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Getting an ESTP wingman a good idea to attract girls?

Drvladivostok

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So recently I've been developing my social skills and charisma, tunned how I dress, put the brake on the incessant logic check, and have put my attention on growing my cognitive and mental empathy.

I've generally suceed in gaining more traction in the friendship and networking department, I've mostly able to use my quirkyness and witt to my advantage, when inside the conversation, I'm carefull and male sure to not over-extend myself in my social fluency, but instead relly on a good timing to insert a good and valid logical point in the matters at hand with an added joke or two, I find people appreciate this as long as the feedback doesn't go against their believe. When the time doesn't arise for me to make a point in the conversation I'd just mitigate it with making a quip here and there, if period of time pass when I can't insert my logical point in which I find there is a possible hint of awkwardness, I try to ask questions to the group/individual on a mutual topic that I was curious in and have a credible knowledge to inject my point.

Smoking increase my social energy, when no ciggarette is available I make sure to find some.

This has worked well, however I can't bring myself to act strategically when my intent is to gain a possible romantic partner of the opposite sex. I just think that there are too many unpredictable factors when trying to court the emotional side of girls, I don't know what they're cautious against, I don't know what kind of value they hold, when making a blunder in this sphere I'm mot sure what foot got stuck in the trap, they communicate in secret coded messages that's beyond my normal frequency. I think I'm just too carefull around them.

So I ask my ESTP friend to help me in this departmen, being well known in my circle as The Prince Charming; consumer of Virgins, he told me to act confidently and immidiately put attention to her needs and feelings, even when meeting her for the first time, always validate her emotions no matter what, use lying by ommission if you want to maintain your narrative, make use of your witt to control her emotions, etc etc. I found this rituals to be alien, silly, and somewhat unethical. I seem to have some instinct fot social fluency, but courting is very strange, its like learning a new language from nil.

But I guess I don't make the rule, do you guys think this is a good idea?
 

Puffy

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I'm in the same boat to be honest, in that courting is a language I don't really understand yet.

I think I'd ask yourself if your goals are the same as your friends. You describe him in such a way that it sounds like he pursues flings or casual relationships. Is that what you want? If he's successful in that department his advice is better than mine lol.

If you're looking to pursue more long-term relationships I imagine the love language and approach is slightly different. Lying to or manipulating someone's feelings doesn't sound like the best way to start a relationship with someone.
 

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what's this guy's credentials. Always validating her emotions? I don't think this guy actually knows anything about women
 

Drvladivostok

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what's this guy's credentials. Always validating her emotions? I don't think this guy actually knows anything about women
I've known this guy for all my life, a real witty playboy type, though reckless and impulsive, regardless of allignment towards my ethical standards he have given enough evidence to prove his ability.

I'm not gonna swallow everything he says, I just thought I'd take his input.
 

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- what do you need a relationship for .... insert reasons....
- finding someone who can supply that... insert person...
- what do they want from you .... insert their wants...

That seems to be all there is, lying just leads to situations where people get upset or hurt.

Also means you spend less time with people who actually do want you.

When it comes to just having lets say sex, then finding someone who just wants to have sex,...
.... when it comes to partnership then that requires knowing them a little before jumping on the same boat with them..

etc.

I assume you just want the sex part, so playboy practices are the thing.
The good thing is there are lots of playgirls.
 

dr froyd

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what's this guy's credentials. Always validating her emotions? I don't think this guy actually knows anything about women
I've known this guy for all my life, a real witty playboy type, though reckless and impulsive, regardless of allignment towards my ethical standards he have given enough evidence to prove his ability.

I'm not gonna swallow everything he says, I just thought I'd take his input.
yeah i think you should take some pointers from him but keep in mind that what works for one personality might be completely counterproductive for another when applied directly. And also women are very perceptive to incongruity so ultimately it should all be based on some authentic version of yourself.
 
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