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Why do they exist? Why the fuck do people want to make a bunch of videos where they display their own ignorance?

Like 90% of them are either trivial or inaccurate, 45% are made by people who haven't even typed themselves properly. 95% aren't well made even if they have a point.

There seriously needs to be a rule on youtube which requires you to categorize a video of yourself talking as such so that one can choose not to have those videos appear at all or unless they have a fuckton of views and a good up/downvote ratio.
 

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It might sound vane/obvious, however 90%, or more, of youtube content is either trivial and not worth watching or inaccurate and not worth watching.

Why do they exist? Why the fuck do people want to make a bunch of videos where they display their own ignorance?
Why do people live? Why do people go to work everyday?
There seriously needs to be a rule on youtube which requires you to categorize a video of yourself talking as such so that one can choose not to have those videos appear at all or unless they have a fuckton of views and a good up/downvote ratio.
There are measures, so that a popular video will appear more often in your feed, while disliked and abruptly watched ones are donwgraded in popularity.
 

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Like 90% of them are either trivial or inaccurate, 45% are made by people who haven't even typed themselves properly. 95% aren't well made even if they have a point.
blogs books youtube videos etc
 

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Contact the YouTube authorities and forward your request to them so they can implement your failsafe device, assuming it's for the greater good of the whole and not just one or a few people's elitist comfort.. If I had the time & resource I'd just comment on all of them myself and let them know what a poor job they're doing attempting to entertain or educate random passersby.
 

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Please make a video about it, bringing up specific examples of assholes who have typed themselves wrongly. Make a database of all the video's and their types, and go through the list and explain to us what you are thinking.
 

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Please make a video about it, bringing up specific examples of assholes who have typed themselves wrongly. Make a database of all the video's and their types, and go through the list and explain to us what you are thinking.

That's dumb why does he have to make a video just because his rant is about videos? He made a thread... it's an equally valid way to exchange ideas and information. What would it prove besides the fact that people who are inept at making videos should not make videos, which, is his original point in the first place.

Oh, so that's why you said he should do it, because it would be a clever and ironic way to show other people how bad their videos are! Good one!!

Make a database of all the video's and their types, and go through the list and explain to us what you are thinking.

My you're asking a lot for a little. In a video it's easier to hide your punctuation errors. Oh my point? You're not even worth the effort to receive two explanations for the same thing.
 

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It is a good one.

I would watch it and be entertained.

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and yet.... Here we are again basegroove.
 

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No I probably never will be.

But in the meantime I'll just...
 

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It doesn't really bother me I suppose, since I never have and never will use YouTube as an information resource for anything really.
 

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It doesn't really bother me I suppose, since I never have and never will use YouTube as an information resource for anything really.

A little short-sighted, don't you think...?

Considering you can find instructions for nearly any category of task, anything from fixing computers to fixing cars and everything in between (including music lessons)?
 

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Instructions and tasks are hardly the sort of information I'm interested in. In fact, if I already knew how to fix my computer in an easy step-by-step method, I'd probably never fix it. If I'm just following a blueprint, it's boring. I'm not so attached that I need to fix it, and since fixing it via imitating the methods of another is boring, I'd rather do something that's not (boring) instead.

So the fact that there's instructions for any task doesn't really mean anything to me, since I don't do, 'tasks'.

Music lessons is a somewhat better argument to me, although still relatively mundane. I remember looking on YT once for information about developing a feel for drumming in 7/8. What I got was a bunch of Vinnie Colaiuta/Steve Gadd impersonations which didn't really hold my interest, since I'm not interested in imitating great drummers to sound, 'cool', I'm interested in actually learning how to play in 7/8, in a way that allows me to express. That's really the only thing I care about when it comes to music, is staying true to my own individual expression - something I can't achieve by watching a bunch of YT videos.

So I got bored and realised I was wasting my time, then decided that the best way for me to learn was to design my own method of practising and learning, which I did, and which I thoroughly enjoyed the process of - because I had to actually learn everything from the ground up. It wasn't difficult either, and it makes me wonder why I ever bothered to look it up in the first place.
 

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Thing is there can be a point to watching someone talk about a subject like MBTI in the same way that lectures have a point to them. The problem is that you have to skim through a bunch of retards who don't know shit, and that's not even the main problem. It's the fucking dunning Kruger+narcissistic attention-whoring that bugs me, fucking people man. When it comes to MBTI-videos most claim to be and seem like they are introverts and they still do it. They need to be punished in some way for this to restore the cosmic moral equilibrium.
 

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I'll just rephrase that a bit....

and, voila

shortsighted!

FWIW I have a laptop that needs about 3h of attention, I could use YouTube to work through it, I have almost all the parts ... and it's been sitting for 3 years.
 

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You're actually an idiot.
 

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Instruction tasks aren't really everything, there's plenty of good material, I listened through a terms worth of lectures on psychology from berkeley while I was handing advertising papers this summer for instance. Youtube has definite potential, the bullshit shit videos only ruin it because you have to wade through them. It would be naive to assume that one would get the same kind of information from reading a text than one would from listening to and/or watching a person talk. If that was the case no university would ever hold lectures.

And why make your case based on an example in which you don't actually have a direct need to fix something? What if your goddamn computer broke down and you had none other and you had to have it cause else your mother would die and you simply couldnt fix it yourself?

In any case the point of this thread is just that the human condition is revolting, youtube -like everything else tainted by the touch of the common man- remains in a fetal stage with its potential perpetually unrealized.

The common man must be punished, the master race must reign supreme. Justice, honor, truth etc
 

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MBTI is a success because of the common man, not despite of them. It allows for the common man to feel special and unique while sitting in their unsheeted bed with cheese pops.

I actually quite enjoy agreeing with many of your negative outbursts Cherry. I often read them with a smile. Don't you find some pleasure in it? What would you do without the common man?
 

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Be in peace among brothers and sisters, as we dance in ecstacy at the advent of rationality. That it would grate us at last as humanity is relieved of its taint, never to be sullied again by miry nescience.

Remember that while MBTI may be a success because of the common man -although its originator CG Jung was not one- it is a success to the common man because of its oraculous presentation. Like astrology and aphorism, false dollars of wisdom to those in cognitive poverty. It feels good that must mean it's right, where do we come from, where are we going, what are we? Ah, to be relieved of doubt, by being assigned! Be it type, god, purpose, though preferably all of them.

This is why MBTI needs to be redesigned to spot people taking the test who are fucking stupid and need to be assigned a special type; whereafter, they shall no longer have any human rights and be sent of to plow the fields and mine the depths til their flesh expires.
 

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Arbiter of the significant, Christopher Hitchens spoke with words that rang with truth so sublime that it was if though their origin was of the divine nature whose existence they renounced with gracious force. Among other things he said:

"I think that hatred ... is a terrific way of getting you out of bed in the morning and keeping you going. If you don't let it get out of hand, it can be canalized into writing. In this country where people love to be nonjudgmental ... there are an awful lot of bubble reputations floating around that one wouldn't be doing one's job if one didn't itch to prick."

May the nonjudgmental be rendered the sheep they are, may they be clad in skin befitting their ignorance in order that they be recognized as lowly beasts; their privileges must perish, and their silly shrines of reverence should be set on fire.
 

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In any superficial culture, hatred has to be taboo. People must over exaggerate their capacity for love while regarding hatred as a self limiting thought. Self Help Gurus and Positive Psychology naturally strive in such cultures. It's a perfect recipe for intellectual ignorance and narcissistic ego boosting.

In its essence, hatred can be just as positive as love and vice versa.
 

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In any superficial culture, hatred has to be taboo. People must over exaggerate their capacity for love while regarding hatred as a self limiting thought. Self Help Gurus and Positive Psychology naturally strive in such cultures. It's a perfect recipe for intellectual ignorance and narcissistic ego boosting.

So the tidal wave amasses, hidden below the surface. Until at last no face can hide the great lie any longer; the ether has gone tense - permeated with exasperation suffused in an instant, hence cometh the fall of the west.

But yeah jesus christ the lies you are told as you grow up, humanity is brilliant, most people are nice, grownups know whats best, we have experts who decide whats best for people, miracle of democracy, hitler was a bad man there must never be another hitler therefore read these historical facts about what hitler did instead of fucking understanding why yadayada
 

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I am quite annoyed with YT vids atm. I have seen dozens of INTP people clumsily try to express themselves and failing miserably. I feel replacement shame when I see them make idiots out of themselves.

Some people actually seem to have just leapt out of bed and are yawning, scratching and it surprises me some people haven't gone so far as to take their laptop into the bathroom.

They have no structure to what they are trying to express, cannot find even the most basic words to simply state something of any use. The only thing they come up with is 'it is like...well, it is hard to express...' Well idiots, if you cannot express yourself why bother uploading anything and wasting my time?

At least have the decency to be structured about it. Is it somehow illegal to scribble a few things on paper so you can go point by point? Is it that hard to organize your thoughts?

I am not sure these are actual INTP people. They seem to behave on YT as if, like, we are all their closest friends, like. But it is hard to say, really, eeemmmmmmm.

But anyway, it is kinda, like, this, but then again, it is hard to say, it could be that too and I just don't really know wtf I am wasting your time with, so goodbye YT!!!'

:beatyou:
 

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But yeah jesus christ the lies you are told as you grow up, humanity is brilliant, most people are nice, grownups know whats best, we have experts who decide whats best for people, miracle of democracy, hitler was a bad man there must never be another hitler therefore read these historical facts about what hitler did instead of fucking understanding why yadayada

These are not lies. more like half truths.

As far as YT videos go, I Its just one of many resources for people to EXPLORE the idea of type. Anyone serous about it will take what they see with a grain of salt. I personally feel these amateurish videos are at least raw and authentic. I am not sold on presentation, I am a bit suspicious of something that may be superficially produced. I would rather pick a specific YT video and have the members here discuss the video subject in terms of speech patterns, mannerisms, etc... point out that is and is not typical intp behavior and identify what it really is.
It would be interesting to see how many of us can come to a consensus about what type a person is in the YT video.
 

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Why do they exist?
Because some people think they know more about MBTI than others, the same as you think you know more about MBTI than most of the people who made those videos.

Why the fuck do people want to make a bunch of videos where they display their own ignorance?
The videos that I've seen are pretty consistent with what can be seen that is consistent with most people who claim to be of that type.

Like 90% of them are either trivial or inaccurate, 45% are made by people who haven't even typed themselves properly. 95% aren't well made even if they have a point.

There seriously needs to be a rule on youtube which requires you to categorize a video of yourself talking as such so that one can choose not to have those videos appear at all or unless they have a fuckton of views and a good up/downvote ratio.
Sounds like an Ni-dom idealising again, and according to her own values/ideas. Classic Ni-dom behaviour. If it's already working, they have to find a fault with it. If it's working at 100% capacity, they say it should be working at 110. Don't matter what you do, or how well you do it. In their eyes, you're always at fault. Might as well ignore them, because if you listen to them, you'll end up feeling like such a failure, you'll give up before you start.

Honestly, someone ought to do a study of what common characteristics are present in homes with a strong Ni-dom that has influence over the rest of the house members, compared to houses without such individuals. Would show a lot of interesting psychological dynamics, and ones that we could easily learn from.
 

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in fact he has point carry chola

use inferior Se to absorb his fact
 

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YouTube is cool. Just search for content you like. There are lots of lectures from Stanford University. Like somewhat advanced physics stuff such as statistical mechanics, cosmology etc. Me likes. A lot.

About MBTI: it is hard to find your type. It took me a while to understand my extraversion, huge lack of Sensing (it is really bad) and secondary introverted thinking. People shold be more sceptical and analyze a bit more but it is not going to happen. Reflects our time.
 

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What? I know this thread is pretty pointless, all it does is whine and rage about youtubers when they are just one incarnation among many of the fact that people are stupid, and that in turn is also pretty pointless to mull over.

The thing is it can be good to channel rage unto pointless stuff like the stupidity of youtubers. Just to get it out of your system without doing anyone any harm.

Of course such long range pragmatism is alien to most INTPs who would rather live under the false pretense of being wholly rational, that's why you suck at dealing with emotional matters.

Yes, YouTube is cool, but that doesnt make the uncool videos of YouTube any less so. It doesn't change the fact that people who upload rambling videos featuring themselves and a topic they have no understanding of should be sent away to a faraway island with no Internet.
 

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thou shallt not emote

unless proper receptacle of emote has been singularly determined

that is to say: the true cause behind instinctual drive of alienation

the final deconstruction
 

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Honestly, someone ought to do a study of what common characteristics are present in homes with a strong Ni-dom that has influence over the rest of the house members, compared to houses without such individuals. Would show a lot of interesting psychological dynamics, and ones that we could easily learn from.

I believe you're right about this.
 

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Goddamnit can someone explain the point please? Also what do you propose the dynamics in a strong Ni dom home might be in contrast to others? What is being implied?

My dad is an Ni-dom and while he was never domineering he was the one who was the most boss in the household, still I cannot really come up with anything that stood out in the effect he had. He could answer all the questions you asked and always seemed very certain of the way things were, how the world worked and all that. But he had and still hasn't got the ability to keep his desk or anything else in order. He never had huge expectations on me or my 3 siblings nor did he shoot down small victories.

But that probs has nothing to do with what is going on here bah, and he is just 1 dude. Sure Ni-Doms are caught in a perpetuated state of dissatisfaction but how is that any different from any other type? Ne-doms can't stop bouncing ideas. Ji doms can't stop judging. Si doms always think that the world would be better of if it resembled their own fantasyland more.
 

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Goddamnit can someone explain the point please? Also what do you propose the dynamics in a strong Ni dom home might be in contrast to others? What is being implied?

My dad is an Ni-dom and while he was never domineering he was the one who was the most boss in the household, still I cannot really come up with anything that stood out in the effect he had. He could answer all the questions you asked and always seemed very certain of the way things were, how the world worked and all that.

Well this is step one toward unraveling the mystery behind Scorpio's reasoning.

He mentioned some other key indicators however you treated them as ad hominems unworthy of further discussion. I doubt you're being blamed for it, though. On another revision, Scorpio's first post that sparked this tangent had spite woven into every unoccupied space of text . . .

Try to look at it more objectively. 'Domineering' traits are potentially comorbid but not an underlying factor.
 

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plz let me know when this is figured out
Sounds like an Ni-dom idealising again, and according to her own values/ideas. Classic Ni-dom behaviour. If it's already working, they have to find a fault with it. If it's working at 100% capacity, they say it should be working at 110. Don't matter what you do, or how well you do it. In their eyes, you're always at fault. Might as well ignore them, because if you listen to them, you'll end up feeling like such a failure, you'll give up before you start.

Honestly, someone ought to do a study of what common characteristics are present in homes with a strong Ni-dom that has influence over the rest of the house members, compared to houses without such individuals. Would show a lot of interesting psychological dynamics, and ones that we could easily learn from.

Not really complicated, it's all plain and clear describing or attempting to describe an interaction of a Ni user with the outside content and other individuals.
 

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Not really complicated, it's all plain and clear describing or attempting to describe an interaction of a Ni user with the outside content and other individuals.

Not this specific post.


...everything else. (it was a quip on our history)
 

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plz let me know when this is figured out

Maybe you ought to let me know when you figure it out; your emperor-like attitude can become tiresome and repetitive when you fail to show evidence of a brain/thinking process to back it up. Links to websites you've 'read' or walls of text of information you're regurgitating don't really count.

You shouldn't need to ask for explanations.

It's figured out. Scorpio has biases against Ni types which take the following form:

- They have idealized versions of changes they'd like to see in the structure of reality
- They can be single-minded and merciless in pursuit of their idealized visions

There is also this:

Scorpio and CC constantly battle it out and never see eye to eye. Scorpio's always picking away underneath CC's skin and making it too personal but at the same time the things he says are somewhat accurate on a meta-level.

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How is this different from Si-types? That's what I want to know. What in particular characterizes INJ types as having these attributes to a stronger or higher degree than ISJ types?

(This is where we all try to think of an answer based on the evidence instead of demanding one from another poster like fucking brainless copepods).
 

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You read 11 fiction books faster dan i expected :elephant:

No I am 3/4 way thru the fiction book called Three Roads to Quantum Gravity. Those books will take me half a year to read especially if I keep posting here. Thank you for helping me remember why I'm trying to quit ;-)

At any rate, I don't get what's the deal with bashing fiction anyway? How else am I supposed to bask in the collective unconscious? I don't see how it's any different from anything that gets talked about here? It's about feeding your mind with information. Ni is not selective about the information the way Ti is. Your snobbishness with regards to the genre of books I read is simply characteristic of the narrower/ more intellectual viewpoint afforded by Ti when compared to Ni however it says nothing about the inherent ability or intellectualism of the person itself, something which I'd argue is more accurately reflected by the things such a person can produce rather than what they consume.

Besides a good number (almost all) of these authors are probably Ni-doms
 

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Well this is step one toward unraveling the mystery behind Scorpio's reasoning.

He mentioned some other key indicators however you treated them as ad hominems unworthy of further discussion. I doubt you're being blamed for it, though. On another revision, Scorpio's first post that sparked this tangent had spite woven into every unoccupied space of text . . .

Try to look at it more objectively. 'Domineering' traits are potentially comorbid but not an underlying factor.

That's because as previously mentioned the purpose of the thread is base hating or ventilation, whatever you want to call it. Furthermore, youtubers and their doings are too stupid for pointing that out to serve as an example of Ni-perfectionism.

I treated his points as ad-homs because he chose to make them in this context where they are misapplied and beside the point.

I've never felt like Scorpio has gotten too personal , yes he annoys me a lot of the time and I probably do something of the same to him. But he has never really tried any character murder or done something that has struck me as deliberately trying to hurt me. Being told I too have the downsides common to Ni-doms when I am an Ni-dom hardly constitutes much of a personal assault, what is annoying about it is that it lacks specificity and is a goddamn tautology from which there is little knowledge to be harnessed.

And that's not something I'm saying solely to diss Scorpio. I think I can get too personal, whereas Scorpio seems to have better self control or is simply nicer as a person in ways, because he doesn't lash out like that as far as I know.

Your saying that Scorpio is getting under my skin (and your general description of the nature of our interactions) when I don't think he is does get under my skin though. I hate that type of statement because there is no way to effectively reject it without appearing to care too much about it and hence confirm it in the eyes of whoever made it.

I think one reason why he doesn't get under my skin is that I haven't attempted to picture him as a person which is something I do with most people, indeed with everyone who does get under my skin.

Honestly I Ni dom parents are more likely to praise effort and intention than are Ji doms, hence promoting personal growth. At the same time I guess they can loom over you.
 

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My dad is an Ni-dom and while he was never domineering he was the one who was the most boss in the household, still I cannot really come up with anything that stood out in the effect he had. He could answer all the questions you asked and always seemed very certain of the way things were, how the world worked and all that. But he had and still hasn't got the ability to keep his desk or anything else in order. He never had huge expectations on me or my 3 siblings nor did he shoot down small victories.
My experiences with Ni-doms have been that they tend to be domineering, to the point where almost no-one else will tell them, except for those who have actually hit them physically, more than once, and whom they are afraid of. I've seen the same type of domineering nature all over INTJf.

Goddamnit can someone explain the point please?
I had considered that, seeing as many others here seem not so bothered about INTJs, there had to be a reason for it. It could be that they simply did not grow up with Ni-doms, and don't know them that well. It could also be that my experiences were not the norm. Out of consideration for yourself, that it would be unfair to damn you outright, I thought that an objective and impartial study could settle the matter without bias of personal type or past experiences interfering.

Sure Ni-Doms are caught in a perpetuated state of dissatisfaction but how is that any different from any other type?
Most types aren't. Even when they are dissatisfied, they are unlikely to voice such dissatisfaction.

Ne-doms can't stop bouncing ideas.
Not dissatisfaction.

Ji doms can't stop judging.
THEMSELVES. That's why they are called Perceivers, from the verb "to perceive", which means to understand, and and Ni-doms are called Judgers, from the verb "to judge". Perceivers try to understand others. Judgers just try to judge others, usually in a negative and unwarranted fashion.

Si doms always think that the world would be better of if it resembled their own fantasyland more.
Si-doms are about dealing with the data that comes from their senses, what you can see, hear, smell, taste and touch. They deal with what IS.

Ni-doms are about dealing with what comes from their imaginations, i.e. fantasy. The reason that Ni-doms so often voice dissatisfaction, but others don't, is that others are not stupid. Things don't just happen for no reason. If something makes sense, then it will only get held back because of some other reason that also countermands it, like that the idea sounds good in theory, but isn't feasible, for practical reasons. Ni-doms often tend to ignore all those little details, and thus keep complaining.

Also what do you propose the dynamics in a strong Ni dom home might be in contrast to others? What is being implied?
It depends on the home. But an Ni is an INxJ. That is, that he would try to dominate others, like any J, but using his own ideas that the rest of his family are unfamiliar with, and thus have little reason to trust, and, being an introvert, he would not open a group discussion that would allow others to voice their concerns, and would be unlikely to respond to pleas that his goals are going to cause serious harm. Could lead to anything from benevolent dictator to totalitarian dictatorship.

Or, maybe not.
 

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It's figured out. Scorpio has biases against Ni types which take the following form:

- They have idealized versions of changes they'd like to see in the structure of reality
- They can be single-minded and merciless in pursuit of their idealized visions
I just had a bad set of experiences, which taught me that the approach that normally works with most people, other than stupid thugs, doesn't work with Ni-doms. It just seems to make them act more and more thuggish.

Neither can I afford to use my mental will to battle with them and stand up to them, because they take an interminably long time to come to reason, far longer than it would take an incompetent person to do the job himself, and when they do finally cave, they seem to completely collapse internally. It's like watching someone lose all will to live. They're useless once that happens.

There is also this:

Scorpio and CC constantly battle it out and never see eye to eye. Scorpio's always picking away underneath CC's skin and making it too personal but at the same time the things he says are somewhat accurate on a meta-level.
My communication skills are building, but slowly. This is almost about as good as it's got, so far, short of shutting up, and waiting until the person realises it on his own, without any intervention from me.

How is this different from Si-types? That's what I want to know. What in particular characterizes INJ types as having these attributes to a stronger or higher degree than ISJ types?
Sensors like to stick with what they are familar with, what they know well, what is tried and tested.

ISxJ types can be even more domineering. But at least when you do have questions on how to do the details, they have the answers, because they'll stick to things they know very well, and have a lot of experience of, and at least when you do do what they say, then it usually does what was required, because they stick to things which are tried and tested, and which they personally have a lot of experience that shows it works.

When an INxJ tells you what to do, it has the advantage of novelty, and something that you've likely not heard of before. It has the disadvantage of being untried, untested, or tested very little, and so has a high chance of blowing up in your face, and in addition, since it's unfamilar to the INxJ, he won't have all the answers. So his instructions will be unclear, will leave out very important details, and will often leave you at best without a clear way of how to fulfil the INxJ's instructions, or at worst, with a set of instructions that are bound to fail and harm all those who have anything to do with it.

INxJs are great if you need someone to come up with a cool new use for a computer, and you're prepared to have him come up with 20 projects, where only one will be a success, but you'll make millions off of it.

In a home life, you need stability and trust.
 

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This description is accurate for male IxTJs with issues. In general Ni-doms promote individualistic thinking and behavior in their kids. You seem to have some big issue with Ni-doms, you also seem to be an Ni-dom. INTJf is infested with ISTJs. ISTJs carea lot about the way the world should be, and they lack insight into both themselves and abstract matters, they are perfect candidates for mistyping as NT's and going onto some MBTI boards where they will be accepted as INTJs because they grew up with the internet and people picture ISTJs as conservative backwards strivers.

A Pi-dom for sure. In all our discussions you keep pointing things out to me as if I was an idiot, the thing is that what you point out almost always hinges on a particular nuance of meaning of some particular word which you use in the general context but expect to be read in just the way you mean it. Or you point out what you consider the meaning of some term and then let that constitute the logical form of your argument in some strange tautology (THEMSELVES. That's why they are called Perceivers. <- followed by yet another claim that is both biased and categorical) Ti is at work; it's not dominant. INFJ or ISFJ for sure.

In any case could you please specify what you mean by dissatisfaction? Okay so the stuff I listed apparently isn't dissatisfaction but what sets dissatisfaction apart then?
 

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This description is accurate for male IxTJs with issues.
You think females can't have issues?

In general Ni-doms promote individualistic thinking and behavior in their kids.
You know this how? Because Ni-doms are so open to all the alternatives suggested by IxNPs?

You seem to have some big issue with Ni-doms,
I grew up with some people who had the characteristics described about INxJs, and some who did not.

you also seem to be an Ni-dom.
Hah. Amusing. Doesn't matter to me anymore. I've been called INTJ, ISFJ, INFP, and INFJ, all by people who I was in an argument with, similar to now with you. Strangely enough, I've not really gotten such comments otherwise. After I was called an ISFJ in the midst of an argument I got fed up of it, and started a thread on INTJf, to see what others said. The majority said that I was clearly an INTP.

INTJf is infested with ISTJs.
I've noticed.

ISTJs carea lot about the way the world should be,
As Jung explained, Sensation is about what is, not what should be. ISTJs are sticklers for pointing out when others are not following the rules that everyone had already agreed to stick to. That's what makes them such good health & safety inspectors, and is why Kiersey called the the Inspectors.

INTJs are all about efficiency, what things should be, if we achieved the optimal practical ideal. I leave it to you, to fill in the blanks for INFJs.

and they lack insight into both themselves and abstract matters,
ISTJs usually have good understanding of themselves. They're also excellent at mathematics, accounting, and anything else that is abstract, that has a practical application. Also excellent at history, the understanding of which requires solid abstract reasoning. They don't seem to care for Sci-Fi, fantasy, or pontifications that don't seem to have a solid feasible prototype that shows they can work.

they are perfect candidates for mistyping as NT's
I found that it's really easy to spot the differences between NTs and STs, as long as I remember that MBTI and Jungian psychological typing is about typing of the psyche, how someone thinks on a core component level, and not how those core components of reasoning can combine to result in cookie-cutter categorisation by behaviour. E.G. "A European is an atheist. Atheism is conventional in Europe. Intuitives are unconventional. Therefore, the person must not be an Intuitive."

and going onto some MBTI boards where they will be accepted as INTJs because they grew up with the internet and people picture ISTJs as conservative backwards strivers.
More that lots of people think that ISTJs lack insight into both themselves and abstract matters, and come to the conclusion that anyone interested in science or rational thinking, must be an NT.

A Pi-dom for sure. In all our discussions you keep pointing things out to me as if I was an idiot,
I rely on the rule of equivalency a lot. If something is true for you in your perspective, then it should be true for everyone else from everyone else's perspective. If you think it would be idiotic to claim that atheists are stupid or irrational, because we have clear evidence that many scientists were atheists, then you think it would be idiotic to claim that religious theists are stupid or irrational, because we have clear evidence that many scientists were religious theists. If you can't handle that, then just don't say things that will cause you to be given a dose of your own medicine.

If I come across a bit abrasive, then I apologise. I'm still learning how to communicate with Ni-doms, without coming across as passively agreeing to every idiotic thing they say, and without coming across too aggressive. It's difficult to get a balance with them, because they just don't seem to have clear definitive rules of behaviour, like most people do in real life, and like forum rules on the internet.

the thing is that what you point out almost always hinges on a particular nuance of meaning of some particular word which you use in the general context but expect to be read in just the way you mean it.
Theories are evaluated in science, and in everything else, by how well they fit the data. Either your ideas fit the data better than any other possible alternative, or they don't. What you want to believe, and what you've heard a lot of people saying as jokes on TV, doesn't count. They're said on TV because people are looking to NOT think while watching TV.

Or you point out what you consider the meaning of some term and then let that constitute the logical form of your argument in some strange tautology (THEMSELVES. That's why they are called Perceivers. <- followed by yet another claim that is both biased and categorical) Ti is at work; it's not dominant. INFJ or ISFJ for sure.
I learned to develop my Ne, and then my Si. Solid facts (Si) + solid logic (Ti) can often result in solid conclusions, conclusions that cannot be beat.

In any case could you please specify what you mean by dissatisfaction? Okay so the stuff I listed apparently isn't dissatisfaction but what sets dissatisfaction apart then?
You used the word, intuitively. You must have realised that "bouncing ideas" wasn't what you meant by "dissatisfaction". What did you think it meant?

You might have imagined that expressing that Ni-doms express "dissatisfaction" would not lead to any conclusions that you would NOT like. But everything has a good side and a bad side. A hammer can build a house, or smash in a skull. In the same way, there's a good side to expressing dissatisfaction, and there's a bad side. I only mention the bad side, when it's fairly clear to me, that someone is focussing only on the good side, and forgetting about the bad side, and if they remembered about the bad side, they'd probably prefer to keep their mouth shut. That way, they have a chance of saying "my bad", and correcting their error.

It's a human thing, to err, and thus, a mature human has no problem admitting to the occasional fault.
 

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You extravert judging even more than me and Base Groove though. You are also hopelessly biased in favour of INTPs to the point that it's pointless for me to even bother with you because you're categorically dismissing everything I say based on my type.

You are also mistaken in thinking that I would not know the bad sides of Ni, I bullied my younger siblings when I was younger (I have 3 of them, I am the oldest child), not brutally and I also helped them out played with them watched them etc, still it was unnecessary and pathetic. I very much regret and feel shame when it comes to that. I have also had rotten experiences with more than Ni-dom very close to me.

"A Pi-dom for sure. In all our discussions you keep pointing things out to me as if I was an idiot,
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^followed by a reply that doesn't deal with what I wrote. Geez.
 

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You are also mistaken in thinking that I would not know the bad sides of Ni, I bullied my younger siblings when I was younger (I have 3 of them, I am the oldest child), not brutally and I also helped them out played with them watched them etc, still it was unnecessary and pathetic. I very much regret and feel shame when it comes to that. I have also had rotten experiences with more than Ni-dom very close to me.
Now I know why I didn't have a problem with Base Groove.

Find another way to boost your self-esteem. Exercise. Energy drinks. Fiction. ANYTHING.
 
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