

[AlisaD]

... No, I won't. I mean, I won't be so harsh all the time, but I'm not gonna just let people run around shouting nonsense without correcting them. It's common courtesy to educate people who are so poorly educated.

People calling him a dick for not conforming? You're right, it is quite common, he can probably find a jerk who will offer that kind of courtesy at any corner of our glorious planet.
But thank you for adding to the misery.

 

[Melllvar]

Perhaps, but he is a dick, as exemplified by his lack of attempting to use English in an understandable way. the courteous thing to do is attempt to communicate in a manner that people understand what you're saying, but he doesn't even try. If he tried and simply failed, that'd be fine.

It's not someone else's responsibility to communicate in a way you deem appropriate. Like it or not, if you don't like someone's accent, or their particular dialect, the language they speak, how they wear their clothes or carry themselves, or the fact that for some stupid reason they like to Wr1Te lk D1s!!1!, it isn't their job to change just because it makes you happy.

I realize conservative America, long-time haters of immigration, ebonics, saggy pants, and all that is new and different may disagree with me on this.

If you don't like it, don't listen to it. If enough people do that maybe they'll get bored and go elsewhere, or decide to alter things for their own sake. You aren't compelled to puzzle out meaning in what someone says anymore than they should be compelled to present themselves in a way you find acceptable.

@ Melllvar...99 Chan much?

Never heard of it before.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

This thread.

You gotta love the witchhunts.

 

[Anthile]

People calling him a dick for not conforming? You're right, it is quite common, he can probably find a jerk who will offer that kind of courtesy at any corner of our glorious planet.
But thank you for adding to the misery.

Not that I agree with monsieur SpaceYeti (thanks to Bird I now read all of his postings in a French accent) but "not conforming" is nothing but an euphemism here. There are people like Chimera or Bird on this forum who have a rather unusual posting style and nobody ever wants to lynch them. That's because they're female. That's because you can actually read their postings without getting a seizure.
I always think of poor literacy as the internet equivalent of smelling bad (non-native speakers and dyslexic people are excluded from that analogy). Apparently you think that respect is a one-way street. I agree that respecting people who are different is important but where is his respect for us, the rest of the forum?

 

[AlisaD]

Not that I agree with monsieur SpaceYeti (thanks to Bird I now read all of his postings in a French accent) but "not conforming" is nothing but an euphemism here. There are people like Chimera or Bird on this forum who have a rather unusual posting style and nobody ever wants to lynch them. That's because they're female. That's because you can actually read their postings without getting a seizure.
I always think of poor literacy as the internet equivalent of smelling bad (non-native speakers and dyslexic people are excluded from that analogy). Apparently you think that respect is a one-way street. I agree that respecting people who are different is important but where is his respect for us, the rest of the forum?

To be honest, what I'm actually suggesting is not really respect, just tolerance.
Meaning - not banning people because you don't like their style of writing. No name calling, unless if it is one of those threads. No ganging up and attacking newcomers. Even if they do smell a bit funny.

Respect is a very big word, and one I don't use lightly. I do not respect most people. But I will still do my best to accept them for who they are and if for some reason I dislike what they do, or the way they smell, I will try and see why they act the way they act, if I find that the reason lacks substance - express my dissatisfaction, but never lobby their excommunication.

 

[Mary]

I likes Sens. He makes me chuckle. ^-^

 

[Jchazard]

Wow you guys are dicks. haha I don't think a ban is necessary. I'm sure that after seeing this he'll sharpen up his act.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Wow, so people don't mind when someone puts no effort into communicating in a manner that the people their addressing understand? It's not about conforming, it's about the very reason we speak in the first place, it's about making the attempt to say something in a way that what he's trying to communicate comes across, so that people actually understand what he's saying. If he happens to have an accent, or he likes to dress a certain way, or the other BS you said, he can't control that, he's still putting effort into being understood. This guy doesn't put any effort into being understood, nullifying the very idea of conversation in the first place!

 

[Solitaire U.]

Never heard of it before.

Well in that case permit me the honor of a formal introduction...

http://www.99chan.in/

Herein you will discover an absolute Mecca for enthusiasts of the artistic style you earlier provided such fitting examples of.

Cautionary word of advice should you choose to explore... avoid /cute/ ...it isn't.

 

[Mary]

This guy doesn't put any effort into being understood, nullifying the very idea of conversation in the first place!

This is why I think he's either a troll, a generally annoying person, or just plain silly.

Which is why I find him amusing.

 

[Solitaire U.]

This guy doesn't put any effort into being understood...

Oppose.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Of course SpaceYeti.

In all seriousness, communication is an art and is subjective. One is free to use any method he so chooses. However, this forum is a meeting of identities to converse with one another. If one user chooses to blatantly ignore other's perceptions of his own method of communication, then I see no reason why he should be allowed to continue to converse.

If you do not care how we receive your messages, then why are you sending them at all? For the purpose of mindless creation? Annoyance? Humor?

What is your purpose?

 

[Mary]

Oppose.

He said himself that he doesn't use spell check, because somethingsomethingidk.

 

[The Gopher]

*gets some milk for the puppy*
*pinches cheek*
You're a nice boy, sure I will.

Noooo... wait you already adopted me right?

Edit: the tide is turning against the French man

 

[Cegorach]

Language is put in place predominantly for the sake of enacting understanding between disparate parties and perspectives or interpretations, he may believe that others can understand him, and those others may believe that they can understand him as well, but rules in language attempt to remedy that with some degree of certainty even if they are still ambiguous at times; yet still, even in those cases, at very least the words can be understood as universally ambiguous in definition, rather than situationally and arbitrarily according to whim.
No amount of contemplation is going to overcome something of which has definitions reliant on the individual presenting it.

A major aspect of this forum revolves around communication, and when somebody like him who has or claims to have an ability to appropriately apply grammar and spelling refuses to on the basis of stubborness, laziness (etc), that only goes to show a massive lack of respect for the individuals of which are attempting to communicate with him, and a cease of any reason to continue residing in an environment that encourages communication between members.
The fact that it actually takes some show of force or threat of punishment for him to actually take responsibility or show respect does not reflect well on him either.

(This has been pointed out already, however.)


There's a major difference between creating a preference defined category (community) within a space of which does not impose on the real lives of others (a website) and cutting away inessential variables (specific people) who do not fit the goal, vision or requirements of which the category is designed for and that of imposing your desires on individuals in a space which does impose on their daily lives, their will, and quality of existence, especially without the slightest thought to probability guided impositions.
In other words, comparisons to Nazis are more than a little exaggerated and unreasonable, it's hardly a random witch hunt.

If people want to indulge in the joys of semi-non-discriminatory systems I suggest making a home on YouTube or /B/ on 4Chan, there individuals are left to largely unmoderated bullying, trolling and inter-member discrimination, which is really the closest you get to non-discriminatory beyond idealism.

Designing a semi-intellectual community that maintains respect between individuals and which realizes a certain level of quality is pretty fundamental as a concept, we're not really that terribly discriminatory.
Why should everybody be forced into groups that don't allow them to thrive or enjoy themselves consistently based on standardized rules simply because moderation of those rules is deemed "bad" or "unnecessary" by a few?
That's indirect imposition, by the nature of conflicting desires we are always going to be imposing on one another.

Besides, it's not like SpaceYeti (for example) is exactly liked by everybody in our "forum culture" or that his opinions are entirely "standard", they meet a lot of opposition, and yet he's still here because he puts effort into his posts and his thoughts and doesn't exactly attack individuals (even if he does attack their opinions and can glide along the thin line between respect and disrespect).

- - - - - - -

That isn't to say I personally have any intention of banning 'Holy shit that makes sens', nor that I am particularly annoyed by him, but I would have no problem were another Admin to make the decision to do so.
I hardly assume my perception of the situation is the conclusion of rationality in making such a decision.

Spoiler

Oh, and the first rule in our General Rules is after all:

1. Don't be a nuisance.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Thanks.

 

[EditorOne]

I'm mildly interested anyone is motivated to actual annoyance by the "sens person."

Annoyance is, if not an actual emotion, then first cousin to an emotion, and therefore not something most of us in here are known for wielding as an effective decision-making tool.

We have our limits. Knowing them is the key to sanity, I think.

How about a big "meh" and everybody but me goes to get a beer?

 

[Holy shit this makes sens]

Alright, despite finding it funny that i have a big thread all about mwahh.

Would it mean anything if i apologized for any offense or dis-respect that may of occured by my lack of proof reading?

I truly (full hearted) apologize, any dis-respect or aggravation that my lack of proof reading and grammer has brought about. I did not intend or forsee what would come as a result. And will try to improve.

 

[Melllvar]

Well in that case permit me the honor of a formal introduction...

http://www.99chan.in/

Herein you will discover an absolute Mecca for enthusiasts of the artistic style you earlier provided such fitting examples of.

Cautionary word of advice should you choose to explore... avoid /cute/ ...it isn't.

Well, of course I went straight to /cute/ and clicked on that.

It's kind of scary just how little that bothered me. Except for the ones of the animals. Apparently dead, tortured animals make me feel really bad and dead people are just kind of shrug worthy, maybe even interesting from an anatomical/physiological perspective.

Wow, so people don't mind when someone puts no effort into communicating in a manner that the people their addressing understand? It's not about conforming, it's about the very reason we speak in the first place, it's about making the attempt to say something in a way that what he's trying to communicate comes across, so that people actually understand what he's saying. If he happens to have an accent, or he likes to dress a certain way, or the other BS you said, he can't control that, he's still putting effort into being understood. This guy doesn't put any effort into being understood, nullifying the very idea of conversation in the first place!

Somehow I doubt this is really about the pointlessness of trying to communicate in a way that is (to some) incomprehensible (and let's be honest, what he writes isn't really that hard to understand, at least for a native english speaker), or that it's about some failure to show proper "respect." Humans are by nature elitist, exclusionary creatures who consistently come up with reasons to elevate themselves above each other, or form little groups and build solidarity by alienating outsiders. Differences are automatically to be feared and shunned. If it isn't like you, it's the Other, and must pose some kind of danger to you, or at least challenge your own little view of things. People develop their own styles in all sorts of things (not just writing) all the time, and it isn't in and of itself considered bad simply because they aren't being completely pragmatic and utilitarian in their interactions. It is almost always used as an excuse to deride and alienate them and try and suppress what they're doing in favor of forcing reality to fit a pre-existing worldview. You see this is in art all the time. Every new musical style, painting style, drawing style, medium for storytelling, etc. goes through this, with people trying to shun it as being nonsense or a danger to 'teh childrens' or 'disrespectful.' I suppose any point made about his writing style could be made about Jackson Pollock's artwork, and it's certainly not putting much effort into communicating any intended 'message', but only some fascist dipshit would talk about banning someone for trying to communicate it publicly.

(If someone wants to make the point that a random 16 year old posting on a forum isn't equivalent to great artists experimenting with new styles, I'd say that's a matter of numbers and perception, and every new trend or standard originally started as an outcast idea in the head of one person. In any case, what right does anyone else have to tell someone how they can and can't express themselves?)

So let's be honest, it isn't so much that he's actually being disrespectful, so much as that it makes people feel good to judge themselves as better than someone else based on arbitrary reasoning. Respect is just the excuse that commonly gets used, much as when someone demands you refer to them as Sir, or take your hat off in their presence, or obey some predefined dress code, simply because you think they should behave a certain way. I'm not really sure what anyone here has done to earn or demand respect from this particular member anyway (other than perhaps setting up the forum, more on that later) - it seems quite the opposite to me.

---------------------------

I do understand that someone, somewhere has to pay for and administrate this stuff, and in the end it's there decision who can and can't stay. It's certainly within their privilege to ban all redheads or outlaw the use of two syllable words on Wednesdays. I certainly don't envy any moderator who has to spend time dealing with threads like this, or read all the threads (even the ones they find boring as tears), or try and tell who's a troll and who's just an idiot or having a bad day. With respect to traditional property rights, whoever owns and runs this thing is certainly free to do whatever they fucking please.

On the other hand, it also calls itself INTPforum, which some might misinterpret to mean a place regarding INTPs, and not a private playground. It can be somewhat irking to see the same exclusionary elitism and narrow-mindedness representative of the broader human garbage pile to be exemplified by a place that seems to serve as one of the PR points for INTPs (let's face it, if you google the term this is one of the first places to pop up, and half the intro threads begin with something like, "I just found out I was INTP and now I'm here..."). Telling people to get lost and/or find a more inane community for themselves still sends a message about what (alleged) INTPs are like, and tells them that they aren't wanted among them (I recognize this may be the message some are trying to send).

Beyond that, there are plenty enough stories here from bitter people who have been kicked around and treated like dirt for having not fit in or "shown proper respect" to the more mainstream organisms. I expect the previously referred to human tendency for tribalist elitism and exclusion has caused it's far share of bitterness, hatred and malice throughout the centuries. Would it really be that hard to consider not just giving the next person a heartless kick out the door for some superficial difference, knowing that if you do you may just be disregarded as one more strike against the whole fucking worthless species? Not everyone who's bitter, hateful and apathetic was born that way, a good portion of them developed it through habitually being treated with callous indifference.
​

 

[Melllvar]

Alright, despite finding it funny that i have a big thread all about mwahh.

Would it mean anything if i apologized for any offense or dis-respect that may of occured by my lack of proof reading?

I truly (full hearted) apologize, any dis-respect or aggravation that my lack of proof reading and grammer has brought about. I did not intend or forsee what would come as a result. And will try to improve.

I think this whole thing results from larger divisions (in opinion and worldview) within the community. If it hadn't been you it would have just been catalyzed by someone else. In fact these kinds of discussions have been had several times before, and that's just since I've been reading (not very long in the grand scheme of this forum). I can only imagine the mods are sick to death of them.

 

[nexion]

Ah, let's face it. By and large, this forum is primarily for intellectuals who also happen to be outcasts of society. If you're not intellectual, then you are likely to get discriminated against by people here. I really don't want to accept it, but that is reality. Even INTPs have guidelines and rules, I suppose. Anything to keep some type of law and order.

EDIT: I am now not sure about this post.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Ah, let's face it. By and large, this forum is primarily for intellectuals who also happen to be outcasts of society. If you're not intellectual, then you are likely to get discriminated against by people here. I really don't want to accept it, but that is reality. Even INTPs have guidelines and rules, I suppose. Anything to keep some type of law and order.

Spoiler

Now we don't need to have any guidelines or rules.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

... I always think of poor literacy as the internet equivalent of smelling bad (non-native speakers and dyslexic people are excluded from that analogy). Apparently you think that respect is a one-way street. I agree that respecting people who are different is important but where is his respect for us, the rest of the forum?

This!

... A major aspect of this forum revolves around communication, and when somebody like him who has or claims to have an ability to appropriately apply grammar and spelling refuses to on the basis of stubborness, laziness (etc), that only goes to show a massive lack of respect for the individuals of which are attempting to communicate with him, and a cease of any reason to continue residing in an environment that encourages communication between members.
...

Ceg, good points. It is a matter of trying to have a common ground to communicate.

I am all for individuality! And I remember how it was to try to stubbornly make myself different not that long ago. There are creative ways to do this, but there are also a lot of easy & obtuse ways to be fiercely individualistic and different. In high school I grew my hair long and refused to join myspace. Sure, it gave me an individuality, but not joining myspace or livejournal communities actually ended up working against me. I was also not confident enough to rock the long hair, so it really just added more to my shyness.

I guess what I'm saying is: Do you want to be known as "the guy who purposefully throws spelling & grammar out the window"? I think you can do better than that.

Thank you for the apology Sens, although it really wasn't necessary, you see how many other members were ready to defend you.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[Holy shit this makes sens]

Great to be here

 

[SpaceYeti]

Alright, despite finding it funny that i have a big thread all about mwahh.

Would it mean anything if i apologized for any offense or dis-respect that may of occured by my lack of proof reading?

I truly (full hearted) apologize, any dis-respect or aggravation that my lack of proof reading and grammer has brought about. I did not intend or forsee what would come as a result. And will try to improve.

Thank you. All I ask is that you put effort into being understood by the people you're addressing. That's all. I didn't mean to make it seem I thought you were the equivalent of a juvenile delinquent, or something. It's a simple matter of putting effort into the things you do. The whole "If something's worth doing, it's worth doing right" thing. The purpose of communicating is to share an idea with someone, but sharing it in a way that makes it difficult to understand what you're trying to share simply because you're too lazy to do it in a way the person you're talking to understands irritates me.

Similarly, it bothers me when people address people they don't know and toss a lot of big words or uncommon idioms which few people actually understand into what they're saying just to sound smart or important. It's about communicating with your audience in a way that they actually understand what you're saying. If they don't get it, why did you waste your time saying it?

And, sure I usually understood what you meant, but your terrible grammar and spelling made it overly difficult and ambiguous, plus there were the few times I was honestly lost. So, yeah, as long as you try, I'm k. If you're just being lazy, why type at all?

Edit; And I never seriously advocated the enforced moderation of your posts. I assumed this whole thread was a joke. I didn't consider that an INTP would ever seriously advocate censorship.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Holy shit this makes sens for President.

 

[Anthile]

Actually, we couldn't censor things even if we wanted to. Censorship has to be regulated by law, otherwise it's not really censorship.
A lot of people think that just because there is such a thing as freedom of speech means that everyone else is obligated to listen to them. They are mistaken.

 

[AlisaD]

Not listening and not allowing people to speak are two very different things.

Also, I agree with everything Mellvar said.

Also, Goph, there's enough grandmaness for all, no need to worry.

 

[Solitaire U.]

Well, of course I went straight to /cute/ and clicked on that.

It's kind of scary just how little that bothered me. Except for the ones of the animals. Apparently dead, tortured animals make me feel really bad and dead people are just kind of shrug worthy, maybe even interesting from an anatomical/physiological perspective.

Yeah, seems a pretty common reaction in that particular forum. Still, it's kind of funny to see a guy post a dozen images of mutilated human corpses, then turn around and leave a comment about how he thinks the next guy deserves to have a bullet put through each kneecap and bleed to death slowly because he had the gall to post an image of his dead cat.

Concur in total with the remainder of your post, btw.

 

[Polaris]

Lol, Jenny and Bird:

 

[EditorOne]

"Similarly, it bothers me when people address people they don't know and toss a lot of big words or uncommon idioms which few people actually understand into what they're saying just to sound smart or important."

Speaking as a journalist, this is what some people do in order to NOT be understood while superficially appearing cooperative. Other people do it in order to exclude others from what they hope you think is a clique of insiders. Words don't always serve communication; sometimes they serve other purposes, frustrating to those of us who rely on words for communication.

And to be perfectly fair, some people don't even know they've left others behind with uncommon idioms. I had to ask what "taking the piss" was a few months ago, but I'm sure the Brits who were tossing that around had no intent to confuse anyone. Bits like that actually make this truly international forum of similar personalities a real delight. Speaking for myself, it's good to "get out" of the New Jersey context once in awhile.

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah I think people who use fancy words or strange words are not helping either. Get the message across as clear as possible. Also he seems to have taken the hint and started writing differently.

BTW I just discovered that Cegorach is even more awesome than I first thought.

 

[Mary]

Alright, despite finding it funny that i have a big thread all about mwahh.

Would it mean anything if i apologized for any offense or dis-respect that may of occured by my lack of proof reading?

I truly (full hearted) apologize, any dis-respect or aggravation that my lack of proof reading and grammer has brought about. I did not intend or forsee what would come as a result. And will try to improve.

If you do improve, I'm sure we'll have tons of fun. You do seem to have interesting ideas, it's just that your mode of communicating these ideas is, well, less pleasurable for the reader.

 

[SpaceYeti]

"Similarly, it bothers me when people address people they don't know and toss a lot of big words or uncommon idioms which few people actually understand into what they're saying just to sound smart or important."

Speaking as a journalist, this is what some people do in order to NOT be understood while superficially appearing cooperative. Other people do it in order to exclude others from what they hope you think is a clique of insiders. Words don't always serve communication; sometimes they serve other purposes, frustrating to those of us who rely on words for communication.

And to be perfectly fair, some people don't even know they've left others behind with uncommon idioms. I had to ask what "taking the piss" was a few months ago, but I'm sure the Brits who were tossing that around had no intent to confuse anyone. Bits like that actually make this truly international forum of similar personalities a real delight. Speaking for myself, it's good to "get out" of the New Jersey context once in awhile.

Which is simply immature, then. If you're hiding something, maybe you shouldn't be doing it.

And, yes, if it's an accident I don't mind.

 

[Jesse]

Watsup newbie. Nice to know your post created this deluge of excrement. Enjoy your stay and please think of the children.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Pffft, what'd the children do? Not shit. They get coal this year.

 

[Mello]

Guuuuuys, stop fighting.

 

[The Gopher]

I think they have. It's turned into a sort of oh well should we keep the thread alive?

 

[SpaceYeti]

We should keep your mom alive!

 

[The Gopher]

We should keep your mom alive!

That would be hard.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

You know that sound Kif makes whenever Zap (Zach?) Brannigan says something?

I just made that sound alot reading this thread.

You guys are all such fuckheads

Merry christmas fuckheads

Happy new year too

And if that's too bourgeois for you preening pretentious pranksters of practicality then

all you leave me with is calling you fuckheads

That doesn't seem very nice so just smile and humor me

Merry Christmas Fuckheads!

 

[Lobstrich]

This thread.

You gotta love the witchhunts.

Which hunts?


See what I did there?