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kora

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Has anyone here seen it ? I dragged my family for my birthday, they had to accept my movie choice and they were all really pissed off I chose a Godzilla movie but they all ended up loving it.

I'm going again soon. It just got an Oscar nomination for visual effects too, a first for a Godzilla movie.

I was already a big fan of the original 1954 version and I knew this was supposed to be a reboot, in spirit at least, of that one.
 

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In Japan, Godzilla represents the unbridled forces of nature that man must come to terms with. When man fights nature, nature fights back and so we must learn to be in harmony with it. Earthquakes are so common in Japan they have learned to adapt as rapidly as possible, Japan is always being destroyed yet always rebuilding itself. There is an impermanence to everything but we can work with it in all its flaws and thrive.
 

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I loved it, and its the best movie I have seen in long while.
 

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In Japan, Godzilla represents the unbridled forces of nature that man must come to terms with. When man fights nature, nature fights back and so we must learn to be in harmony with it. Earthquakes are so common in Japan they have learned to adapt as rapidly as possible, Japan is always being destroyed yet always rebuilding itself. There is an impermanence to everything but we can work with it in all its flaws and thrive.
I mostly agree but he is also the atomic bomb ak !
I loved it, and its the best movie I have seen in long while.
Me toooooooo best film of 2023 hands down (although I haven't seen anatomy of a fall yet and everyone keeps telling me it's brilliant)
 

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The US is slow to get this movie, I'm still waiting for it to come out. They haven't begun streaming it yet either. Definitely want to see it.
 

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I mostly agree but he is also the atomic bomb ak !

I saw the first movie from the 1950s.

"Science has awakened Godzilla, but it can also destroy him"

I read this in 9th grade:

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Even though man is powerful nature is more powerful.

When will man learn to not destroy himself?

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I had a toy Godzilla when I was 8 yo but my grandmother hated Godzilla.

History Channel had a whole series on Godzilla 4 hours long I saw in 1999 I think?

@Black Rose go and see godzillaaaaa

If I get money I will try.

Godzilla: The Series (1998-2000) - Intro​


Godzilla 2000 - US Trailer (HD) (2000)​

 

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atomic bomb

When the Americans unleashed the power of the atom I think this was a revelation to Japan that they had understood the true nature of the yang of chi (male spiritual energy) - To counter this yin was necessary.

The prevailing dominance of yang had led to a bad way in the world but still, a balance must be found.
 

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I grew up watching Godzilla shows in Japan.

I'm honestly kind of dismissive of people outside Japan liking Godzilla- people within Japan don't necessarily like it either, as in, it's a a part of popular culture now, and is seem more as a classic than something that is praised for.

From a cultural perspective, I do wonder about the effect Godzilla had on the Japanese populace as a whole. Godzilla is about the emmense power of nuclear energy, and from a STEMs perspective, I think it has the effect of bringing children more closer to nuclear physics. Japan for the most part of the post-war era was a madien power to the United States, being used as an early shield against China and Russia in the Far East.

On some theological level, Godzilla represents the United States- an unknowable power that is to be awed, and sometimes showing some kind of morality. This comes to light when you consider the religious conception of Shintoism that's prevalent in the religious psyche of the country.

As a Korean however, it's interesting that Japan looks up, rather than down, i.e. to Korea, to chart their future. Japan has a lot of unresolved bilateral tensions with Korea due to their political class being unable to reproach their own forefathers. There is an unchallenged colonial narrative that Japan upholds that alienates Koreans from the discussion, those who've been under the heel of Imperial Japan for 35 years.

Japan might understand power, but they've yet to understand justice.
 

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I grew up watching Godzilla shows in Japan.
FYI, for some perspective,
I used to not mind watching foreign films as long as they had subtitles, or I liked the look and could follow the films. So I watched a lot of French films, and a lot of Chinese martial arts films, as well. So I also grew up watching the old 1950s and 1960s Godzilla and Godzooky Japanese movies.

I'm honestly kind of dismissive of people outside Japan liking Godzilla- people within Japan don't necessarily like it either, as in, it's a a part of popular culture now, and is seem more as a classic than something that is praised for.
Well, the themes transformed. In the 1980s, they had turned into spaceships which split into 5 robots that would reform into some sort of giant man, like in G-Force, Voltron, and then the Power Rangers super-robot. They were imitations of the giant robots that would fight Godzilla, which itself was a metallic and robotic version of Godzilla.

You can see the same theme later transform again, such as the giant plant creature in Hellboy II: The Golden Army. You can also see the same theme of giant supenatural creatures that come to save the planet, sometimes attacking humans for destroying the planet, in some of the Studio Ghibli films.

From a cultural perspective, I do wonder about the effect Godzilla had on the Japanese populace as a whole. Godzilla is about the emmense power of nuclear energy, and from a STEMs perspective, I think it has the effect of bringing children more closer to nuclear physics. Japan for the most part of the post-war era was a madien power to the United States, being used as an early shield against China and Russia in the Far East.
Sadly, Godzilla was a good example of how much nuclear energy is misunderstood, which goes along with the 60s comic book idea that nuclear radiation would cause people to develop superpowers (this notion was later replaced with genetics in the 1980s). Nuclear radiation doesn't make elephants or anything else bigger. It's more like an extremely intense fire.

On some theological level, Godzilla represents the United States- an unknowable power that is to be awed, and sometimes showing some kind of morality. This comes to light when you consider the religious conception of Shintoism that's prevalent in the religious psyche of the country.
I never thought of it like that. Mind you, I never thought of the USA as an awesome unknowable power.

As a Korean however, it's interesting that Japan looks up, rather than down, i.e. to Korea, to chart their future.
This sounds different to how I perceived them. Are you suggesting that the Japanese perceive Korea as somehow superior to Japan in some way?
 

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I never thought of it like that. Mind you, I never thought of the USA as an awesome unknowable power.
Right, I think from the perspective from Europe, they would see America as their cultural lesser, because of the difference in the depth of history. From Japan however, Japan sees America as a benevolent conquerer. America, (FDR and MacArthur), never punished Emperor Hirohito for allowing his government to pursue war. So in a sense the symbol of the power of Japan was spared, and so the Japanese elite and royal class feel like they have this debt towards the United States.

This sounds different to how I perceived them. Are you suggesting that the Japanese perceive Korea as somehow superior to Japan in some way?

Sorry, I should have written that more clearly. What I meant by that was that Japan never looked into the faults they have committed in the past as they were heading towards their future. Japan had done some unspeakable things to Korea and Koreans during the later 19th century and early 20th century. Because they were spared by the US, what they had committed towards Korea (and to China) had largely been overlooked, and the sin was not repaid.

There are circumstancial historical contexts to consider though for this moral deficit by Japan, which is that the United States was in ideological competition with the Soviet Union and that it needed allies. That global alignment brushed aside the enmity Korea had toward Japan, and that discontent is extremely hardwired into the psyche of Koreans, even to this very day.
 

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I felt the movie in the feelz, but I also liked the included the theme of after war effects, which frankly never get much attention.
I also saw the characters as more relatable and real, than cookie cutter, scripted characters. Or at least they felt refreshing.
Godzilla looked mean as fuck.
 

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I never thought of it like that. Mind you, I never thought of the USA as an awesome unknowable power.
Right, I think from the perspective from Europe, they would see America as their cultural lesser, because of the difference in the depth of history.
A lot of Europeans, particularly on the Continent, tend to think of their culture as superior, even to British culture. But they're mostly snobby about that.

From Japan however, Japan sees America as a benevolent conquerer. America, (FDR and MacArthur), never punished Emperor Hirohito for allowing his government to pursue war. So in a sense the symbol of the power of Japan was spared, and so the Japanese elite and royal class feel like they have this debt towards the United States.
I think it's more than that. The Marshall Plan rebuilt Germany and Japan so much, that they became superpowers in the 1980s.

At the time, a lot of people thought that Japan would overtake the US and become #1 in the world. Lots of Westerners started learning Japanese, because they thought it would become the language of the future. Blade Runner and other films of the time, showed all the signs in Japanese, and everyone eating Japanese/Chinese food, because of that.

This sounds different to how I perceived them. Are you suggesting that the Japanese perceive Korea as somehow superior to Japan in some way?

Sorry, I should have written that more clearly. What I meant by that was that Japan never looked into the faults they have committed in the past as they were heading towards their future. Japan had done some unspeakable things to Korea and Koreans during the later 19th century and early 20th century. Because they were spared by the US, what they had committed towards Korea (and to China) had largely been overlooked, and the sin was not repaid.

There are circumstancial historical contexts to consider though for this moral deficit by Japan, which is that the United States was in ideological competition with the Soviet Union and that it needed allies. That global alignment brushed aside the enmity Korea had toward Japan, and that discontent is extremely hardwired into the psyche of Koreans, even to this very day.
I see.

I heard/read about the Rape of Nanking.

I also get the impression that the Chinese hold the British, the Americans, and the West in general, responsible for China going through what they called the Century of humiliation.

But I never heard that the Koreans were treated badly by the Japanese during WW2.

Thanks for educating me.
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The British had a hard time too, at certain times in history. Britain used to own half of France. They used to rule the Seven Seas. They used to own 1/3rd of the world.

The world also seems to forget that the Germans started WW2, and caused millions of deaths, and that the French, the Italians, and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem all collaborated with the Germans, and were also heavily involved in the deaths of Holocaust. Only a handful of the SS and the Germans who killed millions in the camps, were prosecuted. No-one even talks about the war crimes of WW2 with respect to any of the others who were involved.

In the 1980s and 1990s, I used to know lots of people who wouldn't buy German cars and German TVs, because of the war, and still hated the French because of their collaboration.

These days, France and Germany are said to run the EU.

Are these cases examples of what people mean by "history is written by the winners"? Because France, Germany, and their allies in WW2, were the losers. Yet today, they seem to be the winners.
 

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I think it's more than that. The Marshall Plan rebuilt Germany and Japan so much, that they became superpowers in the 1980s.

At the time, a lot of people thought that Japan would overtake the US and become #1 in the world. Lots of Westerners started learning Japanese, because they thought it would become the language of the future. Blade Runner and other films of the time, showed all the signs in Japanese, and everyone eating Japanese/Chinese food, because of that.

Right, the US helped Japan get back on its feet and was made into an economic bulwalk against the Soviets. I wonder if you know about the Plaza Accords, this is the piece of legislative treaty that stifled Japan's economic rise and sent them into the Lost Decade. This was all orcestrated by the US, to stop Japan from overtaking them.

I see.

I heard/read about the Rape of Nanking.

I also get the impression that the Chinese hold the British, the Americans, and the West in general, responsible for China going through what they called the Century of humiliation.

But I never heard that the Koreans were treated badly by the Japanese during WW2.

Ah yes, China is pretty vocal about the century of humiliation.

What Japan did to Korea though spans much further back than during the events of WW2. Their takeover of Korea begins in the late 1800s, not during the 1940s. The western world basically gave Japan a pass at Korea because they felt that Korea needed to come out of its savagery.

There were 3 powers that were vrying for power on the Korean peninsula at the time, which were Russia, America, and Britian. Japan over the course of several decades they were able to forge alliances or win wars over these powers so that no other power would challenge them in their ambition to take over Korea, and further, China. Japan made the Anglo-Japanese alliance pact in 1902, where the British empire and Japan promised each other to protect their respect interests in China and Korea, and in 1905, the Taft–Katsura agreement was made between Japan and the US, where US would respect Japan's ambition over Korea while Japan would respect US's interests over the Phillipines. Also in 1905 was the Russo-Japanese War, where Japan defeated Russia in a naval engagement in the Sea of Japan. This ended Russia's presence in the Far East and in East Asia, and this war finally removed the final obstacle that hindered Japan from engaging with Korea.

In 1910, Japan formally annexed Korea, stealing the King's seal to stamp the annexation papers. From then on, Japan radically changed Korean society, doing what colonialists do to their colonial subjects, oppressing them and siphoning resources. Japan's takeover of Korea set the stage for the Manchurian incident, where Japan sparked a minor conflict with China in 1931. Six years later, Japan sparked a bigger war, which lasted from 1937 to 1945. During this time, Japan had used Korean labor and Korean resources to fuel their war machine. They hunted down and killed any Korean independence activists during all this time, and mercilessly stomping out any uprisings in the peninsula. During one revolt, 7,500 Koreans were killed or executed. Eventually Japan ordered the end of Koreans teaching Korean and forced the Japanese language as the only language to be taught. Education of Korean history, language and literature were ended, and Korean cultural practices were banned. All but a select few Japan-aligned newspapers were banned. This is what we now call cultural genocide.

Korea was only liberated after the US had nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki on August 15th, 1945. Japan had colonized Korea for a total of 35 years now. So in a way, Korea sort of went through an existential crisis, where we could have been erased from history and be totally absorbed into the Japanese way of life. Yet we were liberated, had a civil war (2~3 million deaths), and became one of the top 15 economies by the turn of the 21st century. We were at the bottom of the economic rankings after the civil war, comparable to the countries in Africa at the time.

Note, Japan had ambitions to takeover Korea since the 1860s. Emperor Meiji explictly wanted Japan to takeover Korea as he modernized Japan during the Meiji Restoration. There were lots of minor conflicts between the 1860s to 1910, when Korea was annexed.
 
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