God as Unifier

[Black Rose]

Consciousness is the total of "what is" at the moment. It is singular. experience is the identity of the isolated subject.

God would be a single subject where all subjective moments were unified. That would mean God was One. All subjectivity together. This would be the transcendent. By expanding we may gain access to it. And interact.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Amen

 

[onesteptwostep]

Thats what spinoza said. More or less.

 

[Black Rose]

The question now, does God interact or passively observe. Where is the contact between the material and the transcendent to cause influence?

it would have to be through synchronicity where events are pulled together

external and internal

 

[EndogenousRebel]

With that logic God is only everything. Any subset of anything is not God. Are there gradients to this, are lesser things a part of God, or does God only emerge with everything?

Perhaps moments where we are wholly committed and focused on one task would be considered God-like, with the environment also making way for such actions adding to this.

Can this God exist in the many worlds theory? I don't think omnipotence is a given with this unifying premise.

 

[Black Rose]

With that logic God is only everything. Any subset of anything is not God. Are there gradients to this, are lesser things a part of God, or does God only emerge with everything?

Perhaps moments where we are wholly committed and focused on one task would be considered God-like, with the environment also making way for such actions adding to this.

Can this God exist in the many worlds theory? I don't think omnipotence is a given with this unifying premise.

We may ask which parts of reality do not contain consciousness or what is God not aware of. This creates a dualism. God is only aware of the consciousness of living creatures. And their path in the multiverse.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

How do these ideas interact with the idea of a benevolent god? Does he love everything or is there logic and motivation behind that "love"?

Is there a single attribute, consciousness that makes him love everything, or is it a collection of things?

 

[Black Rose]

How do these ideas interact with the idea of a benevolent god? Does he love everything or is there logic and motivation behind that "love"?

Is there a single attribute, consciousness that makes him love everything, or is it a collection of things?

Since God is aware of all consciousness the maximizing of good for all would be paramount. How God achieves this is dependent on "his" interface with reality.

 

[AntaresVII]

With that logic God is only everything.

Only? I think its a worthy consideration that unity of reality itself is the formation of God, and in that sense we and everything are all God, just with limited capacity of consciousness of our connected form in its entirety

God is only aware of the consciousness of living creatures.

Just to clarify, are you saying God is unaware of non-conscious entities altogether, or that God is only aware of the consciousnesses of entities with consciousness.
My confusion arises because the latter, which I think is the more likely option, seems rather tautological.

Also, AK, yes, I would love a pop-tart

 

[EndogenousRebel]

With that logic God is only everything.

Only? I think its a worthy consideration that unity of reality itself is the formation of God, and in that sense we and everything are all God, just with limited capacity of consciousness of our connected form in its entirety

Well, I was inquiring for more understanding on AKs POV. It's a logical contradiction though, no? Like, it leads to redundancy without say the clause that AK added that god must be conscious.

In that same vein, you bring up unity, which requires processes to fight entropy and consolidate everything into one closed system. Something that as seen in biology, doesn't require what most people define as conscious. Bacteria, are they conscious? Some sort of micro-consciousness?

What I'm trying to get at is, does God only emerge at the onset of coordination of all of reality into consciousness, or is it something that dormant or nonexistent until such a hypothetical situation were to happen?

 

[AntaresVII]

I mean, plenty of bacteria contribute to the existence of human consciousness, and don't seem aware or even capable of awareness of that greater unity of their being, so if God functions as the ultimate extension of that pattern I assume God's consciousness would be independent of the awareness of God's constituents that they contribute to it.

Or in other words, the coordination of consciousness does not seem to have to be something that the individual conscious entity is completely aware of beyond their own function in it.

 

[Black Rose]

God may be aware of unconscious things. Like I said dualism may or may not exist.

 

[DoIMustHaveAnUsername?]

God is insane and blind. One behind the multiplicitiy yet with fragmented personalities . The source of all good and the prime evil. Infinite but expresses itself in broken finity. Don't let any particular embodied (or formless) particularized entity fool you otherwise with their saintly presence. They are not God, or rather, they are as much God as any random animal. Some of them are demiurges. They pretend as if they are somehow "truer" expressions of God. Bah, as if there is some universal scale to define which is more "God-like". Be careful of those supernatural bureacrats.

 

[AntaresVII]

rather, they are as much God as any random animal

I agree, but I don't think that demeans anything or anyone, but rather asserts a reason to look on all parts of the whole that is God with equally high regard. A blade of grass has as much value as a world, and from the right reference point practically is one.

What is the evil that you consider God to possess? I would say the only evil is the failure to recognize that one is a part of God, and that everything else is, which is a problem that God as the whole presumably does not have.

 

[DoIMustHaveAnUsername?]

rather, they are as much God as any random animal

I agree, but I don't think that demeans anything or anyone, but rather asserts a reason to look on all parts of the whole that is God with equally high regard. A blade of grass has as much value as a world, and from the right reference point practically is one.

What is the evil that you consider God to possess? I would say the only evil is the failure to recognize that one is a part of God, and that everything else is, which is a problem that God as the whole presumably does not have.

I didn't mean to demean anyone, but deflate those who wants to stand above others and those who appears as "God" to others as if they are "The God" in some "exclusive" sense rather than being manifestations in God like everyone else.

By evil, I mean, it seems that the logos expresses itself in embodied forms in finite minds which becomes detached from home, submerged in ignorance, and an ocean of suffering. And if the Hindus or the Buddhists are right, this is one of the better (intermediate) state; with everything being much worse in "other planes". All for what? While we can try to justify that it is all for a "greater good" (theodicy), we can also justify otherwise (reverse theodicy). I doubt there is anything to it. The world is ambiguous; or perhaps, beyond good and evil, and God is probably not even a "moral" agent as a whole, even if it may express itself as moral agents in particularized finite forms.

 

[Black Rose]

By evil, I mean, it seems that the logos expresses itself in embodied forms in finite minds which becomes detached from home, submerged in ignorance, and an ocean of suffering.

God is fractured, but then where did the idea of a unified God come from?

I have had experiences of unification. Is that where it comes from. Isolated incidents.

what happens when we reach a flashpoint, where everything comes together.

 

[DoIMustHaveAnUsername?]

By evil, I mean, it seems that the logos expresses itself in embodied forms in finite minds which becomes detached from home, submerged in ignorance, and an ocean of suffering.

God is fractured, but then where did the idea of a unified God come from?

I have had experiences of unification. Is that where it comes from. Isolated incidents.

what happens when we reach a flashpoint, where everything comes together.

I didn't said God is not unified. There is a fragmentation within the unity but not violating the unity. It's not an either-or. I meantioned that there is oneness behind multiplicity, but that doesn't take away the fact of internal fragmentation, dissociation, and suffering. That I have to even write this out is an evidence of dissociation.

 

[Black Rose]

That I have to even write this out is an evidence of dissociation.

I had a schizophrenic break once where everything split in two. Everything was still there but separated.

 

[Black Rose]

Also, AK, yes, I would love a pop-tart

 

[Black Rose]

There is an asymmetry that allows things to move. Motion is fundamental to life. But we are connected by fields so might that be how we are united. It is stronger in some areas than in others so these asymmetries in field strength create separation. Entropy is the asymmetry of God's mental health.

 

[Beliefofmine]

The question now, does God interact or passively observe. Where is the contact between the material and the transcendent to cause influence?

it would have to be through synchronicity where events are pulled together

external and internal

I think you answered that with your first post.

Our individual consciousness makes up the collective consciousness which is god, therefore we are (part of) god. And therefore all of our actions, and the actions of everyone else, are interacting with that collective consciousness and influence it.

Now if you're asking if there's an additional "super consciousness" which exists outside the collective consciousness, and that controls the collective consciousness, that I don't think we can prove, unless we somehow were able to communicate with everyone simultaneously and prove that our collective actions didn't interact and affect some action, you could then imply that there must be an external force acting upon the collective.

I'd reason it's possible, but with lack of evidence, and lack of a means to prove it, I'd say it's less likely.

 

[Black Rose]

There is an abundance of psychological pressure where cracks form on the surface of the psyche. The psychotic break releases the pressure and reconsolidates its makeup.

The human being is trying to reconcile wholeness with fracturedness. The halo.

Growth means fracturing and becoming whole again.

The process in the halo becomes seamless. Transition is not psychotic, it's dreamlike.

We keep breaking over and over again. Trying to be whole.

In order to do that we need to reach into the unconscious.

The broken things are hidden. Crystalizes into beauty.

Also, it is in the slipstream.

That we communicate with other realities.

One binds to the cracks in one's life.

Looking for God is looking into the unconsciouse.