Have you ever been in a situation where you didn't know what to say?

[intpz]

At first, I thought that this is a movie thing, and perhaps a really rare occurrence, but now, with certain adjustments to the life of my family members, I've heard that in real life: "I don't know what to say" and "I don't know how to say it." So either my family is really strange or this does happen in real life more quite often.

Personally, I have never been in a situation where I didn't know what to say or how to say something. I have predicted the outcome of what I'm saying 99% of the time, even without knowing the person good. And I have been in real fucked up situations too, so "inexperience" is not a factor here.

What about you? What about others?

 

[PmjPmj]

Yeah - when I left your mum in bed this morning and she cried out "I love you!" as I was leaving.

That was tough, man. Real tough.

 

[intpz]

Yeah - when I left your mum in bed this morning and she cried out "I love you!" as I was leaving.

That was tough, man. Real tough.

You should move here: personalitycafe.com/isfp-forum-artists/


Your petty insults may get noticed kido.

 

[Vidi]

Never mind not knowing what to say, sometimes I even don't know what to think, and obscure F function doesn't help matters either.

 

[PmjPmj]

You should move here: personalitycafe.com/isfp-forum-artists/


Your petty insults may get noticed kido.

You just dignified me with sufficient attention to my "Petty insult", though.

Quite self defeating, aren't you?

 

[intpz]

Never mind not knowing what to say, sometimes I even don't know what to think, and obscure F function doesn't help matters either.

What do you mean? Could you give an example?

*Ignores pointless @PmjPmj's childish idiocy and hopes his all will get banned. *

 

[PmjPmj]

*Ignores pointless @PmjPmj's childish idiocy and hopes his all will get banned. *

Gee, that's a really effective method of ignoring someone! Not only mention them by name, but actually @mention them.

You're either stupendously inept, or actually a fairly effective (but shit) troll.

Only time will tell.

 

[Vidi]

What do you mean? Could you give an example?

My vagueness probably is too much even for the INTP forum, I thought I could get away with it here... The particular incident I had in mind when I posted my reply, happened to be quite personal.
That was a situation that left me a little stunned and not were I could answer in a pedestrian manner 'I will think about it.' I could see few outcomes and my F signaled me only that any of them were awkward and psychologically uncomfortable.

The primary cause of not knowing what to think arose because it concerned me personally and another specific person. It was akin to more values entering into an equation and contradictory values in addition. In general circumstances conflict wouldn't arise, because I have and know my reference point, yardstick and the set of values, the lot, but in that situation and all of the sudden another set had to be added and my own reconsidered. At that time on the top of everything I didn't know where to begin my thinking, when I was even uncertain about my own position in the matters. The only thing that was happening in my mind were contradictory thoughts colliding and invalidating each other, like a Big Bang, but without leaving a spare electron to chew on and build upon.

 

[Jennywocky]

Gee, that's a really effective method of ignoring someone! Not only mention them by name, but actually @mention them.

You're either stupendously inept, or actually a fairly effective (but shit) troll.

Only time will tell.

Regardless of whether I agree with you, you're the one in bed with his mother. That practically makes you both related.

At first, I thought that this is a movie thing, and perhaps a really rare occurrence, but now, with certain adjustments to the life of my family members, I've heard that in real life: "I don't know what to say" and "I don't know how to say it." So either my family is really strange or this does happen in real life more quite often.

Personally, I have never been in a situation where I didn't know what to say or how to say something. I have predicted the outcome of what I'm saying 99% of the time, even without knowing the person good. And I have been in real fucked up situations too, so "inexperience" is not a factor here.

Boy, you really have your life under control. One should be so lucky.


... anyway, to answer the question, I usually have some kind of idea about everything that comes up in my life, but it doesn't mean I know the best thing to say. Sometimes a situation is very very complicated, and the outcomes are very very important, and in those situations at best you're just taking your best guess at what the "best thing to say" is. If you haven't experienced that kind of complexity yet, either you're not seeing as much as you think you're seeing, or you're still in a period of life that isn't really that complicated.

 

[intpz]

... anyway, to answer the question, I usually have some kind of idea about everything that comes up in my life, but it doesn't mean I know the best thing to say. Sometimes a situation is very very complicated, and the outcomes are very very important, and in those situations at best you're just taking your best guess at what the "best thing to say" is. If you haven't experienced that kind of complexity yet, either you're not seeing as much as you think you're seeing, or you're still in a period of life that isn't really that complicated.

As I see it, every decision you make is the best guess; there always is a better solution, you just haven't thought of it yet. I always have something to say.

 

[Reluctantly]

At first, I thought that this is a movie thing, and perhaps a really rare occurrence, but now, with certain adjustments to the life of my family members, I've heard that in real life: "I don't know what to say" and "I don't know how to say it." So either my family is really strange or this does happen in real life more quite often.

Personally, I have never been in a situation where I didn't know what to say or how to say something. I have predicted the outcome of what I'm saying 99% of the time, even without knowing the person good. And I have been in real fucked up situations too, so "inexperience" is not a factor here.

What about you? What about others?

It's because it has little to do with predicting the outcome of your actions and everything to do with holding a firm judgment about something.

Questions:
"Did you like the movie?"
"Are you happy?"
"How was your day?"
"Are you angry?"
"Did you enjoy the game?"
"Are you sad?"
"How do you feel?"
"What do you want?"
etc.

INTP thinks about what that means, realizes how ambiguous the questions are - how each question varies upon what you focus on over a period of time, how you view that focus with some comparative judgment, how many people's judgments are often times not mutually exclusive with other judgments as they claim, that with more information the comparisons change and can even be reversed, etc.

You have this type of cognitive occurrence? If yes, do you think this sort of thing is what they might be referring to?

 

[intpz]

It's because it has little to do with predicting the outcome of your actions and everything to do with holding a firm judgment about something.

Questions:
"Did you like the movie?"
"Are you happy?"
"How was your day?"
"Are you angry?"
"Did you enjoy the game?"
"Are you sad?"
"How do you feel?"
"What do you want?"
etc.

INTP thinks about what that means, realizes how ambiguous the questions are - how each question varies upon what you focus on over a period of time, how you view that focus with some comparative judgment, how many people's judgments are often times not mutually exclusive with other judgments as they claim, that with more information the comparisons change and can even be reversed, etc.

You have this type of cognitive occurrence? If yes, do you think this sort of thing is what they might be referring to?

No and no. Even so, I'm not what they are referring to. Maybe they are afraid of the high likelihood of a strong emotional impact in the end.

Do you really think what it means when asked a question like that? That sounds like meaningless deep over-thinking to me... I don't do it, I just shoot a straight answer or bullshit people if I don't want to answer that question. However I never think what it means.

 

[Reluctantly]

Do you really think what it means when asked a question like that? That sounds like meaningless deep over-thinking to me... I don't do it, I just shoot a straight answer or bullshit people if I don't want to answer that question. However I never think what it means.

Yeah, I do, because I want to be honest and fair. And then I end up screwing myself by getting confused. I'm usually more comfortable if someone takes the lead anyway, while not forcing me to make up my mind. I guess it's like the middle road between someone giving me an answer to those questions and coming up with them on my own.

Anyway, I don't to derail then. Just thought I'd ask. It probably is over-thinking if the aim of answering is to blend in. But acting does get kind of tiring/annoying after awhile.

 

[intpz]

Yeah, I do, because I want to be honest and fair. And then I end up screwing myself by getting confused. I'm usually more comfortable if someone takes the lead anyway, while not forcing me to make up my mind. I guess it's like the middle road between someone giving me an answer to those questions and coming up with them on my own.

Anyway, I don't to derail then. Just thought I'd ask. It probably is over-thinking if the aim of answering is to blend in. But acting does get kind of tiring/annoying after awhile.

You can always do what I do - give confusing answers; after a while people realize that you don't want to be asked that shit. Or use any other tactic to avoid those questions in the future. Most people ask them just to ask anyway, and if they don't, let them make up their own minds by CONVERSING with you. Most people bullshit others when answering these questions anyway.

If your aim is to blend in, I don't see how you could over-think that either.