Fuck Christmas

[Toad]

God damn i hate christmas. Not because I'm anti-religious, but because of the social obligations. I HATE buying presents almost as much as I hate receiving them. I never know wut to get ppl. My presents are always either too extravagant or too cheap. I also hate stuff ppl buy for me. I never use any of it. Christmas is such a corporate holiday now. We all spend hundreds of dollars buying gifts that ppl don't even like. I hate having to make that fake surprised happy face when I open a gift. Then there's that awkwardness when u forget to buy someone something or when somebody forgets u...

God I hate Christmas...

 

[RobertJ]

Yeah, Christmas fuckin blows. I actually despise Thanksgiving even more, though. I really don't understand that holiday. Just what America needs is a holiday centered around eating as much as you possibly can and then some. It's disgusting.
Worst of all though is the obligation about seeing your family.
There are way too many kids/babies running around and people I don't like pretending to be interested in my life. The extent of my communication with them is "yes", "no", "okay". At least it minimizes interaction.

 

[Minuend]

Hmm, I'm not planning to celebrrate Christmas this year. I'm planning on sitting in my apartment alone. Christmas have no value to me. I think it will be a bit hard on my family, though. They are very fond of traditions. Even my friend is horrified. But it just means nothing to me, exchanging material goods means nothing to me. I'm a student. so my family spends more money on me than me on them. That's not fair. Also, when I celebrate at home, I have to show the correct emotional response. That's very uncomfortable. My emotions are on the INSIDE.

 

[JoeJoe]

Oh, I just talked about this today with a classmate.

At the moment I don't like christmas, because of presents and social gettogether and all that. I'm pretty sure that I will drop christmas now and again when I'm grown up. But I imagine it can be a lot of fun if you choose yourself who you celebrate it with, maybe even better, if you agree on not getting presents for each other...

I'm pretty sure that one day I will find people with whom I can have a christmas eve I can fully enjoy...

 

[Rain]

I enjoy the presents, since, as I am still a minor, I do enjoy the no obligation to buy presents for adults. Apparently it is expected that I get gifts for all of my cousins and siblings though. I believe the most horrid part of it all is the "family meal" where you must sit with all of these repulsive and detestable individuals and pretend to care about their petty, boring, and incessantly annoying lives.

 

[preilemus]

i like christmas...
but then again, im not obligated to buy anyone anything. perhaps ill like it less in a few years

 

[Claverhouse]

There must be no more delightful a guest than an INTP at Christmas.




Claverhouse

 

[Toad]

I actually enjoy the "gettogtherness" and eating a big huge dinner. But this year, I am abstaining from alcohol, so all social holidays are going to be fucked up for me now. I might just skip Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years. There is no point if I have to be around people...sober...

I do enjoy free food though...

Addition: I also hate how fake people are around the holidays. All of a sudden enemies become friends just because little baby Jesus was born on that day? :Puke:

Even I become somewhat fake when being around all that fakeness. It's contagious! My lips curve up into a smile and my voice gets just a bit higher. So I look like a retarded version of The Joker and a chipmunk. At the end of the day, I look back on my actions and I feel disgusted...

SJ's seem to love the holidays though.

 

[Kidege]

I like it just fine, but at home we just decorate a 1ft tall plastic tree, and put little figurines around it, while we discuss mythology. Then we dine (can be highly special dishes or can be sandwiches), and we wonder that we're alive.

No presents, no pressure. Just calm discussions and togetherness.

*is lucky*

 

[Toad]

I like it just fine, but at home we just decorate a 1ft tall plastic tree, and put little figurines around it, while we discuss mythology. Then we dine (can be highly special dishes or can be sandwiches), and we wonder that we're alive.

No presents, no pressure. Just calm discussions and togetherness.

*is lucky*

That sounds really nice...it really does. That's what Christmas should be about...just enjoying each others' company.

 

[Minuend]

I don't mind the company of my family either. We usually play board games, it's quite enjoyable. They are nice people. Mostly.

I'm going home on the first Christmas day. (We open presents the evening of 24th). So, it's not like I'm going to miss out on all the gatherings. I actually look foreward to that.

 

[Waterstiller]

I think I'm just going to write letters to everyone in my family this year. I do like the idea of giving gifts though; small, thoughtful, and inexpensive. I come up with things I want to give my girlfriend *all the time*.

And I actually really like my mom's side of the family. They're always drunk and my cousins are pretty cool. When I get overwhelmed I just leave to read a book.

The only thing I don't like is the food on these occasions. There's either meat or TONS of butter in everything. Oh.. and I hate the tie-in with religion and the entire idea of thanksgiving.

There should be more holidays like Halloween.

 

[Tunesimah]

I really really loathe many aspects of Christmas. I hate the mass consumerism... and that people are buying each other gifts who have really no clue what the holiday is about... or at least are indifferent.

Getting together with family... fine. Celebrating an important religious event... fine. A holiday for the winter time... fine. Some light decorating... fine.

Everything else... hate it all.

 

[Cavallier]

Christmas is a Giant Screwed Up Reciprocity Scale. I've never really liked Christmas and now that I work retail during Christmas I've discovered a whole new level of Christmas related hell.

*is lucky*

You are lucky indeed Kidege. Though I'm dying with curiosity...what are the little figurines of? Is it like a pagan/spiritual kind of thing or is it like infants of the savior type? Funny little gnomes maybe? Small adorable bunnies feeding on the corpses of anthropomorphic personifications of the blessings we are to receive during the holidays?

I've always enjoyed the food and camaraderie of a good old fashioned feast for which everybody cooks/bakes something. The only gifts I can really accept and enjoy are the food kind. It shows a level of love that just doesn't translate with cards and bits of cheap plastic crap. If somebody gives me food they've shown me they care about my health and well-being. When I give food it means I've taken time and care to show the receiver that I'm there for them. I feed my loved ones when they are hungry and shelter them when they are weary sort of thing.

Maybe I should celebrate Yule this year...

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I've never really liked Christmas and now that I work retail during Christmas I've discovered a whole new level of Christmas related hell.

Been there. And in a shopping mall no less. The only thing that made it tolerable was owning the business and knowing I got to keep the money instead of making an hourly wage. Wouldn't do it again though. 3 years was enough.

This x-mas I'll cook the traditional feast for the family and then we'll play games. Not much of a gift exchange this year.

 

[Cavallier]

Been there. And in a shopping mall no less. The only thing that made it tolerable was owning the business and knowing I got to keep the money instead of making an hourly wage. Wouldn't do it again though. 3 years was enough.

This x-mas I'll cook the traditional feast for the family and then we'll play games. Not much of a gift exchange this year.

I get hourly, this is my third year, and I secretly wonder if this is the year I finally snap and break somebody's nose.

What kind of games does IB play one wonders...

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

What kind of games does IB play one wonders...

Well it's with the family so I'll be lucky if it's only Pictionary. Last year it was Cranium and Conasta.

 

[Toad]

LoL. I played Pictionary last year. It was the best part of Christmas.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

LoL. I played Pictionary last year. It was the best part of Christmas.

My condolences. Pictionary is better than Cranium though by a long shot. At least with Pictionary you don't have to hum some old Pop song from the 70s to your dad knowing he'll never guess it.

 

[Kuu]

I relate a lot to the OP in this thread. Forced presents are the worst, on any holiday. A true present is spontaneous and not necessarily something store-bought. Together with the fact that I had to travel to another place to be trapped inside an uncles' house without any privacy and forced to extrovert 24/7... It was, to understate it, horrible. Fortunately as the family has grown older and dispersed the christmas celebrations have died down.

A couple of years ago I just refused to buy presents (which my sister always picked anyway, as she still does with our parent's birthdays). Of course everyone was pissed, but I was happy for a change. Since then, I have continued to not buy anything and the whole expectation of me buying presents has entirely disappeared. If you don't believe in the greatest holiday of capitalism, then don't give into it because of social pressures. Fuck their traditions, I need to be respected too!

 

[echoplex]

I share your feelings, but why now? It's only October! Actually, that may be the thing that most annoys me about Christmas -- that I'm forced to hear about it for 2+ months starting in October. Thanks Toad, I can already imagine the annoying jingles and distracting talk of wasting money on gifts that will end up in the closet by July. Ah yes, if only it would snow right now I would burst with joy.

That said, I don't mind spending time with (some) relatives, it's just the pressure to get gifts and be... jolly or whatever that bothers me. The whole season just leaves me feeling pressured without understanding why. Every year it's like "wait, I'm supposed to be super happy or something, right? Why aren't I super happy! arrrgh! And dammit, I'm single too, which apparently means I should be depressed!" Too many social expectations for this lonely INTP.

Luckily, the gift-giving thing has mostly died down in recent years in my family. Still though, my insistence of "really, I don't want anything" gets ignored every year. Then I feel bad, because I kind of feel sorry for these people who think they HAVE to do this.

 

[Kidege]

Though I'm dying with curiosity...what are the little figurines of? Is it like a pagan/spiritual kind of thing or is it like infants of the savior type? Funny little gnomes maybe? Small adorable bunnies feeding on the corpses of anthropomorphic personifications of the blessings we are to receive during the holidays?

Oh, nothing quite so interesting.

Just Mary, Joseph, baby Jesus, the Magi and some animals.

We do put two sets of parents and two Jesus, because the Gospels don't match in their descriptions and it makes better sense (for us).

We're still discussing whether the Magi should be three or twelve.

And sometimes we wonder about the validity of tropical trees.

So far no visitors have noticed that we put two families. They're busy asking why don't we have any decorations and "you mean that is your tree?". Guess we could always pretend it's to compensate for the small height of the tree.

 

[ohrtonz]

Yea, I never get anything for anyone unless some random creative idea comes to my mind. I dont make effort to figure out what to get for the sake of any holiday. I started playing with converting home videos to DVD, as something fun to do, and current obsession. Plus wanted to perserve them. It was getting close to Christmas so I focused on one of our Christmas tapes and just went all out with menu, scene selection, case/cover, and notes on what presents we got with pictures. So everyone got lucky that I was doing that. I got socks and stuff, that I needed and I was satisfied. It was the first Christmas where I stop getting spoiled I stopped expecting things, and didn't ask for anything. I haven't converted any home videos since lol. (2 years?) As it goes with random obsessions.

Mom usually goes out and buys things random things she sees and tells me to give it to my girlfriend's because that's what I should do. I refuse strictly and tell her why. She doesn't even ask me first what plans I may or may not have. I almost didn't give anything for Valentines day but then my creative mind thought up a poem, so I again, went all out making my own card, and getting her things she hinted at, set up candles and all that cheesy jazz. She loved it.

It has to come from within. Because of this I may end up doing something nice for someone but nothing at all for anyone else. I wonder what people think of that lol.

 

[Cavallier]

You know Kidege I think I have a new bit to add to your figurine collection around your tropical tree. You need goats. I often look at manger scenes and wonder to myself where the heck the goats are. Wouldn't it be more likely that the Jews in Israel would have had goats instead of sheep? Isn't the ecosystem friendlier to goats? I don't actually know, I'm just curious and seeing mangers sparks this curiosity.

As a kid when I heard the "Jesus in a manger" story I found myself thinking about all of this and that would get me to thinking about flatulent goats. It would be warm because of the goats and their belching/flatulent ways but it would be stinky.

 

[Kidege]

Um, sorry. Didn't notice the tropical tree part was confusing. The tree is an ordinary plastic pine, but the figurine collection includes tropical trees. So there's trees under the tree.

I'll look for the goats next time.

And actually, my grandmother used to decorate an aloe. That was bold. Picture this as a Christmas tree?

 

[Waterstiller]

Kidege.. you're family is cool. My friend's family decorates an upside-down plastic christmas tree.

Also.. I'd check the ethnicity of your Christmas action figure set. Most of the ones I've seen have been uncharacteristically European. Which, along with the included flora and fauna, just doesn't make much sense. And shouldn't Mary be laying down?

 

[Cavallier]

And actually, my grandmother used to decorate an aloe. That was bold. Picture this as a Christmas tree?

Awesome! I had an aloe as a kid. We had a wood stove and I burned my fingers on it a lot. never thought to decorate it though...it was poky.

It's a smilie manger scene sans Mary because she needs the sleep:

 

[snowqueen]

I think I'm just going to write letters to everyone in my family this year.

What an absolutely brilliant idea.


I have always said I hate Christmas - but what I mean is I hate the Christmases of my childhood and other people's notions of Christmas which end up poisoning a perfectly nice time off.

Having said that, over the past few years as my children have become articulate and considerate human beings we have created a fantastic Christmas tradition of our own and I actually look forward to it.

We always go up to London for a day out on the 23rd - they go skating at Somerset House, we have a meal, go to a film and spend Christmas money in Carnaby Street. On the 24th in the evening we exchange gifts and have a meal german stylee. My ex-lodger and surrogate family member joins us and we eat, drink and play board games and generally chill out. This year I guess my mum will tag along.

I buy virtually no presents, make my own cards but only send them to a select few and I have no obligations to in-laws or other family.

I utterly utterly detest the fact that the shops are now full of Christmas stuff.

 

[snowqueen]

I could tell you a hilarious story about an INTP trying to play Taboo. But I need to get up!

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

i love playing abstract Taboo

i like christmas, nothing but happy memories

small family meal, no big gathering, grandma and grandad come round a little, then just a buffet with pizzas and chicken wings

oh, and presents


but in a few years surely it will annoy me

 

[Toad]

Maybe Christmas is associated with past experiences with it. I never had a good Christmas growing up, so maybe that's why I hate it so much.

I hope one day I can get over it.

 

[Melllvar]

Dammit, GOD DAMMIT!

I had just been thinking for the past few weeks how much I hated the holidays, how much I always hate the holidays every year, and how much I'm going to hate them again this year.

When you hate something so much what do you do? You get on INTPf and bitch about it, that's what. (I apologize if this isn't actually an appropriate use for this forum) So here I was about to start a thread and make a long post about how much I hate the holidays, what poisonous, pathological creatures my family can be, how silly it all is, the needless materialism and hypocrasy involved, and how if you dare say any of this they treat you like a mental patient. Then it turns out someone already made a thread for this sort of thing.

Now I'm here bitching about how much I hate someone's having already made a thread about hating the holidays. Oh well, I'm going to come back here and bitch about the holidays every time, for the next month and a half, I find myself dreading the upcoming family gatherings and general spirit of joviality. (probably not literally every time) Not right now though, I've already spent enough energy bitching about this subject's pre-existence.

 

[MunkySpanker]

Dammit, GOD DAMMIT!

I had just been thinking for the past few weeks how much I hated the holidays, how much I always hate the holidays every year, and how much I'm going to hate them again this year.

When you hate something so much what do you do? You get on INTPf and bitch about it, that's what. (I apologize if this isn't actually an appropriate use for this forum) So here I was about to start a thread and make a long post about how much I hate the holidays, what poisonous, pathological creatures my family can be, how silly it all is, the needless materialism and hypocrasy involved, and how if you dare say any of this they treat you like a mental patient. Then it turns out someone already made a thread for this sort of thing.

Now I'm here bitching about how much I hate someone's having already made a thread about hating the holidays. Oh well, I'm going to come back here and bitch about the holidays every time, for the next month and a half, I find myself dreading the upcoming family gatherings and general spirit of joviality. (probably not literally every time) Not right now though, I've already spent enough energy bitching about this subject's pre-existence.

hey, I think birthday's are up for grabs.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I hate Black Friday with unbridled passion. I've been drug along the last two years, but I have had enough! I'm digging in my heels this year, nothing can make me go! Hurt capitalistic feelings be damned!

but on a positive note....
YouTube - White Wine In The Sun by Tim Minchin

 

[Minuend]

.. is not celebrating Christmas this year either and has thus no feelings towards it

 

[MunkySpanker]

I hate Black Friday with unbridled passion. I've been drug along the last two years, but I have had enough! I'm digging in my heels this year, nothing can make me go! Hurt capitalistic feelings be damned!

but on a positive note....
YouTube - White Wine In The Sun by Tim Minchin

when you say "drug along" is it really because you're high and you can't stand being not high for the duration of being with your family?

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Well technically 'dragged' is grammatically correct. It just feels weird to me so hence 'drug.' It's just a regional quirk. Although being baked would probably make the process much more amusing.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Well technically 'dragged' is grammatically correct. It just feels weird to me so hence 'drug.' It's just a regional quirk. Although being baked would probably make the process much more amusing.

Tried that. The experience turned out to be the classic buzz-kill which made it all the more worse because I kept thinking about the wasted weed.

I always hated Black Friday growing up, so I kept complaining in hopes that my family would get frustrated and leave me home one year. That didn't work. What did work was when I wandered off and went to the in-mall movie theater and saw a movie (without telling anyone of course). I got into a shitload of trouble but never again did I go shopping on that day.....with my family. An ex-gf dragged (eh, feels right) me out one time.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

It just boggles my mind that every year people die for shopping.
It's this type of thing that's going to give me an aneurysm, I know it.

I think my personal hell would be eternal Black Friday shopping.

 

[MunkySpanker]

It just boggles my mind that every year people die for shopping.
It's this type of thing that's going to give me an aneurysm, I know it.

I think my personal hell would be eternal Black Friday shopping.

me too, like, I get it... lots of cheap shit (50% "savings" ooh lah lah) -- me thinks you're stupid for still paying 50% of what you wouldn't have spent otherwise... but whatever.

 

[Cavallier]

I've never been dragged to or drugged at a Black Friday sale but I have worked retail during Black Friday. That's why this year I'm working graveyard stocking shelves and avoiding the whole sales aspect of the entire holiday season. Since that only leaves the drinking and eating part of the holiday for me I think I might actually enjoy Yule this year!

 

[AlisaD]

Reading all of this I can't help but thank God for our communist past. We're pretty much Christma...what? about the whole thing

 

[shadowdrums4]

I actually don't hate Christmas, I bet I will over the next couple years though. I'm not dragged to family dinners or obligated to buy gifts or anything. The only real tradition we have is, one present on Christmas Eve and the rest the next morning. After that the food is the only Christmasy part we have.

I remember last year was my favorite though because my friend texted me that she hated Christmas. "I don't feel warm and Christmasy I feel cold and empty like always because I don't have a family" "What are you talking about? Of course you do, you have you're bf, (names off a few other friends) and me." "but I'm not with any of them." This is when I hatched one of the few good ideas I have ever had. I talked to those friends and her bf and said "hey let's surprise her when she comes to her mom's house and get her presents" (These presents were cigarettes mountain dew and condoms, we rock!) I then cheered her up that night by telling her "you know Christmas is the biggest socially accepted lie there is. There's evidence saying that Jesus was not born on Christmas day. It was sometime in the summer" "Really?" "Yeah so we can wait a few days to see us. The reason that day was picked was because of some pagan holiday where they sacrificed a lot of people."

Since my family is so screwed up, I usually looked for family in close friends. That's why I answered her the way I did. I had gone through that same thought process so many times. I think I'll make a habit of having a Christmas like gathering of these friends a week or so after Christmas is over. Gifts won't be required, just spending time with people we want to see.

Oh and that writing letters as a present thing, amazing idea. I can't do it though because I would have to BS a few of them. Oh shit, what am I going to do this year? I hope I find a job soon. I'll just do what I do with birthdays, everyone's favorite kind of soda will be bought. thank god for 10 for $10 at Kroger.

 

[Minuend]

Reading all of this I can't help but thank God for our communist past. We're pretty much Christma...what? about the whole thing

When I was young, we (our school) used to ship old clothes to people like you

 

[NoID10ts]

Merry Christmas Everybody!
YAY!!!



Love,
NoID10ts
​

 

[Cavallier]

^Are their faces moving or have my drugs kicked in?

When I was young, we (our school) used to ship old clothes to people like you

Egads, I need to get out more because I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

 

[NoID10ts]

^Are their faces moving or have my drugs kicked in?

A little from column "A", a little from column "B".

 

[The Gopher]

the main problem is it's so hot at christmas time..... (Did I mention that I am australian) Email me some snow or something.

 

[gruesomebrat]

the main problem is it's so hot at christmas time..... (Did I mention that I am australian) Email me some snow or something.

I will gladly mail you all the snow in my driveway come Christmas time. Nothing out there right now, but I'm willing to bet that we'll have a minimum of 6 inches on the ground by Dec. 20th.

 

[The Gopher]

I will gladly mail you all the snow in my driveway come Christmas time. Nothing out there right now, but I'm willing to bet that we'll have a minimum of 6 inches on the ground by Dec. 20th.

Well I would be glad to take it (puts down cogs address) yes that will work.