Hola amigettes

[Mr Peabody]

Hello all,

As a current political science major who graduated from a junior college with a social behavioral sciences AA, I've always found this typology thing interesting. Anyways, I have joined this forum for a hopeful sense of fellowship with supposedly other like-minded people. So then, Hi.

Naturally, I am here because i share the same four letter acronym, though I will admit that my "thinking" preference is measured as a marginal preference, versus feeling (about a 55:45 split, give or take a 3 point margin of error)

I also like soap

Cheers

 

[k9b4]

is ur body actually a pea

 

[lightlazer]

Hi. What is that you like about political science? Tell us if you wish about your political views.

 

[Pyropyro]

Welcome

 

[computerhxr]

Welcome! Liberal poli-sci professors at 2 year colleges are the best!

Have you taken any philosophy classes? They get you to think about ethical questions. You explore your beliefs rather than assuming what you are told is true. This is something politics is missing. It has no soul or compassion.

Also, go sit in on public court cases. Sit outside the waiting rooms, and listen to their stories. Listen to what the public defenders tell them. It's really sad because it's always, "it's really messed up, and you're pretty much screwed" over things that aren't hurting anyone. Reform is a slow process, but the government needs new blood to take over for the next generation.

 

[Mr Peabody]

for sure dude! i've only taken ancient greek and roman philosophy at junior college, and an ancient western political thought at sdsu (which was pretty much the same class, but with a small twist.) that's as far as i went with a formal philosophy education, other then some books here and there. i would have to disagree with you on your conclusion of political sciences, at least in part. it can be as you described it, but there other subdivisions that have plenty of soul, imo. im just about to complete a 500 level politics of international law class, very thought provoking, and very philosophical. you would definitely enjoy it! much of the people of interest studied in the class have roots in the philosophers of the days or yore.


to answer the other guy's question, my views are pretty simple. systems themselves are not very important (but have some importance). it's really about the human element, and how we treat eachother. that being said, I personally vote for the most Libertarian of candidates in whatever election because, according to my own limited perspective, I think that's what we need "here." I hold many socialist values, but only in forms of voluntary association[for the most part], and driven by an individual sense of responsibility to one's fellow man, which of course, requires a strong moral fabric to function. Of course, government does have a role mobilizing resources for public goods, and acting as a buffer against other individuals who may infringe on other's liberty, but its bureaucratic nature consequently creates a banal "void" in which "evil things" can happen, a strange phenomena born from idleness, i don't know why, history shows that it just "happens" that way... now where the perfect balance is between authority and anarchy, i don't really know, only by the participation of various rational, good intended individuals and their respectful deliberations can that balance point be approximated. lbnl, too much consolidated power = bad things will eventually happen, blah, blah etc, etc. those are my views.

yes, my body is a pea.

 

[computerhxr]

for sure dude! i've only taken ancient greek and roman philosophy at junior college, and an ancient western political thought at sdsu (which was pretty much the same class, but with a small twist.) that's as far as i went with a formal philosophy education, other then some books here and there. i would have to disagree with you on your conclusion of political sciences, at least in part. it can be as you described it, but there other subdivisions that have plenty of soul, imo. im just about to complete a 500 level politics of international law class, very thought provoking, and very philosophical. you would definitely enjoy it! much of the people of interest studied in the class have roots in the philosophers of the days or yore.

There are many parts of the government that have soul, I agree. The spirit of the law vs. the law. The government itself is the law, and the spirit is free-will (or will of the people). I think of the government as a guide but in the end, I make the final decision. I totally agree that it is moving in a positive direction.

I just started learning about ancient Greek and Roman philosophy and history. It's fascinating stuff!

 

[Mr Peabody]

Ironically, I was referring to political science's theoretical, social science aspect. For example, a class i took last semester was about " blood and guts, lawyers, guns[military], and money. why do bad things happen?" gives you an idea of the fun! and then there's the other subdivisions, with classes like "supreme court cases" yeah it has some soul, but you[and most definitely the professor] gotta use a bit of imagination.

1.Theory
2. American Law/gov't and Politics
3. International Relations/law and Politics

1st = fun
the other two are "interesting"
some subdivisions overlap.

Anyways, I'm glad you are enjoying Greek/Roman. what's your current favorite read?

 

[computerhxr]

I think that we are looking at politics from different perspectives. There are many forms of government, and power so it's a hodgepodge. You obviously have way more intimate knowledge of government and politics, so I can trust your opinion. I am a hobbyist when it comes to politics.

I remember when supreme court justice Rehnquist refused to step down because he didn't want Bush(jr.) to dominate all three tiers of government. I hold a lot of respect for him based on that alone.

My favorite quote is from:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/cases/clcc.html?court=US&vol=378&invol=184

How do you know when something is obscene? "I know it when I see it."

I apply that philosophy to my own decision making. Many people will judge something based on what they think most people would agree on. So no one is making a decision based on actual utility.

Some parts of government are too ridged, and those are the parts that have no soul in my opinion. The dynamic and fluid parts have all the soul. I know it when I see it.

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My knowledge in Greek/Roman history is broad and without depth. It is relatively recent that I have been focusing my energy on the topics. I created a hypothesis or a model to describe reality, and I have been applying it to philosophy and mythology. Mythology in my opinion is just an abstract representation of reality that has been misinterpreted. Same with philosophy, the message changes as our interpretation of the meanings of words change over time. Religions are pretty much the same thing, just abstractions to explain reality to those who need a different model to explain things. Government again is the same thing, and abstract form that represents reality.

I guess I would fall into the "crazy conspiracy" category of interest, rather than the pre-interpreted category of interest. I know that it has nothing to do with a conspiracy, but somehow that is where I end up.

What about you? What is your favorite read?

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I'm not sure how you figured that I was not creative (or could be more creative). I create new ideas and products every day. I don't work a job where I follow a set of rules. I create the rules and allow them to change as I learn and dependent on the situation. I feel like this is how the US government is intended to run, but currently we have a bi-polar nation. It's changing as people learn that we have more in common with each other (thank YouTube and the internet for that).

I have strong opinions, but I am as fluid as water.

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I would be more interested in your views on government and politics since it is your field of interest. Most are uninterested in what I have to say because I have no "proof" for my ideas. So I don't really expect to find much overlap in the reverse direction.

 

[Mr Peabody]

sorry, i should clarify: I meant "you" in a general sense, not a personal sense. I'm saying it takes some creativity/imagination to see the soul in the harder forms of poly sci. you obviously see that, so i wasn't referring to "you", so to speak.

I'm quite partial to The Republic, for it's display of understanding human nature, and Meditations for personal growth, btw.

as far as justices go, i like Kennedy for his reasoning, and Scalia for his personality. Historically, i like Harlan for his boldness and integrity, his opinion is all the more striking with him being a southern man.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

what's your opinion about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Global_Trap
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[Mr Peabody]

Never hear of that book, but the description don't sound like place I'd want to go to for a vacation...

 

[BrainVessel]

yes, my body is a pea.

Prove it.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Never hear of that book, but the description don't sound like place I'd want to go to for a vacation...

You don't want to go for a vacation in globalization?
Could prove to be tough.

Maybe i'll try it with some keywords:
20/80 society,
tittytainment,
global brain trust,
precariatisation,
workforce casualisation

 

[Mr Peabody]

I'll say it again, doesn't sound like a place I'd want to go to for a vacation.


I can't prove that my body is a pea. 'tis a test of your faith....

 

[BrainVessel]

Show me a sign, O exalted One!

 

[Mr Peabody]

*sign*

 

[computerhxr]

sorry, i should clarify: I meant "you" in a general sense, not a personal sense. I'm saying it takes some creativity/imagination to see the soul in the harder forms of poly sci. you obviously see that, so i wasn't referring to "you", so to speak.

Me being a typical INTP and taking your words literally.