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Hello, INTP's, my name is Matt, however, you can call me "Count Dusseldorf".
I've been a lurker here for a while and finally decided to join, to, perhaps, partake in some interesting discussion.
 

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Welcome, welcome.
May you have many entertainig partakings.
 

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Welcome Count Dusseldorf! :)

What are your top interests as an INTP?

Well, I'm currently working on getting my gaming PC built, I'm also about to graduate from college and become an electronics technician. With that said, I'm also building a power supply for an electronics lab, so I guess you could say computers and electronics are an interest of mine.
Also, I play a lot of grand strategy games. (think total war, command and conquer, etc...) so I guess you could say gaming is an interest as well.
 

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Well, I'm currently working on getting my gaming PC built, I'm also about to graduate from college and become an electronics technician. With that said, I'm also building a power supply for an electronics lab, so I guess you could say computers and electronics are an interest of mine.
Also, I play a lot of grand strategy games. (think total war, command and conquer, etc...) so I guess you could say gaming is an interest as well.

Darn, nothing you said is interesting to me in the slightest. :confused:
 

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Also, I play a lot of grand strategy games. (think total war, command and conquer, etc...) so I guess you could say gaming is an interest as well.

What's your main strategy? Building cheap units and overwhelm the enemy or build expensive, high-tier ones and take out your enemies bases one by one?

I'm more of the second type but with more "steal your unit/tech" thrown in.
 

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Darn, nothing you said is interesting to me in the slightest. :confused:
OK. Well, what are you interested in?


What's your main strategy? Building cheap units and overwhelm the enemy or build expensive, high-tier ones and take out your enemies bases one by one?

I'm more of the second type but with more "steal your unit/tech" thrown in.

It really depends on my economic situation, lately, I've been playing empire total war with imperial splendour, the units in that game are quite expensive. (think 1500 to 2500 per unit) So my armies usually consist of lower and medium quality infantry. (lines, irregulars, and maybe the occasional elite.)
 

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Well, I'm currently working on getting my gaming PC built, I'm also about to graduate from college and become an electronics technician. With that said, I'm also building a power supply for an electronics lab, so I guess you could say computers and electronics are an interest of mine.
Also, I play a lot of grand strategy games. (think total war, command and conquer, etc...) so I guess you could say gaming is an interest as well.

Distant Worlds: Universe?

Possibly the greatest INTP strategy game ever.
 

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Distant Worlds: Universe?

Possibly the greatest INTP strategy game ever.
I've always found physics fascinating, I probably have about 200 pages worth of notes, however, I haven't studied physics (in depth) in a long time, so I'm not sure how qualified I'd be to talk about it.
At this point, I'd have more questions, then I would answers.

For example, I have always wondered why, time slows down around a large object of mass. I suppose that would mean that things are changing at a slower rate around that particular object. (take the sun for example) however, chemically speaking, within the sun itself, there is a lot "change" going on, at least at a molecular level. Also, I'm almost certain, that time doesn't exist on an atomic level, I've always wondered why that is exactly...

With that said, if one was to surpass the speed of light, I know time would stop, however, hypothetically speaking, could an object (take a particle for example) exist that moves backwards in time? if it were, hypothetically, moving faster than the speed of light? would this fall under the category of (undetectable) dark matter?

Like I said, I have more questions than answers, so I'm not really an expert on the subject, so I don't really know how qualified I am to talk about it. These questions might even seem obvious, or dumb to my fellow INTP's, but they are still things I wonder about...
 

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Physics is entrancing, especially as one delves deeper into it mathematically.
The questions you posed above are interesting, though I am far from capable to answer them.

Dark matter being particles that move faster than the speed of light?
Now that's a theory worth investigating.

Gaming-wise, have you ever played dwarf fortress?
I've come to like it, and would suggest it to someone who likes complex games that require comprehensive planning and know-how.
 

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Physics is entrancing, especially as one delves deeper into it mathematically.
The questions you posed above are interesting, though I am far from capable to answer them.

Dark matter being particles that move faster than the speed of light?
Now that's a theory worth investigating.

Gaming-wise, have you ever played dwarf fortress?
I've come to like it, and would suggest it to someone who likes complex games that require comprehensive planning and know-how.

I haven't, is it fun?
Edit* Also, Is it similar to games like civilization? I'm also assuming that it's a strategy game?
 

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It's somewhat unique, not like civilization or total war.
Difficult to place in a specific genre, just have a look though.
Some like it, some despise it.
 

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Sort of. It's a strategy game/city building sim. You are the invisible all-seeing god-king of the Dwarves, and you order them to carry out the tasks necessary to not die, such as build defenses, farm food, and brew booze.
 

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OK. Well, what are you interested in?

Well, I'm an an engineer by profession so I have little interest in spending my free time with computer related topics. Abstractly, maybe.

I like systems, ideas, and abstractions. Fibonacci is something that I am particularly interested in. Texas Hold'em Poker, the stock market, aggregate analysis, decision modeling, operational efficiency and effectiveness, philosophy, and psychology. With psychology, I particularly am interested in sociology. With philosophy, I am particularly interested in epistemology and abstract ideas. To me, most of these interests are highly correlated.

Anything spark your interest?
 

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For example, I have always wondered why, time slows down around a large object of mass. I suppose that would mean that things are changing at a slower rate around that particular object. (take the sun for example) however, chemically speaking, within the sun itself, there is a lot "change" going on, at least at a molecular level. Also, I'm almost certain, that time doesn't exist on an atomic level, I've always wondered why that is exactly...

I believe time and perception of time has to do with relativity and mass. Like when you watch the movie ants, and the person from the ants point of view is walking super slow. If they showed this from our perception of time, it would look fake and cause cognitive dissonance. We have an innate understanding of this which is why it's natural to slow large characters down in cartoons. Now imagine that we are talking about planets that are extremely large relative to our own size and perception of time...
 

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Sort of. It's a strategy game/city building sim. You are the invisible all-seeing god-king of the Dwarves, and you order them to carry out the tasks necessary to not die, such as build defenses, farm food, and brew booze.

Sounds pretty cool, I'll have to give it a try.

Well, I'm an an engineer by profession so I have little interest in spending my free time with computer related topics. Abstractly, maybe.

I like systems, ideas, and abstractions. Fibonacci is something that I am particularly interested in. Texas Hold'em Poker, the stock market, aggregate analysis, decision modeling, operational efficiency and effectiveness, philosophy, and psychology. With psychology, I particularly am interested in sociology. With philosophy, I am particularly interested in epistemology and abstract ideas. To me, most of these interests are highly correlated.

Anything spark your interest?

I've always found the Fibonacci sequence to be very fascinating, especially since it constantly appears in nature, I've always wondered why that is, in many ways it's almost like nature's "fingerprint".

As for the stock market, I'd have more interest in that if I had more money, I used to play a stock market game however, I actually did quite well.

As for philosophy, I've always liked Alan Watts, sure, some of his ideas see somewhat like woo, however, many of his other ideas have always fascinated me, mainly his respect for nature.

As for psychology and sociology, although they aren't "hard sciences" I still think there's a lot we can learn from those fields, for example, why is it, that, people are so easily coerced into a mob like mentality?
For example, when people get together at a black Friday event, they almost form a "super organism" (much like an ant colony) in the sense that they blindly do what the rest of the mob does.
For example, one person, would (generally) never commit murder in order to get a "good deal" however, when large groups of individuals get into that mob mentality, they are willing to, trample, stab, punch, and do all manner of detestable things just because "everyone else is doing it". To me that shows that most people really aren't that "moral", they're just playing by the rules. It also intuitively tells me that, maybe, our "will" may not be as "free" as we think it is, maybe we're just "running with the herd", so to speak.

I believe time and perception of time has to do with relativity and mass. Like when you watch the movie ants, and the person from the ants point of view is walking super slow. If they showed this from our perception of time, it would look fake and cause cognitive dissonance. We have an innate understanding of this which is why it's natural to slow large characters down in cartoons. Now imagine that we are talking about planets that are extremely large relative to our own size and perception of time...

I'm aware that it's related to relativity and mass, I guess I was just thinking about the nature of time itself. I suppose without time, the universe would essentially be "frozen", almost like a mosquito eternally preserved in a piece of amber.
 

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I've always found the Fibonacci sequence to be very fascinating, especially since it constantly appears in nature, I've always wondered why that is, in many ways it's almost like nature's "fingerprint".

I have ideas that explain how it works, and why everything follows the pattern, and why we find is so attractive, and even how to use it practically and predicatively. It even relates to string theory, sound, perception, emotions, and a whole boat load of other things.

As for the stock market, I'd have more interest in that if I had more money, I used to play a stock market game however, I actually did quite well.

Same here, but I could not wake up at 4am every day and research candlesticks all day. Also, I wanted to do day trading but you need something like $30,000 grand in your trading account to do it legally. With the amount of money that I played with, the transaction fees would eat my profits... LOL

Poker is an easier way to make money and it's under regulated, you play any time, and you can make good amount of money playing it. I don't like gambling, but I don't consider poker or the stock market to be gambling. Every once in a while I play slot machines and I win consistently, but this has to do with good ol' Fibonacci, floor layout, and how casinos work. I have been considering switching professions to poker recently but I haven't made the switch.

As for philosophy, I've always liked Alan Watts, sure, some of his ideas see somewhat like woo, however, many of his other ideas have always fascinated me, mainly his respect for nature.

I haven't read much in my lifetime, but I want to start. I don't know who that is but I will make a note of it. The book that I want to read is "The Power of Movement in Plants" which I'm pretty sure is going to take me months to get through.

I just read a small clip about Alan Watts, and it sounds like he is into Zen. I haven't studied Zen or Buddhism so I am speaking from personal opinion.

Nature and science is the same thing. Nature is created by a very simple set of rules which put together has virtually limitless possibilities. The fact that such a small set of rules can create a conscious being that can comprehend that it's possible is fascinating to me. Nature is beautiful, and so is the expression of the human product of nature. Zen to me means to flow with Fibonacci. Surrounding yourself with nature and art can produce Zen-like feelings. If you meditate, you are in perfect harmony when your brain is in sync with the natural flow (Fibonacci) of the universe and all things in it. It also allows you to communicate with animals and other living things. I think that is why Buddhists are so peaceful towards living things.

Silly note: I was about to edit the word "created" out of the last paragraph to prevent a creationist from claiming I believe in creation. But then I thought about it and I really did mean "created" but the creators would be small mechanical systems called atoms (or whatever scientific discovery in the future replaces atoms with a better explanation). This does not make any suggestions about the existence a god or intelligent designer. The fact that I feel like I have to point this out is ridiculous; but so are creationists so they made this necessary.

That is a brief of my personal philosophy anyways. I want to study Buddhism but I always think about everything first so that I have my own view so that I don't fall prey to information bias. I have done this for a very long time because I figured out really early in life that adults are wrong about almost everything so you can't trust the word of anyone until after you figure it out for yourself first. I am lucky that I figure this out so early, and I have noticed that many figure it out when they are old and already have been programmed by other people's knowledge which at that point is impossible to sort through. Heh, more of my personal philosophy in life. ;)

As for psychology and sociology, although they aren't "hard sciences" I still think there's a lot we can learn from those fields, for example, why is it, that, people are so easily coerced into a mob like mentality?
For example, when people get together at a black Friday event, they almost form a "super organism" (much like an ant colony) in the sense that they blindly do what the rest of the mob does.
For example, one person, would (generally) never commit murder in order to get a "good deal" however, when large groups of individuals get into that mob mentality, they are willing to, trample, stab, punch, and do all manner of detestable things just because "everyone else is doing it". To me that shows that most people really aren't that "moral", they're just playing by the rules. It also intuitively tells me that, maybe, our "will" may not be as "free" as we think it is, maybe we're just "running with the herd", so to speak.

To answer your question as to why people are so easily coerced into mob mentality, look up swam intelligence. Basically a group of people is another conscious entity that can make decisions separate from the group. It's just natural to act that way and those people are what I would call flowing with Fibonacci. They are just misguided and in appropriate circumstances it is helpful. For example if you walk in to a room and everyone is sitting quietly, you go and sit quietly. You know that doing that is appropriate because of mob mentality. If we didn't have that ability, humans may have been naturally selected and we wouldn't exist.

I'm aware that it's related to relativity and mass, I guess I was just thinking about the nature of time itself. I suppose without time, the universe would essentially be "frozen", almost like a mosquito eternally preserved in a piece of amber.

I think that my concept of relativity is different than the generally accepted concept of relativity. Relativity explains time in my opinion. Time is not linear; it is just a matter of perspective. We see time from our perspective. We can change our perspective by changing out location, and see everything from a different view. Also, because of our physical mass and size, we each have a slightly different perspective. When you imagine that a bug is really small, and that their brain can make connections faster than ours so they have a different perspective on time as well. Why do you think flies are so hard to swat? Their reflexology is inherently faster than a human’s because of mass. The same is true for the universe. It's just a larger version of what we see all around us. We each exist in our own relative space-time bubble. We take up a specific amount of space and time real-estate. If time can bend from large objects, then small objects also bend time, just to a smaller degree. So to me, as humans we can change space and time by drinking a glass of water. Even something as small as an atom would also have the same ability to bend space and time. With all of that said, an atom would probably see light particles pass by like falling stars. To us, it's the speed of light and time would have to freeze to match the speed. An atom would not realize it is part of a person because we are so large, and from its perspective it can only see other atoms. It's just all relative to mass and size, which gives you a different perspective on the universe.

I think if you can understand what I'm saying then you can also see the world from another perspective. It's like watching an episode of the Cosmos. They show you the universe from another perspective and it's truly a mind-blowing experience. I watch and episode of that and I have to take a break and let it all sink in.
 

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I have ideas that explain how it works, and why everything follows the pattern, and why we find is so attractive, and even how to use it practically and predicatively. It even relates to string theory, sound, perception, emotions, and a whole boat load of other things.

Could you elaborate further?

Same here, but I could not wake up at 4am every day and research candlesticks all day. Also, I wanted to do day trading but you need something like $30,000 grand in your trading account to do it legally. With the amount of money that I played with, the transaction fees would eat my profits... LOL

True, the stock market isn't really designed for the every day person, it's more or less a "game" for rich people.

Poker is an easier way to make money and it's under regulated, you play any time, and you can make good amount of money playing it. I don't like gambling, but I don't consider poker or the stock market to be gambling. Every once in a while I play slot machines and I win consistently, but this has to do with good ol' Fibonacci, floor layout, and how casinos work. I have been considering switching professions to poker recently but I haven't made the switch.

For some reason I could never quite get the hang of poker. :/ Although, I only tried playing it a few times in my life. With that said, I did play chess quite extensively when I was younger, unfortunately no one wants to play with me anymore because they all think it's "boring". :facepalm:

I haven't read much in my lifetime, but I want to start. I don't know who that is but I will make a note of it. The book that I want to read is "The Power of Movement in Plants" which I'm pretty sure is going to take me months to get through.

Just out of curiosity, what is this book about?

I just read a small clip about Alan Watts, and it sounds like he is into Zen. I haven't studied Zen or Buddhism so I am speaking from personal opinion.

I used to follow the Buddhist philosophy to a degree, it actually, really changed my life, I'm a pantheistic atheist now. I know that sounds contradictory, however, the reason I identify that way is for a few reasons.
1. I tell Christians, and generally all followers of the Abrahamic religions that I'm an atheist, since It's easier than explaining pantheism.
Also, if I said that I view nature as "god" (I'm using that term extremely loosely here) they would essentially try to hijack my philosophy and say "Ah ha, so you do believe", and personally, I find that shit, extremely annoying.
Plus, when people generally refer to "god" they are referring to the "god" of Abraham, and I am almost 100% certain, that the "god" of Abraham is a complete myth made up to control gullible people.

2. As for pantheism, I don't even like to refer to nature as "god", it sounds too simplistic, however, I do have a degree of respect (and possibly even reverence) for nature/the universe as a whole.

Nature and science is the same thing. Nature is created by a very simple set of rules which put together has virtually limitless possibilities. The fact that such a small set of rules can create a conscious being that can comprehend that it's possible is fascinating to me. Nature is beautiful, and so is the expression of the human product of nature. Zen to me means to flow with Fibonacci. Surrounding yourself with nature and art can produce Zen-like feelings. If you meditate, you are in perfect harmony when your brain is in sync with the natural flow (Fibonacci) of the universe and all things in it. It also allows you to communicate with animals and other living things. I think that is why Buddhists are so peaceful towards living things.

I agree with you on this, science, is essentially the study of nature, and is much more fulfilling then going to church could ever be. (in my humble opinion.)
There have been times, when I would spend night after night, doing scientific research, I would even have strange dreams regarding my research.
This might sound like woo, however, once I had a dream that I was traveling faster than the speed of light, the faster I traveled, the more spherical I would become, then, once I finally surpassed the speed of light, it was like I was no longer moving through the cosmos, but the cosmos was moving around me, then, I became the center of a beautiful star.
It was quite strange, however, after I woke up, I felt like I had an epiphany, later that day, I calculated the surface gravity of the sun, and played around with the numbers in hopes of discovering something new. I'm not sure why, but I had this intuitive feeling that, perhaps some sort of "force" was moving faster than light, at the center of stars, and essentially "powering them". It might sound strange, however, this was just my personal research I was doing one day, I didn't really even think about getting any ideas like that published, out of fear that they would be ridiculed.

Silly note: I was about to edit the word "created" out of the last paragraph to prevent a creationist from claiming I believe in creation. But then I thought about it and I really did mean "created" but the creators would be small mechanical systems called atoms (or whatever scientific discovery in the future replaces atoms with a better explanation). This does not make any suggestions about the existence a god or intelligent designer. The fact that I feel like I have to point this out is ridiculous; but so are creationists so they made this necessary. I think that god would be existential which means non-existant, however I will concede to say that language does not provide me with a better word to call something that was beyond existence but was real.

I don't blame you, I don't like it when creationists hijack my arguments either, as I stated before, it infuriates me when they do that, it's sad that these things have to be pointed out.
With that said, as for intelligence, the god of Abraham seems to be bullshit. I don't know if nature itself is intelligent or not, I'm not qualified to give an opinion on that, however, anything is possible I suppose.

That is a brief of my personal philosophy anyways. I want to study Buddhism but I always think about everything first so that I have my own view so that I don't fall prey to information bias. I have done this for a very long time because I figured out really early in life that adults are wrong about almost everything so you can't trust the word of anyone until after you figure it out for yourself first. I am lucky that I figure this out so early, and I have noticed that many figure it out when they are old and already have been programmed by other people's knowledge which at that point is impossible to sort through. Heh, more of my personal philosophy in life. ;)

I agree, most people who claim to know something (in terms of absolutes) generally don't know their heads from their asses haha.

To answer your question as to why people are so easily coerced into mob mentality, look up swam intelligence. Basically a group of people is another conscious entity that can make decisions separate from the group. It's just natural to act that way and those people are what I would call flowing with Fibonacci. They are just misguided and in appropriate circumstances it is helpful. For example if you walk in to a room and everyone is sitting quietly, you go and sit quietly. You know that doing that is appropriate because of mob mentality. If we didn't have that ability, humans may have been naturally selected and we wouldn't exist.

I've always been kind of aware that groups tend to become another conscious entity in and of themselves, although I didn't know there was a theory for it. I'll have to look into it later.
Also, you're right, it did help us from an evolutionary standpoint, although, there are many times when it can be extremely harmful to humans as a species, especially when logical reasoning suffer (or is outright dismissed!) because of it.

I think that my concept of relativity is different than the generally accepted concept of relativity. Relativity explains time in my opinion. Time is not linear; it is just a matter of perspective. We see time from our perspective. We can change our perspective by changing out location, and see everything from a different view. Also, because of our physical mass and size, we each have a slightly different perspective. When you imagine that a bug is really small, and that their brain can make connections faster than ours so they have a different perspective on time as well. Why do you think flies are so hard to swat? Their reflexology is inherently faster than a human’s because of mass. The same is true for the universe. It's just a larger version of what we see all around us. We each exist in our own relative space-time bubble. We take up a specific amount of space and time real-estate. If time can bend from large objects, then small objects also bend time, just to a smaller degree. So to me, as humans we can change space and time by drinking a glass of water. Even something as small as an atom would also have the same ability to bend space and time. With all of that said, an atom would probably see light particles pass by like falling stars. To us, it's the speed of light and time would have to freeze to match the speed. An atom would not realize it is part of a person because we are so large, and from its perspective it can only see other atoms. It's just all relative to mass and size, which gives you a different perspective on the universe.

I think if you can understand what I'm saying then you can also see the world from another perspective. It's like watching an episode of the Cosmos. They show you the universe from another perspective and it's truly a mind-blowing experience. I watch and episode of that and I have to take a break and let it all sink in.

I've known this for a while, since time and space are relative to an object of mass, that object of mass (in this case, humans, or animals) will "perceive" time differently, for example, I'm a pretty big dude, so "my time" moves slightly slower then, lets say, the time of a small dogs'. (perhaps that's why I'm late for appointments so often lol.)

With that said, all that we can perceive is essentially, just light, when you try to perceive the in-perceivable, such as moving faster then the speed of light, or even just thinking about frequencies on the EM/light scale and how they form the world around us, it can be truly mind bending.

Also, sorry for the long response time, I just wanted to make sure that I would have a coherent answer before responding.

Also, on a side note, it seems I'm getting the intellectually stimulating conversation I came here for, this makes me happy. (not being sarcastic, since it's sometimes hard to tell online. :))
 

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Could you elaborate further?

Not really. It would take a long time to explain. I'm working on documenting my thoughts so that I can explain how everything relates and is connected. It wouldn't be scientific, but I want it to be an accurate representation of reality (or at least as close as possible). I have been drawing out portions of it so that eventually it would be a piece of art. It would be a visual representation of everything in my brain and it would allow me to have a more concrete belief system. I could refer to it and make changes when I learn something new and better. Also, I want it to be interesting and fun so that other people can enjoy it. Think of it like a sketch/doodle style comic that would take multiple visits to even see the whole thing. This is an exercise for me, and I think it would be interesting to others.

Basically, yes I will elaborate on this further but you're going to have to wait a while. I feel really unconfident because I'm not a writer and I haven't read much so it's a challenge. I guess I will become a better writer from the process.

I'm using the forum as a "rubber-ducking" technique to help me elaborate stale ideas. Inside my head everything seems clear but when I write it out, I generate new ideas and improve existing ones. I guess this would be the age when I would start developing my tertiary MBTI function, so I am trying to use my knowledge of my personality to try to improve myself. I feel like my primary and secondary functions are very well established. None of what I'm doing here is in my nature as an INTP.

True, the stock market isn't really designed for the every day person, it's more or less a "game" for rich people.

It takes a lot of time and research to predict something accurately and consistently to make a profit, faster than traditional investing where you can just sit on it. You are basically working for the money. Long-term investing is more like gambling.

For some reason I could never quite get the hang of poker. :/ Although, I only tried playing it a few times in my life. With that said, I did play chess quite extensively when I was younger, unfortunately no one wants to play with me anymore because they all think it's "boring". :facepalm:

I found poker to be exactly the same system as predicting stocks, and it fits my lifestyle better. It's also interesting to switch to something else and challenge my extroverted side by playing with people in person. I used to play online and even though you can't see anyone; you can ignore their chat and still play against them psychologically. To me all of these things are the same systems so I can learn from one; from what I know about the other.

And yes, it's Fibonacci that I use and it works greater than any other system that I've used. It's really easy to do because it's natural, and because it's built into nature. Plus, it's used in art which you can use it roughly and still get the same result of creating art that people innately enjoy. It can also be applied roughly to poker so you can just estimate and go with an estimated figure and it works.

Just out of curiosity, what is this book about?

It's about how plants grow. It’s written by Charles Darwin something like 200 years ago. It’s really long and very detailed.

I used to follow the Buddhist philosophy to a degree, it actually, really changed my life, I'm a pantheistic atheist now. I know that sounds contradictory, however, the reason I identify that way is for a few reasons.
1. I tell Christians, and generally all followers of the Abrahamic religions that I'm an atheist, since It's easier than explaining pantheism.
Also, if I said that I view nature as "god" (I'm using that term extremely loosely here) they would essentially try to hijack my philosophy and say "Ah ha, so you do believe", and personally, I find that shit, extremely annoying.
Plus, when people generally refer to "god" they are referring to the "god" of Abraham, and I am almost 100% certain, that the "god" of Abraham is a complete myth made up to control gullible people.
2. As for pantheism, I don't even like to refer to nature as "god", it sounds too simplistic, however, I do have a degree of respect (and possibly even reverence) for nature/the universe as a whole.
Maybe you can give me a brief overview of the important aspects of Buddhism?

I wrote a post in reply to comment in another thread where someone was using Richard Dawkins to give weight to their argument.

“I was hoping someone might recognize the reference from Richard Dawkins and other atheists that they at least admit to the appearance of design in life, though they still do not believe in a designer.”

They were referencing propaganda spread by Ben Stein to promote his movie on creationism. Dawkins never claimed that there was an appearance of design in life.

You can watch the video and judge for yourself. Ben Stein was asking questions like “who created the universe?” which you would have to assume that someone created the universe to even answer. Dawkins pointed it out and refused to answer that question.

Notice how they have to switch to Ben narrating the question about putting a number on it before Dawkins reply. It’s because his question was not the same as the narrated question. He probably pressured him for a while with “just put a number on it” repeated at him a few dozen times before he gave the following response. He even states he couldn’t put a number on it.

Also notice how Ben doesn’t answer any questions or propose any ideas. He asks complicated questions and expects simple answers.

Then when he actually talks about intelligent design Dawkins never claims to believe there is any evidence, just that “I guess it’s a possibility.”

Dawkins basically says that the intelligent designers would be aliens from another planet, who released some basic organic matter onto earth, which then evolved over billions of years. That is not the same as saying God exists, and is the intelligent designer. And he even points out that it’s not the same immediately after making. Then Ben basically narrates his misinterpretation in a tone to make what Dawkins said sound dumb.

Listen to how many times Ben asks “you don’t believe in any god anywhere”, and then changes his phrasing of the same question so that he could ask it over and over again. Then Dawkins is like… that’s a stupid question. Meanwhile Ben is not listening and trying to find new ways to ask the same question. And then he asks it a few more times.

He narrates over the top to twist Dawkins words. It’s littered with logical fallacies. It’s intentionally misleading. And now I have absolutely no respect for Ben Stein. When you have to use arguments like “scientists believe it so it’s scientific” as supporting evidence; it only suggests that you have no real evidence. And besides, misrepresenting a scientist is not the same as scientists actually having a belief. And why not use science as evidence instead of trickery?

Here’s the severely edited copy of the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc


I agree with you on this, science, is essentially the study of nature, and is much more fulfilling then going to church could ever be. (in my humble opinion.)
There have been times, when I would spend night after night, doing scientific research, I would even have strange dreams regarding my research.
This might sound like woo, however, once I had a dream that I was traveling faster than the speed of light, the faster I traveled, the more spherical I would become, then, once I finally surpassed the speed of light, it was like I was no longer moving through the cosmos, but the cosmos was moving around me, then, I became the center of a beautiful star.
It was quite strange, however, after I woke up, I felt like I had an epiphany, later that day, I calculated the surface gravity of the sun, and played around with the numbers in hopes of discovering something new. I'm not sure why, but I had this intuitive feeling that, perhaps some sort of "force" was moving faster than light, at the center of stars, and essentially "powering them". It might sound strange, however, this was just my personal research I was doing one day, I didn't really even think about getting any ideas like that published, out of fear that they would be ridiculed.

I think dreams are a place to test hypotheses. While I can’t say that I understand your dream, I do understand what you mean. I think that stars and the universe have some capacity for consciousness, and definitely the capacity for memory. So maybe your dream was a representation of reality and you experienced what it would be like to be a star. If you spent more time there, maybe you can find out how a star might feel, or what it might want out of life. It has a lifespan, and it’s longer than any human. Maybe solar flares are anger. I don’t have the perspective to think about these things, but being inside of a star would give you a good perspective to answer these questions.

I have two dream related questions for you:

1. Do you have lucid dreams? What I mean is can you control your dreams, or do the dreams control you? Or are you aware that it’s a dream when it happens?

2. Have you ever had sleep paralysis? This would include seeing aliens, ghosts, or demons and feeling them touch you while you’re awake and paralyzed. Or I would also include hearing voices in the instant that you are falling asleep.

I don't blame you, I don't like it when creationists hijack my arguments either, as I stated before, it infuriates me when they do that, it's sad that these things have to be pointed out.
With that said, as for intelligence, the god of Abraham seems to be bullshit. I don't know if nature itself is intelligent or not, I'm not qualified to give an opinion on that, however, anything is possible I suppose.

You should know my opinion based on my previous responses.

I agree, most people who claim to know something (in terms of absolutes) generally don't know their heads from their asses haha.

Yep! There’s always the possibility that we are in The Matrix…


I've always been kind of aware that groups tend to become another conscious entity in and of themselves, although I didn't know there was a theory for it. I'll have to look into it later.
Also, you're right, it did help us from an evolutionary standpoint, although, there are many times when it can be extremely harmful to humans as a species, especially when logical reasoning suffer (or is outright dismissed!) because of it.

Exactly!

I've known this for a while, since time and space are relative to an object of mass, that object of mass (in this case, humans, or animals) will "perceive" time differently, for example, I'm a pretty big dude, so "my time" moves slightly slower then, lets say, the time of a small dogs'. (perhaps that's why I'm late for appointments so often lol.)
Yeah, I think that it is inherent knowledge. Video game characters are relatively small compared to us, so they are sped up to make it feel more realistic. I don’t think it’s common for someone to believe that relativity applies the same to planets as they do to people. Also, perception of time is different idea. Moving slower because of weight is because of gravity and moving against those forces. I think maybe we have similar ideas or understandings of the same phenomena.
With that said, all that we can perceive is essentially, just light, when you try to perceive the in-perceivable, such as moving faster then the speed of light, or even just thinking about frequencies on the EM/light scale and how they form the world around us, it can be truly mind bending.
If you were traveling at the speed of light, you would be stretched out so thin that each atom in your body would be in a line with a huge space between each one. So you would essentially be a form of light.
Also, sorry for the long response time, I just wanted to make sure that I would have a coherent answer before responding.
I spend a long time writing as well. I look back and see tons of mistakes in my writing but it’s a forum so I don’t really care enough to fix them. Oh and I accidentally lost everything that I wrote half way though.
Also, on a side note, it seems I'm getting the intellectually stimulating conversation I came here for, this makes me happy. (not being sarcastic, since it's sometimes hard to tell online. :))
Same here! I'm glad that my ideas don't come off and totally insane.
I wish that I knew how much information I learned externally and how much was internal. I feel like I at least have intentionally assigned a majority of my own beliefs. I usually approach a situation by coming to my own conclusion before knowing anything about a topic, then learn a little from outside sources, and then go back to think about it more and see where it leads.
 

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Not really. It would take a long time to explain. I'm working on documenting my thoughts so that I can explain how everything relates and is connected. It wouldn't be scientific, but I want it to be an accurate representation of reality (or at least as close as possible). I have been drawing out portions of it so that eventually it would be a piece of art. It would be a visual representation of everything in my brain and it would allow me to have a more concrete belief system. I could refer to it and make changes when I learn something new and better. Also, I want it to be interesting and fun so that other people can enjoy it. Think of it like a sketch/doodle style comic that would take multiple visits to even see the whole thing. This is an exercise for me, and I think it would be interesting to others.

Basically, yes I will elaborate on this further but you're going to have to wait a while. I feel really unconfident because I'm not a writer and I haven't read much so it's a challenge. I guess I will become a better writer from the process.

I'm using the forum as a "rubber-ducking" technique to help me elaborate stale ideas. Inside my head everything seems clear but when I write it out, I generate new ideas and improve existing ones. I guess this would be the age when I would start developing my tertiary MBTI function, so I am trying to use my knowledge of my personality to try to improve myself. I feel like my primary and secondary functions are very well established. None of what I'm doing here is in my nature as an INTP.

So like, Fibonacci spirals and what not?
Also, I understand, I usually learn more as I write about a subject as well.



It takes a lot of time and research to predict something accurately and consistently to make a profit, faster than traditional investing where you can just sit on it. You are basically working for the money. Long-term investing is more like gambling.

True to a degree, although certain investments can be fairly stable. (gold, silver, pretty much any commodity, just buy them when they're cheap.)

I found poker to be exactly the same system as predicting stocks, and it fits my lifestyle better. It's also interesting to switch to something else and challenge my extroverted side by playing with people in person. I used to play online and even though you can't see anyone; you can ignore their chat and still play against them psychologically. To me all of these things are the same systems so I can learn from one; from what I know about the other.

And yes, it's Fibonacci that I use and it works greater than any other system that I've used. It's really easy to do because it's natural, and because it's built into nature. Plus, it's used in art which you can use it roughly and still get the same result of creating art that people innately enjoy. It can also be applied roughly to poker so you can just estimate and go with an estimated figure and it works.

Interesting.

It's about how plants grow. It’s written by Charles Darwin something like 200 years ago. It’s really long and very detailed.

I may have to look into it.

Maybe you can give me a brief overview of the important aspects of Buddhism?

I'm feeling kind of lazy at the moment. (as you can probably tell by my writing lol.)

Although, here is a video about the 4 noble truths, explained by Alan Watts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui4rUSgrgmQ

As for me, I was never a "hard" Buddhist, in the sense that I blindly followed all dogma espoused by the Buddhist philosophy (mainly, I'm very skeptical about the idea of reincarnation) however, the main thing is to meditate, you'll learn much more through meditation then you could through a life time of study.

I wrote a post in reply to comment in another thread where someone was using Richard Dawkins to give weight to their argument.

“I was hoping someone might recognize the reference from Richard Dawkins and other atheists that they at least admit to the appearance of design in life, though they still do not believe in a designer.”

They were referencing propaganda spread by Ben Stein to promote his movie on creationism. Dawkins never claimed that there was an appearance of design in life.

You can watch the video and judge for yourself. Ben Stein was asking questions like “who created the universe?” which you would have to assume that someone created the universe to even answer. Dawkins pointed it out and refused to answer that question.

Notice how they have to switch to Ben narrating the question about putting a number on it before Dawkins reply. It’s because his question was not the same as the narrated question. He probably pressured him for a while with “just put a number on it” repeated at him a few dozen times before he gave the following response. He even states he couldn’t put a number on it.

Also notice how Ben doesn’t answer any questions or propose any ideas. He asks complicated questions and expects simple answers.

Then when he actually talks about intelligent design Dawkins never claims to believe there is any evidence, just that “I guess it’s a possibility.”

Dawkins basically says that the intelligent designers would be aliens from another planet, who released some basic organic matter onto earth, which then evolved over billions of years. That is not the same as saying God exists, and is the intelligent designer. And he even points out that it’s not the same immediately after making. Then Ben basically narrates his misinterpretation in a tone to make what Dawkins said sound dumb.

Listen to how many times Ben asks “you don’t believe in any god anywhere”, and then changes his phrasing of the same question so that he could ask it over and over again. Then Dawkins is like… that’s a stupid question. Meanwhile Ben is not listening and trying to find new ways to ask the same question. And then he asks it a few more times.

He narrates over the top to twist Dawkins words. It’s littered with logical fallacies. It’s intentionally misleading. And now I have absolutely no respect for Ben Stein. When you have to use arguments like “scientists believe it so it’s scientific” as supporting evidence; it only suggests that you have no real evidence. And besides, misrepresenting a scientist is not the same as scientists actually having a belief. And why not use science as evidence instead of trickery?

Here’s the severely edited copy of the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc

I noticed Ben Steins trickery as well, he's an intelligent orator but that's where his intelligence ends.

As for Ben Stein using science, he's a business man, not a scientist, he wouldn't be able to conceive of anything less simplistic then his false "god".


I think dreams are a place to test hypotheses. While I can’t say that I understand your dream, I do understand what you mean. I think that stars and the universe have some capacity for consciousness, and definitely the capacity for memory. So maybe your dream was a representation of reality and you experienced what it would be like to be a star. If you spent more time there, maybe you can find out how a star might feel, or what it might want out of life. It has a lifespan, and it’s longer than any human. Maybe solar flares are anger. I don’t have the perspective to think about these things, but being inside of a star would give you a good perspective to answer these questions.

Hmm, define consciousness? I only ask, since I feel this term is thrown around a little bit too often, I suppose anything is possible, however, I'm not sure that stars can be conscious, maybe I'm just not understanding it?

I have two dream related questions for you:

1. Do you have lucid dreams? What I mean is can you control your dreams, or do the dreams control you? Or are you aware that it’s a dream when it happens?

2. Have you ever had sleep paralysis? This would include seeing aliens, ghosts, or demons and feeling them touch you while you’re awake and paralyzed. Or I would also include hearing voices in the instant that you are falling asleep.

1. Yeah, I've had lucid dreams after practicing for some time, when they're not lucid, they're usually quite vivid.

2. Once I woke up in my room, I couldn't move and felt an extreme sense of fear, I didn't feel like I was alone, although my mind could have been playing tricks on me.

You should know my opinion based on my previous responses.

I do, and I agree.

Yep! There’s always the possibility that we are in The Matrix…

True, for all I know you could be a figment of my imagination, I could also be the only one here that is "real" and the rest of you could all just be simulations, of course, this could also be the other way around from your (or anyone else's (is that a word?)) standpoint.




Exactly!


Yeah, I think that it is inherent knowledge. Video game characters are relatively small compared to us, so they are sped up to make it feel more realistic. I don’t think it’s common for someone to believe that relativity applies the same to planets as they do to people. Also, perception of time is different idea. Moving slower because of weight is because of gravity and moving against those forces. I think maybe we have similar ideas or understandings of the same phenomena.

If you were traveling at the speed of light, you would be stretched out so thin that each atom in your body would be in a line with a huge space between each one. So you would essentially be a form of light.

True, also, I never said I'd survive, if I traveled faster than light, I was merely entertaining the theoretical possibility.

I spend a long time writing as well. I look back and see tons of mistakes in my writing but it’s a forum so I don’t really care enough to fix them. Oh and I accidentally lost everything that I wrote half way though.

Same here! I'm glad that my ideas don't come off and totally insane.
I wish that I knew how much information I learned externally and how much was internal. I feel like I at least have intentionally assigned a majority of my own beliefs. I usually approach a situation by coming to my own conclusion before knowing anything about a topic, then learn a little from outside sources, and then go back to think about it more and see where it leads.

I usually try to be more eloquent in my writing style, normally I'd discuss this in further detail, unfortunately, it's 4:05AM here and I have to get up at 9:00AM for school tomorrow... which kind of sucks.

As for your ideas, they don't seem that out there to me. (with the exception of a few, "mainly the sun being conscious and what not.", although, now that I'm typing, and thinking about it, I suppose the universe being a living organism isn't totally out of the question. (as I may have stated in one of my previous posts))

Also, send me a PM later, it seems like we may agree on a lot of ideas.
 

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Hello, INTP's, my name is Matt, however, you can call me "Count Dusseldorf".
I've been a lurker here for a while and finally decided to join, to, perhaps, partake in some interesting discussion.

Hi, I'm also a new member. I registered just a few minutes ago. I became a member simply because I'm searching for some new people to talk to because I feel like I'm isolated in my own world. I go to school, but I don't have many people to talk to there. I Think I'm an INTP, after two internet tests I've made and the description on how INTP's are like sounded right to me, even if I'm not sure that that is the ultimate way you can categorize people after personality. But I can give it a try and see if I feel better with other INTP's, but on the internet (and it's easier to become friends with people on the internet lol)
 

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Hi, I'm also a new member. I registered just a few minutes ago. I became a member simply because I'm searching for some new people to talk to because I feel like I'm isolated in my own world. I go to school, but I don't have many people to talk to there. I Think I'm an INTP, after two internet tests I've made and the description on how INTP's are like sounded right to me, even if I'm not sure that that is the ultimate way you can categorize people after personality. But I can give it a try and see if I feel better with other INTP's, but on the internet (and it's easier to become friends with people on the internet lol)

Welcome! I can be your internet buddy.

I think that it's easier for INTPs to communicate through writing. Talking does not allow for enough time to ponder the topic being discussed. It's like talking to other people in your head, except that they are real (kinda, I think a few may be androids).
 

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Welcome! I can be your internet buddy.

I think that it's easier for INTPs to communicate through writing. Talking does not allow for enough time to ponder the topic being discussed. It's like talking to other people in your head, except that they are real (kinda, I think a few may be androids).

Thank you. No, while talking in real Life, you Always 'feel' the Chemistry that you have to say something suitable, like if you want to talk about for example the 20's Century, you cannot just say ''Hay, what do you Think about 20's Century?'' the person would Think that I'm mad. On the internet, for example in forums, it's easier, because you can make a topic that is called ''20's century'' and then other people can pop in. But, in the same time, maybe you're not that lucky, because maybe other people will not care about your topic. But I choose far more internet instead of real Life. But the best would be having only one person Walking on a walk and talk about Deep things. That would be my Dream, haha.
 

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(and it's easier to become friends with people on the internet lol)
It's easier to establish and maintain superficial relationships imo.

Welcome and enjoy your stay ye fresh bloodlings.
 

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It's easier to establish and maintain superficial relationships imo.

Welcome and enjoy your stay ye fresh bloodlings.

Thank you too! I don't know what ''fresh bloodlings means'' to be honest.

But yes, that is easier on the internet. But become friends on th einternet is not the same way as in real life. In real life you feel if you have become friends. On the internet btw, how I see it, people just make a friend request and then you accept it. And if you never talk to each other again, you are still internet friends, but if you mail each other, then you are very good internet friends or bff or something like that. Superficial relationship on the internet for me is more like having someone that is fun to write to in forums for example. But maybe it's on different conditions in forums and in youtube for example, and I don't use youtube.
 

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Thank you too! I don't know what ''fresh bloodlings means'' to be honest.
I'm not sure, I just said the first term that came to my mind.

Bloodling as I used it could mean "something made of blood", synonym to human.

I hope I didn't confuse you in a bad way now.
 

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I'm not sure, I just said the first term that came to my mind.

Bloodling as I used it could mean "something made of blood", synonym to human.

I hope I didn't confuse you in a bad way now.


Well, now when you say so, no I don't feel confused in a bad way. Before, I was a little bit unsure, not by your fault, but when I got into another forum to learn a little bit more about how INTP's are in general, I got a little bit the impression that INTP's were emo-like people, that is interested in death and those kind of stuff. So when you said ''blood'', that made me think of that. But now it doesnt feel like that anymore. I guess INTP's are more like a little bit of nerdy people that are in deep thoughts and dont like to do things, which is more like me.

But I guess you mean I'm a human, and yes I'm a human haha :D
 
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