Hardcore Pornography Sub-forum?

[Jennywocky]

Umm.... I, uh, think we've, uh, picked a winner!

That can't be real. it just can't.
But i fear it is.

 

[redbaron]

That guy is fucked in the head!

 

[Rook]

Clothes have come about for one reason only- survival. Look at tribes in temperate zones(Amazon, Indonesia, Sub-Saharan Africa) They wear minimal, or no, clothes. Clothes only served purpose in the desert and cold regions. The only reason clothes are now so important, is that the people of deserts/ sub artic regions have become the power holders, and have imposed this practice on others (ancient Egypt, European countries, China etc.) The only reason for us to wear clothes is for survival purposes, so there's no moral reason why we can't let it all hang out. Sexual tension may then be lessened, but the world population may also soar. It will aslo then give one incentive to stay fit, because who would want the world to see their rolls of fat on a permanent basis? (This may be the diet/gym regime that I need)

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

^If everyone walked around naked, boobs, dicks and other body parts would be as natural as noses and fingers. Perhaps we should experiment: cover up fingers and noses and see if big industry starts to speculate on finger/nose hardcore 'porn'

Gawd...

Reminds me a bit of this (NSFW):

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjlq92tQHVk

Jesus Christ, stop toying with us and post the wild donkey dick pics already!

See what you started because you don't maintain at least 27 tabs of teh pron within any given browser window?

Clothes have come about for one reason only- survival.

Don't forget about symbolism and mate attraction too...

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[Rook]

@THD But did clothes, needed for survival, not morph into those uses? They did not originate for mate attraction and symbolism, they where tweaked towards it.

 

[NoID10ts]

The thread seemed to start as a joke, until Brother Wassisname pulled up a soapbox and started preaching.

Then one kind of joke became a different kind of joke. If it's anything at all, the forum is adaptable.

I love how you use the word "seemed." You can never quite tell with me, can you?

Anyway, this forum seems to have grown a new Blob. Here's some softcore raccoon porn for our resident proctologist.

[BIMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-875Ex8OOfGQ/UAs85ueNY6I/AAAAAAAAIDA/lrRqGLPNDlQ/s1600/Racoon_2.jpg[/BIMG]

 

[Jennywocky]

I love how you use the word "seemed." You can never quite tell with me, can you?

On this forum, I've learned to keep my options open regardless of who it is.

Anyway, this forum seems to have grown a new Blob. Here's some softcore raccoon porn for our resident proctologist.

I do think it's a unique selling point. I can't find authentic, intimate furry mammal shenanigans on other type forums; it's usually just nutjobs in furry suits.

PS. You know that pic was NFSFW, right? AUUUGGGGG...!

 

[Cognisant]

It's strange, there's fine food/drink, wonderful music, beautiful paintings and the discussion of cooking/playing/painting such things is all very intellectual, y'know why is a painting beautiful, why do we enjoy music, why are certain combinations of flavor pleasing while others aren't?

But we can't converse about sex, well technically we can as I am doing now but this is all very abstract, I'm not talking about how this or that makes me feel, which is unfortunate, but not half as unfortunate as when you can't have this conversation with someone with whom you're actually having sex.

Because imho NOTHING is more arousing than knowing what turns your partner on, in the direct physical sense, not the roleplay fantasy sense, that can be weird

 

[The Introvert]

This is a touchy issue.

I can agree with points either side makes (whole forum vs. House).

On the one hand, pornography can be appreciated if done tactfully. Generally speaking, "hardcore pornography" would rarely fall into this category. To me, it's one thing to exemplify the beauty of the human body through nude photography/ videos, what have you. It's another to expose everything, like we would document other organisms doing.

I think it's just an issue of the human superiority complex. Those that think we've descended from the heavens and need to purify ourselves probably have a reaction similar to Houses (not trying to start anything here, just generalizing) whereas those that think humans are no different than any other animal (or have just grown up watching significant amounts of porn) probably have no problem watching whatever bile teh interwebz can concoct.

I'm a college student, early 20's and I can say with a straight face that much pornography both intrigues and disgusts me, and 99.9% of porn labelled "hardcore" does as well. This isn't to say my beliefs are any more significant than anyone else's but for the .02 anyway...

In short, I wouldn't be opposed to a pornography subforum, so long as the content within was:
-legal
-respectful
-"artistic" (in that you can appreciate the beauty of a naked body and not just have people fucking)

With these parameters and careful moderation, I think it would be acceptable. I doubt it could be accomplished with the various amount of opinions here, and frankly, if this forum decided to allow porn and it descends into an archive of porn, porn, and more porn, I won't be frequenting here any longer.

 

[Minuend]

Most porn is terrible, yes. I think one of the major reasons for that is that it's still frowned upon by the majority. Yes, even if people watch it, if asked they will most likely talk around it and not be willing to explore the topic much. Because the overall perspective on porn is ..well. Let's put it this way. I assume it was more "shameful" in the past, which means it took a certain type of person to make it. Which means a certain type of porn would be more frequent. This might create a chain reaction where the newer porn believes that the old stuff is what people like and want, but in reality it has been the only option.

If sex wasn't such a shameful thing, watching porn might have become more like watching a normal movie, meaning better quality and more varied.

Though, I've never really bought a porn movie, so there might be some companies that have a reputation for being high quality. But it doesn't seem to be the norm.

I'm a bit messy in my head today, so my posts today.. meh

 

[crippli]

Everyone. Sing with me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa5Xe4fup74

 

[Jennywocky]

Well, if we're going to actually discuss porn (now look at what you've driven me to!):

- I don't really have an issue with porn in general... except that much of it seems laughable at best, and like eating face-first out of a gutter without a bib at worst.

- No, I've only watched porn on occasion. I can't even say I'm very sexual, outside the confines of a relationship. (i.e., if I'm not with someone, where sex thus is prone to come up and where I'm into it, I kind of even forget about it for days/weeks.)

- Does a typology site need porn? I figure there are many more dedicated sites out there where you can find more variety and better quality, so why post it here? And we also have age limitations. I really just thought the whole thing was a joke, wasn't it?

- Introvert, I do think you made an interesting distinction in one's philosophy of humanity -- are we special creatures carried to earth by flocks of angels and needing to somehow remain unsullied, or are we just one type of species on this planet and sex is something like eating or sleeping -- a reality of tangible physical life and not something that is inherently taboo or tarnishing?

- I'll be honest, I find audio tracks more sexy than any visual. I don't understand people who can just watch video with no sound; if I had to choose, I'd turn off the visual. When people really desire each other, the sound gives it away. Much porn seems to be boring, like eating because it's time for lunch, versus actually wanting to. I don't know how people can stand it sometimes, from that particular angle.

All that being said, why can't we get back to what's really important here?

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[Polaris]

^Dang Jenny, now I've developed a raccoon-fetish

 

[The Introvert]

Yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure this was a joke thread anyway, but there was room for a reasonable response either way.

 

[Jennywocky]

^Dang Jenny, now I've developed a raccoon-fetish

You say "fetish" like it's a dirty word.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Here's some softcore raccoon porn for our resident proctologist.

[BIMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-875Ex8OOfGQ/UAs85ueNY6I/AAAAAAAAIDA/lrRqGLPNDlQ/s1600/Racoon_2.jpg[/BIMG]

Soft porn/teaser:

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Appendage-enhancement/cover up:

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Hardcore (warning: not for the faint-hearted):

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Don't be so upset!

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Speaking of creepy rabbits...

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[BigApplePi]

Has anyone bothered to DEFINE pornography ... in case I missed it? Otherwise how can we do justice to talking about what we don't know what is or is mislabeled? Come on. INTPs demand definition.

Is there such a thing as "fine pornography" as there is with fine art? Or is "pornography" one of those experiential concepts, not deserving of abstract conceptualization status? Not sure I'm getting across, but take a word like "fabulous" as used today. This is an experiential word, changing with fashion. It doesn't appear to have an abstract definition, but I could be wrong.

 

[Wolf18]

Oh no you don't: this thread isn't about me. Its about a bunch of awkward, lonely racoons wanting all access hardcore porn in their solitary confinement. When in fact, if they had a real pair of stones and a brain they'd realize that their cage has no lock and they can leave at any time, better themselves such that they might be attractive to a potential mate, find that special raccoon, work 'hard' at winning him/ her over, commit, settle down and get the real thing anytime they want. (instead of spending another day/ another night feverishly hopelessly investing in another round of masturbation to ward off the loneliness)

Now that takes imagination and stamina.

I concur with House. I think that people need to decide whether they're looking for pure physical pleasure, or a relationship and an emotional/intellectual bond as well. If you are looking for pure physical pleasure, then watch all the porn you want, I suppose. However, I suspect that most people are looking for something more. Porn won't help you find a partner, just like (sorry, back to the raccoons) masturbation won't help the raccoon find a mate.

On a side note (regarding that raccoon), people tend to laugh at things they're uncomfortable with. To quote Churchill (who may not be popular with everyone here, sorry): A joke is a very serious thing. People don't laugh at things because they're funny – funny doesn't exist. I see humour as a cover-up for negative emotions.

@BAP, I understand porn to be pictures/videos of people having sex. However, I do not actually know. Does my definition work?
@Introvert, your point is interesting, but I'd separate porn and nude art. I think that their purposes are different. I could be wrong, but I don't see anything intellectual about sex.

I'm not trying to preach and I fully admit that I know very little about this subject and am a bit out of my league. If it makes any difference, it seems that many people think this debate is whole forum:1. It's not, which is why I think it is so important for the few of us who are against the idea to listen to everyone else, and vice versa.

SW

 

[Minuend]

I concur with House. I think that people need to decide whether they're looking for pure physical pleasure, or a relationship and an emotional/intellectual bond as well. If you are looking for pure physical pleasure, then watch all the porn you want, I suppose. However, I suspect that most people are looking for something more. Porn won't help you find a partner, just like (sorry, back to the raccoons) masturbation won't help the raccoon find a mate.

 

[Jennywocky]

Just to be clear, I considered this thread to begin as a joke, and I have no idea why everyone is getting so serious about it that they need to actually say, "I'm trying not to sound preachy."



Does anyone actually think it's preferable to live in a closet, watch porn 24/7, and never have a relationship with another person? The extremity of some of these positions is absurd.

 

[Latte]

I concur with House. I think that people need to decide whether they're looking for pure physical pleasure, or a relationship and an emotional/intellectual bond as well. If you are looking for pure physical pleasure, then watch all the porn you want, I suppose. However, I suspect that most people are looking for something more. Porn won't help you find a partner, just like (sorry, back to the raccoons) masturbation won't help the raccoon find a mate.

On a side note (regarding that raccoon), people tend to laugh at things they're uncomfortable with. To quote Churchill (who may not be popular with everyone here, sorry): A joke is a very serious thing. People don't laugh at things because they're funny – funny doesn't exist. I see humour as a cover-up for negative emotions.

@BAP, I understand porn to be pictures/videos of people having sex. However, I do not actually know. Does my definition work?
@Introvert, your point is interesting, but I'd separate porn and nude art. I think that their purposes are different. I could be wrong, but I don't see anything intellectual about sex.

I'm not trying to preach and I fully admit that I know very little about this subject and am a bit out of my league. If it makes any difference, it seems that many people think this debate is whole forum:1. It's not, which is why I think it is so important for the few of us who are against the idea to listen to everyone else, and vice versa.

SW

Regarding being and finding things funny, I concur, it must be a phenomena that only occurs for this one single reason. I am not going to think back and look for contradictory evidence or attempt to simulate hypothetical scenarios where it might not be so because I have observed that people do it to deflect or cover up negative emotions so that must be the general reason.

Secondly, I concur that pornograpy cannot be nude art because even though through its very medium and the techniques and choices one can involve in making it are pretty much like the choices one will face with other art, pornography is for a single reason, which is to masturbate to and this fact makes any aspect of it that is completely analogous to other things I would call art entirely void.

Thirdly, while some might claim that there is a host of feelings, thought and human interaction that can be studied, felt and which one can in some way derive understanding and ideas from in Keanu Reeves movies pornography and that just like with other works its merit in this respect would largely depend on the quality of the various things that went into making it like the acting, the set, the camera work, the directing, the editing and so on... I'd say that's really not the case because it's purpose is just to get off to.

 

[redbaron]

Does anyone actually think it's preferable to live in a closet, watch porn 24/7, and never have a relationship with another person? The extremity of some of these positions is absurd.

People blowing things out of proportion? That never happens ever on this forum.

I think you need to tone down these vile and baseless accusations that clearly show that you think everyone other than you is an absurd idiot with a wooden leg and a potato brain. Based on this previous post of yours it's obvious you run some sort of kidnapping-extortion ring (or worse), and that you are most definitely a sociopath who hurts small children.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Just to be clear, I considered this thread to begin as a joke, and I have no idea why everyone is getting so serious about it that they need to actually say, "I'm trying not to sound preachy."

^

 

[Hawkeye]

I'm more a fan of softcore.

 

[OldCoyote]

On a side note (regarding that raccoon), people tend to laugh at things they're uncomfortable with. To quote Churchill (who may not be popular with everyone here, sorry): A joke is a very serious thing. People don't laugh at things because they're funny – funny doesn't exist. I see humour as a cover-up for negative emotions.

It actually goes:

Great use they have, when in the hands
Of one like me, who understands,
Who understands the time and place,
The person, manner, and the grace,
Which fools neglect; so that we find,
If all the requisites are join'd,
From whence a perfect joke must spring,
A joke's a very serious thing.

~ Charles Churchill, from “The Ghost” (book IV, lines 1379-1387), 1762

He takes his jokes seriously, so don't fuck up his jokes quote...

 

[Jennywocky]

I think you need to tone down these vile and baseless accusations that clearly show that you think everyone other than you is an absurd idiot with a wooden leg and a potato brain. Based on this previous post of yours it's obvious you run some sort of kidnapping-extortion ring (or worse), and that you are most definitely a sociopath who hurts small children.

you.... you promised you wouldn't tell!

 

[Thurlor]

Once again we have a bunch of people thinking they have a right to tell others what is and isn't a correct form of sexual expression or pleasure.

I wonder how many people against porn are also against things like;
- Gay Marriage
- Polygamy
- Open relationships

Most people that seem to react negatively towards porn also seem to believe participation in it's viewing will be mandatory. If not, then I can't fathom why they feel they should be involved.

 

[The Introvert]

Just to be clear, I considered this thread to begin as a joke, and I have no idea why everyone is getting so serious about it that they need to actually say, "I'm trying not to sound preachy."



Does anyone actually think it's preferable to live in a closet, watch porn 24/7, and never have a relationship with another person? The extremity of some of these positions is absurd.

It really makes you scratch your head, doesn't it?

Once again we have a bunch of people thinking they have a right to tell others what is and isn't a correct form of sexual expression or pleasure.

I wonder how many people against porn are also against things like;
- Gay Marriage
- Polygamy
- Open relationships

Most people that seem to react negatively towards porn also seem to believe participation in it's viewing will be mandatory. If not, then I can't fathom why they feel they should be involved.

When the question is poised towards the forumites, opinions are expected to be revealed. We're giving opinions because opinions were questioned. If people are offended by what others think is or isn't inappropriate, then they shouldn't have come to this thread.

Take your self-righteous apathetic view or whatever the hell you want to call it and kindly leave.

Just kidding, but seriously. You're being a douche.

 

[BigApplePi]

Okay. Just because some wish to play this thread for snickerage, doesn't mean others can't take it for deadly seriosity.

I want to know if hardcore pornography can be fine art because if it can, I want to sit down in a comfortable chair to appreciate it. The rest of you philistines can turn up your noses and stick their fingers where they don't regularly go.

 

[BigApplePi]

Once again we have a bunch of people thinking they have a right to tell others what is and isn't a correct form of sexual expression or pleasure.

Thurlor. Different strokes for different folks?

 

[Thurlor]

Thurlor. Different strokes for different folks?

Exactly my point.

I wouldn't consider involving myself in their close-minded sex lives. Why would they feel the need to involve themselves in the open-minded sex lives of others?

Why even point this out to ME?

 

[Thurlor]

@ The Introvert

I believe the question posed was 'Should there be a Hardcore Porn Sub Forum?' not 'Is pornography (and masturbation) a 'good' thing?'

Besides which I haven't been offended by anything I've read on this entire site so far.

I take it you support a Hardcore Porn sub forum.

If people are offended by what others think is or isn't inappropriate, then they shouldn't have come to this thread.

Replace 'thread' with 'Hardcore Pornography sub forum'.

 

[Thurlor]

@ The Introvert

How was I 'being a douche'? I'd just like to know so as I can avoid doing so again.

 

[redbaron]

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

ITT Noddy shows he's still got it...

I fully admit that I know very little about this subject

http://lmgtfy.com/

Does anyone actually think it's preferable to live in a closet, watch porn 24/7, and never have a relationship with another person?

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Secondly, I concur

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc80tFJpTuo

 

[NoID10ts]

If prostitution is illegal and porn is legal, does that mean I can pick up a prostitute legally as long as I videotape it?

I just want to be clear on the laws before I get myself into trouble.

 

[crippli]

I want to know if hardcore pornography can be fine art because if it can, I want to sit down in a comfortable chair to appreciate it.

Fine art is fine art. Erotica is erotica. Hardcore porn is hardcore porn.

Not sure what is the point of mixing up labels. All these are clearly defined. So confusion should be avoidable. Unless we need to redefine things?

Ex-If a picture of two people penetrating each other is fine art, you can post it all over the forum. As long as it's relatively in context. No rules are broken. The only issue is if someone will not be able to recognizance it as fine art. This is a judgment you must decide.

It's the same with a personal attack. It's not allowed, But can still be accepted if that is not it's main aspect.

So since fine art is your preference. You are not affected by the hardcore porn ban. You can post fine art everywhere.

 

[Absurdity]

Ex-If a picture of two people penetrating each other is fine art, you can post it all over the forum.

Er, no, no you can't.

Legal reasons folks. Feel free to wax philosophic (erotic?), but no images, links, videos, etc.

 

[crippli]

Er, no, no you can't.

Legal reasons folks. Feel free to wax philosophic (erotic?), but no images, links, videos, etc.

I read that. And agree, sort of. I generally take more issue with violence then sex though. That is different subject.

My point is imo not countered. If it is fine art(my ex), it is not affected by that post and should not be judged as pornography.

Here is an example.

This is secondary hardcore porn. But it's not its main aspect, and therefor is allowed. Swapping these two out with humans, would not change it much. For all I know it could be two humans in costumes.

Or did I not understand this properly?

 

[Absurdity]

My point is imo not countered. If it is fine art(my ex), it is not affected by that post and should not be judged as pornography.

Here is an example.

This is secondary hardcore porn. But it's not its main aspect, and therefor is allowed. Swapping these two out with humans, would not change it much. For all I know it could be two humans in costumes.

Or did I not understand this properly?

Well because this is a legal issue and not a matter of the site owner or staff's morals it isn't really something that can be debated. Anything that could be construed as porn will be removed at moderator discretion. Calling it art won't change much.

And two stuffed animals humping isn't even remotely close to porn. You could easily show that on daytime television in the States. In fact that might a good rule of thumb...

 

[Jennywocky]

This is secondary hardcore porn. But it's not its main aspect, and therefor is allowed. Swapping these two out with humans, would not change it much. For all I know it could be two humans in costumes.

Yes. Very tiny humans.

Anyway, apparently they are fertile:

 

[Hawkeye]

And two stuffed animals humping isn't even remotely close to porn. You could easily show that on daytime television in the States. In fact that might a good rule of thumb...

Actually you can't. It is classed as pornography and is the precise reason you don't see it in kids cartoons...

 

[Absurdity]

Actually you can't. It is classed as pornography and is the precise reason you don't see it in kids cartoons...

Well then rejoice everyone, the forum is more permissive than television.

 

[Cavallier]

Actually you can't. It is classed as pornography and is the precise reason you don't see it in kids cartoons...

But you could show it if they were instead beating the crap out of each other...and frankly, that is downright depressing.

Maybe not on children's shows specifically but you could just about everywhere else.

 

[Hawkeye]

But you could show it if they were instead beating the crap out of each other...and frankly, that is downright depressing.

Maybe not on children's shows specifically but you could just about everywhere else.

I have yet to see sexual activity other than literally "Discovery Channel" style on tv before the watershed (or during safe harbor hours for all you Americans out there) and even that is a rarity and very, very brief when shown.

The same goes with graphic violence (even Tom and Jerry has been dumbed down). Programs that contain adult themes during daytime hours are restricted by PIN locks for example.

 

[BigApplePi]

But you could show it if they were instead beating the crap out of each other...and frankly, that is downright depressing.

So how do we answer the Q: Why is violence so much allowed while hardcore "pornography" is equally disallowed? Somehow saying the USA carries the traditions of the wild west combined with the puritanical puritanism of the Puritans doesn't seem enough.

 

[Thurlor]

@ BAP

The reasoning that I hear the most often would be something like;

"The nudity and sex is real but the violence is artificial".

I don't believe the above is the actual reason or even a valid reason but it's what I hear.

In terms of evolutionary psychology (as I understand it) it sort of makes sense that porn is more likely to be demonized or legislated against than violence.

 

[BigApplePi]

@ BAP

The reasoning that I hear the most often would be something like;

"The nudity and sex is real but the violence is artificial".

I don't believe the above is the actual reason or even a valid reason but it's what I hear.

In terms of evolutionary psychology (as I understand it) it sort of makes sense that porn is more likely to be demonized or legislated against than violence.

I agree but am not sure how evolution would work. Pornography is an insult to the individual psyche while violence is an insult to the individual body. So why not treat them the same, censorship or no censorship?

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Overall what I am given to observe, generally speaking, from the 30/20 somethings and younger (their zeitgeist/ specifically not necessarily just this thread of course) is:

I'm still searching for the meaning of my sexuality. I haven't found it yet but for now I am going to keep exploring...

The parents and grandparents of the present generation get the FAIL OF THE CENTURY AWARD. And not just in the category of sexuality, either. They pretty much make a clean sweep of all the LOSER awards of the century in all categories.

To be clear: generally, I do not blame the early 30-20 something year olds-teens of today. It is unreasonable to demand responsibility in such matters if the opportunity to receive knowledge and wisdom was never given.

I don't know if the vacuum of space is less vast than the vacuum of morality/ common sense/ what is generally right v wrong left by the preceding 1 or 2 generations.

Brittney Spears, Christina Aguleria, Paris Hilton & Miley Cyrus.

Madonna is the epitomy of the classic whore queen leading the charge into the gutter and corresponding perpetual vertigo of the masses.

 

[Wolf18]

It actually goes:





He takes his jokes seriously, so don't fuck up his jokes quote...

Apologies, my mistake. I thought I might have been misquoting, but I wasn't sure. I first saw it attributed to, simply, "Churchill."
@Cavallier, interesting point. Maybe part of the problem with censorship is defining the "line." No one will ever be able to agree on one.

SW