Forever confused??

[ILYGodney]

I'm quite the puzzle and since INTPs like puzzles, what better place to make a thread?

I decided on INTJ a while ago but then I realized that I'm probably not an introvert. I get energized when I interact with the external world and at my worst, I get obsessed with people and everything that's going around me, while refusing to reflect.

My development's probably really weird. My parents beat me from the time I was 4 up to the age of 8 and I was depressed up until the age of 14. I remember that my parents thought I was high half the time (I was so oblivious to my environment) and a bossy know-it-all. I honestly don't know how. How did they expect me to function in a household without structure and rules?

I have a lot of strong values and morals. I would probably die for them actually. I abide by my moral code no matter what. I actually have moral rules. When I was younger, I never had morals and I was somewhat wild. I made racist/sexist jokes and I was an aggressive bully who really just wanted a friend. I really got off on confrontation and conflicts. I created problems in a lot of my friendships just for the fun of it. Oddly enough, when it comes to things I'm emotionally invested in such as my values, I can end up crying and feeling hopeless thinking about the state of the world.

I really love helping others but I don't really do it because I care. Being as helpful as I possibly can is one of my values. I believe in loyalty but, and while this might seem selfish, if I had to choose between my friends or being true to myself and my morals, I would choose myself any day. I don't really like loyalty very much because I feel like people should do things because they think it's the right thing to do rather than because they care.

I love schedules and plans. I absolutely cannot adapt. I always need a plan and around 3 back-up plans. I need to be able to put things in perspective. Is what I'm doing going to matter in 40 years? I believe in productive fun and I absolutely hate things that have no purpose. I want to be as efficient as I possibly can.

I remember being very escapist when I was young and I still am to a certain extent. Reality is so disappointing and living in my head is much more satisfying. But then I feel pathetic and end up planning out my vision of how reality should be like. I love to research in the library regarding this. I am not a knowledge for knowledge's sake person, applied knowledge is definitely my thing.

I hate talking about abstract things because what's the point? What am I gaining from talking about it? I love having fun and grabbing opportunities to experience the moment as much as I can. If I don't have anything to do, at least. I like to keep things light-hearted and I hate anything gloomy when I'm in this sort of mood. I do things for impact, for a reaction. Whoever gets the most laughs and gasps, wins. I'm getting better at putting on a show and entertaining people. But I usually never live in the moment and I'm quite the obsessive planner.

What do you think??

 

[ILYGodney]

I'm fairly sure I use Ni-Se if that helps.

 

[Duxwing]

I'm quite the puzzle and since INTPs like puzzles, what better place to make a thread?

I decided on INTJ a while ago but then I realized that I'm probably not an introvert. I get energized when I interact with the external world and at my worst, I get obsessed with people and everything that's going around me, while refusing to reflect.

My development's probably really weird. My parents beat me from the time I was 4 up to the age of 8 and I was depressed up until the age of 14. I remember that my parents thought I was high half the time (I was so oblivious to my environment) and a bossy know-it-all. I honestly don't know how. How did they expect me to function in a household without structure and rules?

I have a lot of strong values and morals. I would probably die for them actually. I abide by my moral code no matter what. I actually have moral rules. When I was younger, I never had morals and I was somewhat wild. I made racist/sexist jokes and I was an aggressive bully who really just wanted a friend. I really got off on confrontation and conflicts. I created problems in a lot of my friendships just for the fun of it. Oddly enough, when it comes to things I'm emotionally invested in such as my values, I can end up crying and feeling hopeless thinking about the state of the world.

I really love helping others but I don't really do it because I care. Being as helpful as I possibly can is one of my values. I believe in loyalty but, and while this might seem selfish, if I had to choose between my friends or being true to myself and my morals, I would choose myself any day. I don't really like loyalty very much because I feel like people should do things because they think it's the right thing to do rather than because they care.

I love schedules and plans. I absolutely cannot adapt. I always need a plan and around 3 back-up plans. I need to be able to put things in perspective. Is what I'm doing going to matter in 40 years? I believe in productive fun and I absolutely hate things that have no purpose. I want to be as efficient as I possibly can.

I remember being very escapist when I was young and I still am to a certain extent. Reality is so disappointing and living in my head is much more satisfying. But then I feel pathetic and end up planning out my vision of how reality should be like. I love to research in the library regarding this. I am not a knowledge for knowledge's sake person, applied knowledge is definitely my thing.

I hate talking about abstract things because what's the point? What am I gaining from talking about it? I love having fun and grabbing opportunities to experience the moment as much as I can. If I don't have anything to do, at least. I like to keep things light-hearted and I hate anything gloomy when I'm in this sort of mood. I do things for impact, for a reaction. Whoever gets the most laughs and gasps, wins. I'm getting better at putting on a show and entertaining people. But I usually never live in the moment and I'm quite the obsessive planner.

What do you think??

You're an ENTJ. You want structure and rules and think logically and externally, which indicates Te, and your strong internal value system indicates Fi. Your Se would explain your love for "living in the moment," and if you have Se, then, by definition, you have Ni. QED: You're an ENTJ.

Welcome to the forum!

-Duxwing

 

[wonkavision]

What do you think??

Have you considered INFJ?

If not, I suggest you look into it.

 

[pjoa09]

Have you considered INFJ?

If not, I suggest you look into it.

Hell no, we have a sucker for morality.

ENTJ.

Would have tried ENFP if you hated schedules.
But that is as far as I can even go.

ENTJ.

ENTJ for sure.

 

[Cavallier]

Not an ENTJ. If you were an ENTJ you would not be here questioning your type. You would be out in the real world instead of here pondering.

This may not go over well but...ENFJ is my guess.

 

[ILYGodney]

Not an ENTJ. If you were an ENTJ you would not be here questioning your type. You would be out in the real world instead of here pondering.

This may not go over well but...ENFJ is my guess.

Couldn't any type do that though? And since ENFJs are also Je doms, wouldn't they be out in the real world too? Where do you see Fe/Ti?

 

[ILYGodney]

Hell no, we have a sucker for morality.

ENTJ.

Would have tried ENFP if you hated schedules.
But that is as far as I can even go.

ENTJ.

ENTJ for sure.

Lol you sound very sure.

 

[ILYGodney]

Have you considered INFJ?

If not, I suggest you look into it.

I have but my Ti isn't too good, I doubt it could be my tertiary.

 

[ILYGodney]

You're an ENTJ. You want structure and rules and think logically and externally, which indicates Te, and your strong internal value system indicates Fi. Your Se would explain your love for "living in the moment," and if you have Se, then, by definition, you have Ni. QED: You're an ENTJ.

Welcome to the forum!

-Duxwing

Hmm I see. Thanks! I hope I'll understand Ti one day.

 

[Starswirl]

I decided on INTJ a while ago but then I realized that I'm probably not an introvert. I get energized when I interact with the external world

E

and at my worst, I get obsessed with people and everything that's going around me, while refusing to reflect.

Se

(I was so oblivious to my environment)

N?

and a bossy know-it-all. I honestly don't know how. How did they expect me to function in a household without structure and rules?

EXTJ

I have a lot of strong values and morals. I would probably die for them actually. I abide by my moral code no matter what. I actually have moral rules.

Fi

When I was younger, I never had morals and I was somewhat wild. I made racist/sexist jokes and I was an aggressive bully who really just wanted a friend. I really got off on confrontation and conflicts. I created problems in a lot of my friendships just for the fun of it.

EXTX

Oddly enough, when it comes to things I'm emotionally invested in such as my values, I can end up crying and feeling hopeless thinking about the state of the world.

Fi

I really love helping others but I don't really do it because I care. Being as helpful as I possibly can is one of my values. I believe in loyalty but, and while this might seem selfish, if I had to choose between my friends or being true to myself and my morals, I would choose myself any day.

T

I don't really like loyalty very much because I feel like people should do things because they think it's the right thing to do rather than because they care.

Fi

I love schedules and plans. I absolutely cannot adapt. I always need a plan and around 3 back-up plans. I need to be able to put things in perspective. Is what I'm doing going to matter in 40 years?

J

I believe in productive fun and I absolutely hate things that have no purpose. I want to be as efficient as I possibly can.

XNTJ

I remember being very escapist when I was young and I still am to a certain extent. Reality is so disappointing and living in my head is much more satisfying.

N, also a bit of I (although this could be explained through other variables).

But then I feel pathetic and end up planning out my vision of how reality should be like. I love to research in the library regarding this.

NT

I am not a knowledge for knowledge's sake person, applied knowledge is definitely my thing.

J, especially NTJ.

I hate talking about abstract things because what's the point? What am I gaining from talking about it?

S or J. Since you seem to be capable of abstract thinking, but you just think that it's useless, I'd say J.

I love having fun and grabbing opportunities to experience the moment as much as I can. If I don't have anything to do, at least.

Se

I like to keep things light-hearted and I hate anything gloomy when I'm in this sort of mood. I do things for impact, for a reaction. Whoever gets the most laughs and gasps, wins. I'm getting better at putting on a show and entertaining people.

Ni? Also some Fi.

I usually never live in the moment and I'm quite the obsessive planner.

XNXJ

What do you think??

If you're pretty sure that you're an extrovert, then I conclude:

Spoiler

ENTJ, with a strong Fi developed by childhood trauma

 

[ILYGodney]

E


Se


N?


EXTJ



Fi


EXTX


Fi


T



Fi

J


XNTJ


N, also a bit of I (although this could be explained through other variables).


NT

J, especially NTJ.


S or J. Since you seem to be capable of abstract thinking, but you just think that it's useless, I'd say J.



Se

Ni? Also some Fi.



XNXJ


If you're pretty sure that you're an extrovert, then I conclude:

Spoiler

ENTJ, with a strong Fi developed by childhood trauma

Thanks for the in-depth analysis! Yeah, what's confusing me is that a lot of people seem to think I'm an ENFJ.

 

[ILYGodney]

Thanks!

 

[ILYGodney]

Is planning for fun a Je thing?

 

[Starswirl]

Is planning for fun a Je thing?

Oh yes. I believe that many ENTJs have relationship problems related to wanting sex to be carefully scheduled in advance.

 

[Cavallier]

Oh yes. I believe that many ENTJs have relationship problems related to wanting sex to be carefully scheduled in advance.

Hmmm...

I'm married to one and I really don't find that to be a problem. At all.

 

[ILYGodney]

Oh yes. I believe that many ENTJs have relationship problems related to wanting sex to be carefully scheduled in advance.

LOL I can see that happening with me.

 

[ILYGodney]

So am I an ENTJ for sure?

 

[ILYGodney]

Hmmm...

I'm married to one and I really don't find that to be a problem. At all.

Interesting, how's that like?

 

[Reluctantly]

I don't really like loyalty very much because I feel like people should do things because they think it's the right thing to do rather than because they care.

Sweet.

I've had similar thoughts growing up. I'd wonder why people would equate some kind of reward with ethics, as if people are supposed to be ethical for something in return, rather than because an act can be benevolent and ethical in itself. I've always thought something is seriously wrong with people being praised and rewarded for doing what's right...then it sends the wrong message and isn't all that right anymore...

What enneagram do you think you are?

 

[ILYGodney]

Sweet.

I've had similar thoughts growing up. I'd wonder why people would equate some kind of reward with ethics, as if people are supposed to be ethical for something in return, rather than because an act can be benevolent and ethical in itself. I've always thought something is seriously wrong with people being praised and rewarded for doing what's right...then it sends the wrong message and isn't all that right anymore...

What enneagram do you think you are?

I completely agree with you. It makes people self-righteous and conceited.

I'm a 3w2 with a strong 1w2 gut fix. You?

 

[Reluctantly]

I completely agree with you. It makes people self-righteous and conceited.

I'm a 3w2 with a strong 1w2 gut fix. You?

I'm not really sure. I read a 4w5 sp/sx description that sounded pretty accurate. I've also thought 9w8 sp/sx could be right as well. I think that makes me 4,5, and 9 tritype.

 

[ILYGodney]

I'm not really sure. I read a 4w5 sp/sx description that sounded pretty accurate. I've also thought 9w8 sp/sx could be right as well. I think that makes me 4,5, and 9 tritype.

Ah okay., I'm an so/sx. And that's actually really interesting, it means you're triple withdrawn (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/enneagram/49654-contemplative-459-495-549-594-945-954-a.html)

So what do you think of my type? ENTJ? I honestly think I could be an ENFJ but that could be my 2 wing.