Forum Mafia Game #2

[Shapelog]

Well playing from a town perspective made me realise game is not for me; i was too concerned with hurting people's feelings (which is stupid because this is a game...).
my push on Helvete was guilt free because they really were not posting or defending themselves. but most other comments i made towards other players made me feel bad, like when I pushed sinny a little bit and she accused me of implying she's a retard(fk u sinny), i felt guilty and started to not want to read her as scummy and put her as probable power role in my head instead.
It's easier/feels less guilty to manipulate people as mafia because when your role is revealed people will know for sure that you didn't mean any of the attacks you made

If you really need replacements in the future then you can consider me but otherwise I'm not really up for playing again with people im familiar with

I would say something, but I can get like that.

The only real time I got depress was in my first mafia game. A player who really taught me mafia (Named Kush) thought that the unrevealed vet and a highly town read player was mafia, and was pushing my team mate for a ML. Guy just keep asking me and trying to prove me that the vet was indeed mafia. Eventually, the vet revealed himself and he got depressed. Then my teammate (who I was bussed btw) got lynched, which made him look like scum to the others.

It made me sad, because he put a lot of work into it, and I went the entire time going like "Maybe, but ....." leading him on more and more.

But after that, I haven't had any big issues

 

[Shapelog]

Also,

Although it is highly questionable. Jesters are always fun!

 

[redbaron]

48/24 hour day nights, compulsory vote, 13 players - day ends at set time on player with most votes as opposed to majority lynch ending day at weird times.

Use a matrix system to set it up, so you have a lot of possible outcomes. I'm playing a 9 player game elsewhere and it's boring as fuk.

Am genuinely amazed how personal people ended up taking this game :^(

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Am genuinely amazed how personal people ended up taking this game :^(

I GET IT YOU CAN SHATTAP NIW

 

[redbaron]

No but I didn't realise people were that genuinely upset. I thought they were just frustrated or something.

And you'll never live it down :^)

 

[Yellow]

48/24 hour day nights, compulsory vote, 13 players - day ends at set time on player with most votes as opposed to majority lynch ending day at weird times.

Use a matrix system to set it up, so you have a lot of possible outcomes. I'm playing a 9 player game elsewhere and it's boring as fuk.

I like this idea too. I got impatient and started playing a 9 player game on another site, and it's pretty boring. With only 2 mafia, it seems like there is too much chance in the game. If town accidentally lynches the right person early on, there's not much reason to keep going. It also make busing retarded, so things start to feel predictable.

Though, TBH, the people aren't you guys, so that might be a factor. I don't really like playing in an entire group of strangers.

 

[Jennywocky]

I can say it now?! I FUCKING KNEW that Jenny and RB were mafia. I thought Hado was too until he flipped green though, so I guess I wasn't all right.

I cannot tell a lie.

I was taking all my orders from Yellow.

 

[Shapelog]

@Zerk,
I just got lynched and caused town to lose a game offsite. Currently listing to the video linked. Helped me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ4xwmZ6zi4

 

[QuickTwist]

48/24 hour day nights, compulsory vote, 13 players - day ends at set time on player with most votes as opposed to majority lynch ending day at weird times.

Use a matrix system to set it up, so you have a lot of possible outcomes. I'm playing a 9 player game elsewhere and it's boring as fuk.

Am genuinely amazed how personal people ended up taking this game :^(

I like this idea too. I got impatient and started playing a 9 player game on another site, and it's pretty boring. With only 2 mafia, it seems like there is too much chance in the game. If town accidentally lynches the right person early on, there's not much reason to keep going. It also make busing retarded, so things start to feel predictable.

Though, TBH, the people aren't you guys, so that might be a factor. I don't really like playing in an entire group of strangers.

Oddly enough, those games have a pretty close to 50/50 record as Town and Scum.

I like majority lynch because you can use Bandwagons as leverage for reads.. can't really do that with plurality lynch. People get really independent in their reads with plurality. With majority, there is real pressure set on people when there is a BW on someone. With plurality, you often get a lot of spread out votes that aren't really doing much.

 

[redbaron]

I like this idea too. I got impatient and started playing a 9 player game on another site, and it's pretty boring. With only 2 mafia, it seems like there is too much chance in the game. If town accidentally lynches the right person early on, there's not much reason to keep going. It also make busing retarded, so things start to feel predictable.

Though, TBH, the people aren't you guys, so that might be a factor. I don't really like playing in an entire group of strangers.

Yeah, plus you can't add much flavour in 9 player games without it becoming dodgy. 13 is a good number overall for adding some interesting roles.

I might even host the next game so QT can play

 

[redbaron]

I like majority lynch because you can use Bandwagons as leverage for reads.. can't really do that with plurality lynch. People get really independent in their reads with plurality. With majority, there is real pressure set on people when there is a BW on someone. With plurality, you often get a lot of spread out votes that aren't really doing much.

That's true. Can night be extended if day ends early?

I just can't stand the jumping around times.

 

[Yellow]

I cannot tell a lie.

I was taking all my orders from Yellow.

[bimgx=250]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aeYKixiotaY/hqdefault.jpg[/bimgx]
You've done well, my young padawan. Some day, you will be as vicious and beautiful as I am.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Oh hey I can host next game I guess, since I'm not playing anyway. I was under the impression that it's too much effort but I guess it's not really

 

[Yellow]

That's true. Can night be extended if day ends early?

I just can't stand the jumping around times.

Long nights would get pretty boring for people without night actions.

 

[QuickTwist]

That's true. Can night be extended if day ends early?

I just can't stand the jumping around times.

Long nights would get pretty boring for people without night actions.

Never seen a game where Night is extended.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Anyway pm if you decide you want to play again and want me to mod. I'm interning 7 hours a day 6 days per week and dying of boredom so I'd appreciate any means to waste time while interning :P

 

[QuickTwist]

Anyway pm if you decide you want to play again and want me to mod. I'm interning 7 hours a day 6 days per week and dying of boredom so I'd appreciate any means to waste time while interning :P

time well spent on the job, amirite?

If you do plan to mod a game, you should start thinking about ideas for what kind of game you want to run. Coming up with the setup is just about as fun as playing in a game IMO.

 

[The Gopher]

I like majority lynch because you can use Bandwagons as leverage for reads.. can't really do that with plurality lynch. People get really independent in their reads with plurality. With majority, there is real pressure set on people when there is a BW on someone. With plurality, you often get a lot of spread out votes that aren't really doing much.

Just so you know majority lynch while good when people are experienced... is the reason there was so much spam that everyone burnt out. (well that and 78 hour days which is the sweet spot for spam posting) Honestly I would take that trade off. Besides I think overall it still gives mafia the advantage even in that scenario.

That's true. Can night be extended if day ends early?

I just can't stand the jumping around times.

NOOOOO, the time that jumps around and causes the problem is the day time changing. If people are so afraid of being lynched at any moment it forces heaps of problems. For example I had to claim doctor simply because I couldn't be here 24/7 on day three. (It really effects blue roles that try to stay hidden by being a potential lynch target) PMJ self voting before people could talk him out of it. Actually I'll stop now but if you want I can make a case on majority which will probably end up in it getting lynched. That said the problem becomes about what time period works best for everyone to have the lynch.

For now I'll just.

Vote Majority Lynch

 

[Hadoblado]

@Spacedog
Kushmaster? I think we played our very first game together. He had a lurky/bizzare style that kept everyone guessing. He was the person that everyone was so angry at for being bad but then he wasn't even actually bad... or something. He also may have even been someone I whiteknighted who ended up flipping red...

I gotta agree on the majority lynch thing. Knowing that you can be lynched at any time is just super stressful. I would like to be able to set aside time for the game each day, instead of having to be half in and half out 24/7.

Also there are issues with inactives in majority lynch. If town have inactive members it actually becomes insanely difficult to land a lynch right. With three members of the game being mafia and 2-3 people inactive, you need to convince close to 100% of the players that a person needs to go down. And people aren't going to agree so readily. Part of the reason I'm playing so 'loudly' is because I feel that if the players don't unify strongly there will be a no-lynch. I need to bully and cajole so much harder in this setup.

Also, while people are forced to give reads on a particular individual, they are also forced off of their actual reads in order to make something happen, it feels kinda zero sum. The people here tend to revel in their individuality, being required to sheep hard in order to even make a lynch happen is not much fun. See day one where I gave up on both my reads in order to make sure there was a lynch (there were other reasons too, but this is a big contributing factor).

@Sinny
I'd probably have a little more reserve than RB did, but I would have bussed you day two if my hand was forced. Bussing is not something to be taken personally. Hell, gopher bussed me day two this game and we were both town XD

That thing I said game one about bussing being an advanced technique? That was a lie, disregard it. Someone called me on it I think? But basically I was trying to muddle the waters for a noobie scum team. Make potential bus targets not feel comfortable being bussed because the payoff for bussing looked more like a potential backfire than a confirmed townhood. This could have created friction in the scumteam, which could have converted into tells in the game. Twas a trap. Bussing is dead easy, and I don't know the statistics, but it's certainly common for the most suspected mafia to go down so that their team may live.

 

[redbaron]

@Gopher, keep majority lynch then. Just musing

48/24, 13 player, majority lynch. Basically what we've been doing, but I think it's a good format. Some people just didn't like the game that much. Fair enough, I think we could still field a good group though.

 

[The Gopher]

NO NO MAJORITY LYNCH. I think with this specific forum style majority lynch is bad, gonna mirror hado.

If it is kushmaster that's hilarious. He and I played out first game as mafia together where.

I made a 2000 word case on him detailing every single mistake he made, and neither of us got lynched and the serial killer got the town MVP.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

@Spacedog

Is it just established now that we're all committed to getting Scrapehog's name wrong?


Also being mod sounds like fun. I might be interested in that at some point. Would be cool and would keep people guessing if we have different mods with different rule setups/styles.

 

[Hadoblado]

@RB
Man I wanted you to be town so bad. When gopher stumbled into my tell trap (going aggressive on me when I'd offered a town gopher safety until day three) I could no longer see him as not scum. And the notion that both you and gopher were scum didn't make too much sense (and quite frankly felt kind of unfair).
When you claimed to be able to tell if I was scum that wasn't you walking into a deliberate trap, but it rang red. Your recovery was good though. Believable (obviously).

Whoever in the mafia QT identified my call on reluctantly as disruption was dead right. I guess it's obvious to people who know alignments, but not to people in game? Interesting inference that I was VT too. By trying to muddy the waters I made them clearer, while also fucking myself in the face with a barbwire dildo.

It was legit ad lib. MB.

 

[Hadoblado]

Is it just established now that we're all committed to getting Scrapehog's name wrong?

Does it contribute to or detract from the goal if I explicitly state that it's an attempt at in-grouping so that they'll stay to play another? :3

 

[redbaron]

Whoever in the mafia QT identified my call on reluctantly as disruption was dead right. I guess it's obvious to people who know alignments, but not to people in game? Interesting inference that I was VT too. By trying to muddy the waters I made them clearer, while also fucking myself in the face with a barbwire dildo.

It was legit ad lib. MB.

Yeah that was me. Tbh it was more Reluctantly's fault for role-claiming after he got role-blocked. Jenny and I both had him picked as cop, although I had doubts but decided that if both of us suspected him cop, we should RB him since it's a better guess than anything else.

Since he claimed, I knew I was right. If he just stayed silent the entire time, doubt could have crept back and we might have changed target for the block. Just frustration I guess.

I guessed it because I knew that if I'd been Town this game I would have tried to misdirect from Reluctantly as well by offering cop-bait, which is why I thought you were vanilla town. I'm a big fan of town playing, "no I'm the cop!" in games with powerful blue roles like cop+doctor because it makes the NK+RB really hard to get right.

Then cop just claims when he has at least one (ideally 2) guilty read and doctor claims with an innocent read. This setup imo was Town favoured if the blue roles play it right, but we figured them out on Day 1 & 2. Still I think we were lucky to win with Pmj's suicide. I think we had like a 50/50 chance to win a redbaron vs. Spacedog - would have rested on Ika's decision.

 

[The Gopher]

I actually agree the setup for a 9 player game looks really boring unless you go uber fancy. The only issue is... four replacements. Arguably Happy Jenny Uroki and PMJ may have wanted replacements (although for PMJ that was more the state of the game at the end) means theoretically we could have had seven replacements in a 13 player game.

 

[Reluctantly]

Yeah that was me. Tbh it was more Reluctantly's fault for role-claiming after he got role-blocked. Jenny and I both had him picked as cop, although I had doubts but decided that if both of us suspected him cop, we should RB him since it's a better guess than anything else.

Since he claimed, I knew I was right. If he just stayed silent the entire time, doubt could have crept back and we might have changed target for the block. Just frustration I guess.

I guessed it because I knew that if I'd been Town this game I would have tried to misdirect from Reluctantly as well by offering cop-bait, which is why I thought you were vanilla town. I'm a big fan of town playing, "no I'm the cop!" in games with powerful blue roles like cop+doctor because it makes the NK+RB really hard to get right.

Then cop just claims when he has at least one (ideally 2) guilty read and doctor claims with an innocent read. This setup imo was Town favoured if the blue roles play it right, but we figured them out on Day 1 & 2. Still I think we were lucky to win with Pmj's suicide. I think we had like a 50/50 chance to win a redbaron vs. Spacedog - would have rested on Ika's decision.

*throws keyboard in air*

I think my biggest mistake was thinking I could be open and honest about my thinking BECAUSE I was town. I was more concerned about getting Town to know that I was Town and letting mafia make their own slips. So I didn't even realize that talking about cop would make me not only look Town, but also give away that I was Cop. I just said what I was thinking...

And the Hado thing was regrettable and I think at that point I was already frustrated with the whole Zerk thing and then Hado was doing weird things and I was role-blocked and he flat-out mentioned me as cop (facepalm) and then he always had some answer for things that didn't really add up, like how he went after Gopher or my questioning of him. I just really wanted to nail him as mafia, even if it meant not having reads for the rest of the game....

And Well damit. I was wrong about him oh well. And I realize now that even as Town I need to play a role regardless. Play the game to test other Town players and such. ehh, I just find it frustrating how Town act scummy to one another though; then you got players quitting and not participating. So many red scummy flags, I just don't know what to do and the Hado hit destroyed my confidence in my intuition to the point that I let you, RB, get away with your strange behavior this game...

Urakro being green made me suspicious of Jenny however, but I was dead. She was too hands off, as if commenting and summarizing the game rather than scum hunting. It was her Pmj focus and the way she said she'd consider my Pmj read and see what she thinks; it reeked too much of someone not trying to determine Town.

ballssss...jdalfksdfjaslkdjf...this is kind of an ego hit for me, since I'm usually pretty good at reading people and seeing through face value. Maybe I'll do better in another game and not try so hard to push like I did with Hado or Zerk.

 

[Hadoblado]

Reluctantly made a mistake yes, but I misread their reaction to my actions, which makes it also my mistake.

@Reluc
I come off scummy. Even when I'm being uber transparent. It's partly the over-thinking (people find it difficult to have a good model of what my real thoughts are), and part of it is intentional. As you can see from a couple of good reads on scum's part, them knowing what you're thinking is a bad thing. I'm trying to master a particular style, and while I'm failing now I'm hoping it'll pay dividends later.

Talking about your blue role being a tell is a big takeaway for you from this game. It's availability bias (I know I've been saying that a lot, but it's true). You are thinking like a cop and so when you make discussion your thoughts jump to the salient destination of cop stuff. Of course, newbies sometimes fixate on blue roles even when they don't have them, and old blood sometimes focus on them to throw scum off, but the bedrock state of the game is the availability bias.

Being open and honest can be very good for town, especially when you're new. Unfortunately, I think that, similar to me, even when you're open and honest you come off as scummy. I had no idea what you were thinking with most of your reads, it felt like you were just making shit up. I'm not telling you off, I'm just giving feedback. I really couldn't parse your thought process, and apparently you couldn't parse mine either :/

 

[redbaron]

So I didn't even realize that talking about cop would make me not only look Town, but also give away that I was Cop. I just said what I was thinking...

Talking about cop doesn't really make you look Town. Scum do it to try and bait out power roles as well. It's more the way you talk about cop and the context of the game. You looked like the cop because you kept just insisting that no town would have reason to claim cop - except they would because that's what good vanilla town do, protect and confuse mafia from finding power roles. Plus a vanilla town can bait out a mafia counter-claim, get the mafia lynched and waste and get them to waste an NK on a vanilla town. Lots of reasons to do it.

Also if I was Town I'd still be trying to shut you up from talking about role-claims and whatnot. That wasn't a scum thing, that was legitimate game theory I probably would have said regardless of alignment. Cop's job is to stay alive and not get NK'd or role-blocked. Ideally you want to get to Day 3 at least, which means you have 4 reads (close to 1/3 of the game) - which means that statistically you're like to have hit mafia by then.

Shouldn't have announced you got RB'd. Ride it out, keep talking like Town and see what happens. We just perma-blocked you because you claimed - vanilla town don't get told if they're role-blocked btw, so if you said nothing we'd never have confirmation.

So many red scummy flags, I just don't know what to do and the Hado hit destroyed my confidence in my intuition to the point that I let you, RB, get away with your strange behavior this game...

Can I ask what made you think I was scum? I was legitimately annoyed at some of the scum-reads I was getting because it was based on behaviour that I would have done as either town or scum. Like people were saying I wasn't being my usual argumentative self, or I wasn't as active - but I'd decided well before the game started that if I rolled town, I'd try to be more co-operative with people who I was reading as town and that I wouldn't smother people with activity.

But then people were scum-reading me for not being my typical argumentative self and for not smothering people and I was like, "what?". Felt like I was being scumread based on the stuff that wasn't actually the stuff that was scummy.

ballssss...jdalfksdfjaslkdjf...this is kind of an ego hit for me, since I'm usually pretty good at reading people and seeing through face value. Maybe I'll do better in another game and not try so hard to push like I did with Hado or Zerk.

Honestly I felt like you didn't push hard at all. Not many of the town did. People would catch a hint of scumminess, ask 3 questions and get an answer and then say, "well okay then, you're not mafia."

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

If you do plan to mod a game, you should start thinking about ideas for what kind of game you want to run. Coming up with the setup is just about as fun as playing in a game IMO.

...Ehhhhh :P
Well game I joined has 6matrix thing setup, it's kind of fun because that way neither town nor mafia are sure what power roles are present in the game until one of the power roles die. It also makes claiming in early stages less believable. Anyway let me know if you or rb or anyone else want to mod or not first

@sheepfog: ♡♡

 

[Hadoblado]

Yeah. People seem to not realise how non-committal their aggression is. IMO the only people so far that have pulled off believable commitment to a position have been Sinny and RB (as town). Everyone else feels like they're slapping around with a wet noodle. Even Gopher's case on me was just a huge string of non-committal points.

To be fair, reluctantly has shown commitment, but then I have such difficulty following their reasoning I can't identify its authenticity.

I understand that the reactive mindset is the default around these parts, and it's fine that you are reactive somewhat, but it's kind of funny when people are regretting going too hard when they back off so quickly. Even PMJ, who 'tunneled' me for days, didn't push nearly hard enough. He offered very little justification, and I didn't really feel at all attacked. I know it sounds silly coming from Hado "mislynch4dayz" blado but the commitment in people's aggression is sorely lacking. You can be both aggressive and scared of mislynching. You can even be aggressive and not aim to lynch people. I'm hoping that as people understand more and more, they'll feel more comfortable in acting on their reads, and develop the skills necessary to actually push a read. It doesn't have to be the spoilered 3000 word doco, it just needs to be a committed argument.

You can see how Sinny had difficulty once she was under pressure. I went straight from thinking her my towniest read to thinking her deep red.

Look at the pressure I put on Puffy game one. And now how Sinny changed here once pressured. Puffy was forced to lead a mislynch on me. Sinny cracked. These are the only times mafia have been in any danger at all so far. Pressure!

You need to test the mafia, if a mafia goes untested they get a free pass. There's a reason mafia want me dead early even when I mislynch like a madman. They'd prefer the certainty of going unpressured than the big win they get when I mislynch trying to make something happen.

 

[PmjPmj]

Reading the Mafia QT, I now realise that I had a couple of you mildly concerned at some points... then never actually followed through on my convictions, because I was too busy being a pissant about being too busy.

Now I know the lay of the land, expect more. Much more.

 

[PmjPmj]

Fuck it.

Signup thread for another game?

 

[redbaron]

I like this idea too. I got impatient and started playing a 9 player game on another site, and it's pretty boring. With only 2 mafia, it seems like there is too much chance in the game. If town accidentally lynches the right person early on, there's not much reason to keep going. It also make busing retarded, so things start to feel predictable.

Though, TBH, the people aren't you guys, so that might be a factor. I don't really like playing in an entire group of strangers.

Where'd you start playing btw, I made an account on mafiascum.

 

[The Gopher]

Can I ask what made you think I was scum? I was legitimately annoyed at some of the scum-reads I was getting because it was based on behaviour that I would have done as either town or scum. Like people were saying I wasn't being my usual argumentative self, or I wasn't as active - but I'd decided well before the game started that if I rolled town, I'd try to be more co-operative with people who I was reading as town and that I wouldn't smother people with activity.

But then people were scum-reading me for not being my typical argumentative self and for not smothering people and I was like, "what?". Felt like I was being scumread based on the stuff that wasn't actually the stuff that was scummy.

Well.... I mean I have the exact same thoughts when I play scum. However I'm pretty sure we just aren't playing well enough. I mean we do it well enough to get by... My point is even using the same strategy things slip by that you wouldn't even think of. If you were town doing the "exact same thing" I'm pretty sure people would be on you even less. It's more intuition picking up minor things that if they weren't there people may not have an issue with or have less of an issue with your change in style.

Tl;dr while the basic strategy is the same it's the minor things that effect how people see the basic strategy.

 

[Jennywocky]

One of my observations was that on a single-MBTI-type site, there are certain strategies that are viewed as kosher and other strategies that are immediately viewed with mistrust. (It's why Hado and PMJ and others got read as scummy, for example.) I think maybe on the large sites that are not seeded by a particular type, other strategies might be viewed with less suspicion. Here, as long as you were fairly rational, not too invasive, could provide a foundation for your suspicions, and make a big picture case, you were at least positioned with a fighting chance. "Having ideas" was actually equated to some degree with actual scumhunting; I guess it's cuz for many, the internal world is where we do much of our activity, versus putting it out there constantly in rough form, so that was accepted much more easily.

There was also a vulnerability/naivety with the social cues -- again, if you "looked nice" to some of the members and seemed reasonable, you could kind of slip by. Again, a focus on reasonableness/rational consistency, and "hey, we're all sitting back here together trying to big-picture figure this thing out, go team" without necessarily gunning for suspects.

Yeah. People seem to not realise how non-committal their aggression is. IMO the only people so far that have pulled off believable commitment to a position have been Sinny and RB (as town). Everyone else feels like they're slapping around with a wet noodle. Even Gopher's case on me was just a huge string of non-committal points.

Yeah, I was actually very aware of much of it (including my own ineptness at it). I think I also mentioned how shocking it was when people just made claims and got pushed back very very little about them (including Gopher's doc claim -- he went from a first-hour lynch on Day 3 to verified doctor as soon as he made the claim).

I mean, I saw that and took huge advantage of it, as much as I could. It also helped that no one could recognize real scumhunting, so it wasn't really possible for people to delineate what fake scumhunting looked like.

I still don't quite know how to do it, though. That sounds like a dumb thing to say, but I'm not a forceful person to begin with -- I have the "reactive / sit back and analyze" approach and slowly hone in without releasing a lot of half-formed ideas. I tried to make attacks, but you can see my strongest comments about anyone occurred after I had a very clear case on them (like my last blitz assault on PMJ). Because I had a bunch of data to react to, and it wasn't a nebulous case.

I tried to dig up some online guides on it, but didn't really find anything useful. Maybe we need a Scumhunting 101 course?

 

[Hadoblado]

1) Form a hypothesis about how someone is expected to act
2) If they fail to act in the way you hypothesised, use template below

Hey [scum] you're a [derogatory adjective] [derogatory noun] [derogatory verb]er. If you were town you would have [hypothesised town action]. You didn't [hypothesised town action]. You need to explain to me right now why you didn't [hypothesised town action].

I can think of reasons why scummy [scum] would do [whatever scum did]. But I can't think of why town [scum] would [whatever scum did].

*Start directing conversation to other players, as you no longer care what their reply is*

[Scum] is scum. Lynch he!

 

[Jennywocky]

IOW, in Disney's "Beauty & the Beast," we are not the hero, nor the heroine, nor even the villain or the goofy sidekick -- we're the brainless, single-minded, rather gullible villagers who storm a castle in the rain at 2am just because someone claimed a mirror was magic and there was a beast in it.

WOOT


The template helps. It's just so damnably antithetical.

 

[ika]

adn this is why you never premtivly vote in lylo nor do you ever self vote as town

 

[Reluctantly]

@RB
I had the same thoughts, thinking mafia wasn't sure I was cop. Problem was I was already roleblocked and no town had come forward to push suspicion off me. I had a feeling I would be screwed the entire game, so I at least role claimed to go after what I thought was mafia. Otherwise, town is so indecisive; I don't even think a lynch would have occured.

As far as you being mafia; it was your reasoning of Hado being town, your hands off attitude (which is not like you at all, you didnt scumhunt or push people to figure out who is scum), and plus it's completely different behavior from you last game. But your reasoning about not wanting to jump to.conclusions because of last game seemed valid and I didn't want to lynch another Hado.

 

[Shapelog]

@Spacedog
Kushmaster? I think we played our very first game together. He had a lurky/bizzare style that kept everyone guessing. He was the person that everyone was so angry at for being bad but then he wasn't even actually bad... or something. He also may have even been someone I whiteknighted who ended up flipping red...

Yup,
I haven't played with him in a while though. I think I played almost 7 games w/ him and he kinda just left TL after a game IIRC.

About Majortiy and what QT said.

I actually can predict quite good with a purtialy lynch (the one with deadline) on A) if the leading wagon is mafia/Town, and B) if the wagon is going be a ML or not.

In the post you stated, about it ending up being a bunch of people off wagoned, that usually means that it is a ML. As mafia isn't too worried at trying to make one wagon be better then the rest. If it is really fucking close, then usually 1 of the leading wagon's are scum. You can also look at the timing of votes, and how quickly the wagon's take speed.

Not only that, but I made many moves as scum with my vote. Unvoting from a vote on a scum buddy, to jump on a already basically lynched person for WIFOM. Last min shenanigans onto my Teammate, etc.

There is more to it then it mets the eye. Majority is ok, but is more harder to get reads off of voting patterns IMO.

If the deadline(s) is a prob. Then make it semi-Majority. Basically, it is where every 12 or X hours, you check the votes. If they are at majority, the lynch happens, and the next day starts then. If not, you leave and check back in 12 hours later.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Cop gets a random free peak on a VT Night 0.

Who was the cop's free peek?

 

[Jennywocky]

Who was the cop's free peek?

Helvete.

This is why Reluctantly got on Zerk's case when she kept trying to swerve at Helvete on Day 1, and it kind of tipped me off maybe Helvete was the N0 read if Rel was cop (if Helv was not a power role).

When you know someone is confirmed town, it provides an anchor for other reads, so in that sense Helv was very important.

The free peak is always a Town read, btw, from what QT told us.

 

[QuickTwist]

There is more to it then it mets the eye. Majority is ok, but is more harder to get reads off of voting patterns IMO.

If the deadline(s) is a prob. Then make it semi-Majority. Basically, it is where every 12 or X hours, you check the votes. If they are at majority, the lynch happens, and the next day starts then. If not, you leave and check back in 12 hours later.

Matter of opinion on if plurality or majority is easier to read.

I don't have a problem with mixing the two actually, so for example if majority is reached its a lynch and otherwise its plurality granted voting No-Lynch is an option. I can see that working.

 

[Yellow]

Where'd you start playing btw, I made an account on mafiascum.

Me too. I'm in a newbie game there.

 

[ika]

i do not suggest mafia scuma s a place to play, that place is super toxic and a hellhole that has biased players and mods.

i would suggest mafia universe