Focusing on what really matters

[Black Rose]

Memory works in chunks. The key aspect is getting the right information about a problem at the right time. So when we look into the world it is the salience network that compresses all the irrelevant data to the chunk we should be working on. When that is done we get it right what goal we were looking to achieve. Over many years this process has become highly effective through a critical observation of when we failed and succeded.

Why You Might Be Just Intelligent And Not Wise | Lex Fridman and John Vervaeke​

 

[ZenRaiden]

wisdom is experience acquired overtime compressed.

Today we practice one part of the brain and only one part of brain.

Children in schools have virtually no real experience until age 25 and even beyond.

Clever people are plenty and everyone is clever.

Wisdom comes from the word wis dominion, wis vis comes from to videt to see

to have seen and mastered ergo vis dom wisdom.

 

[Black Rose]

I remember that all we did was work though.

We did not have much in line with why we did things.

We just did it because if we did not, well me personally I did the work.

I think that all kids have their unique way of learning.

But for kids that could memorize things they did the best and went to college.

I cannot memorize, I was bored so that I think of other things to do after doing homework. I read books in the library with pictures.

I suppose that when you can memorize, you can do work requiring instruction manuals. If you can follow the manuals then thinking does not become a priority.

The symbols in math classes did not mean anything to me, but some things I understand now. The thing is that they teach math in such a way that you forget that in the past you need to do things without calculators or computers. So the symbols meant something because you made something with them. Instead, they gave us symbols that I could not know what they referred to.

I also remember they did not give us books about what computers did. They only had us copy some lines of code and I got nowhere. But I suppose if you can memorize you can learn all the code words and then make stuff with them. Basically, there were no first principles involved.

One kid could draw well in class, I did not draw well but we had flash animation and had to make stuff in it. And we had to do Photoshop and make web pages. I wanted to put a music file on a webpage HTML file I made but did not know how. This was before YouTube embedding. Even now I do not get much from computer tools. Tools are made for a job, you do not make the tools yourself so there is no creativity there.

It might be that apprenticeship would have worked for me to do things, and learn these tools and symbols. That is not how schools work. They look for people who are basically human calculators. And most kids get left behind.

Yesterday I found out my mom has an IQ of 80 and I suppose mine is 110.

It makes sense now why she would not help me with my homework.

My sister is 90, but then she has the ability to draw photorealistic images.

My brother is probably 120 but he makes stuff and does not care about software.

My aunt was a schoolteacher so she might be 105 -

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I just remember that in school I had to think all the time because no one wanted to talk to me and I just did the work and not much else. Thinking makes you have some ability to have ideas no one else has. Once I was on Marilyn von savant's forum, and I was on the Kurzwil forum. they had most of the ideas I had and it was interesting.

So it was that all I did was think for a long time before I had the internet. which I had the internet after 2014 in a way I became addicted and stopped thinking as much but I do remember that I can think still.

In bed I think sometimes, I write stuff down. I have many things I wrote but did not know math yet. if I had then might work it all out which I do now a little.

my notebook I have now has 70 pages but I might need it latter when I need to make things more clear to me. it's not there yet, in my ADD I stare at it sometimes and scribble. It is not fully formed in my head and is why I get anxiety sometimes.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I feel like the shared meaning we have of "intelligence" is too vague.

Furthermore, that shared meaning implicitly ties intelligence to efficiency, which in my eyes is a pigeonhole on the notion.

I'm not saying we should call rocks intelligent obviously, but the character that the matter that is that rock has qualities to change and adapt as does the matter in our brains.

Without even debating that, it's easy to see how our idea of awareness is also tied to intelligence, even though awareness may be absent while someone does something that is accepted as intelligent (efficient.)

Among psychologists and philosophers no doubt there is a better technical sense about what is being talked about. But it's strange to engage in a place when you know most people are going to take colloquial terms and interchange them with very important technical terms.

 

[ZenRaiden]

No one in real life knows your IQ and wants to know it.
Which is good.
If you are smart, most people will underestimate you and think you are dumb.
If you are dumb, most people will say Oh yeah dummy does stupid things.
He could not help it.
Either way being considered dumb has so many advantages.

On flip side when you show you can do something it does not matter what your IQ so long as you can do it.
If you are dumb and can do smart things, more bonus points.

So essentially as long as people think you are dumb you have very high advantage.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I feel like the shared meaning we have of "intelligence" is too vague.

Dragonflies have a high hunting success rate, with some species able to catch their prey in mid-air up to 95% of the time

The hunting success rate of eagles is typically around 10-20%.



does this mean that dragonflies are more intelligent than eagles ?

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I feel like the shared meaning we have of "intelligence" is too vague.

 

[Old Things]

I don't like the guy from the video. Can't quite place it. Just something about him seems pretentious or something.

Humility is good. It keeps us grounded in what really matters, which is relationships. This guy seems like he spends all his time looking at the belly button lint in his brain.

He seems to think self ascendence is what makes you a better person. I believe, as a Christian,

Matthew 23:11-12
"The greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

 

[Old Things]

I feel like the shared meaning we have of "intelligence" is too vague.

This reduces our essence or our nature to our goals and intelligence. That is a false view. People have a lot going on with them. Sometimes people do no operate in a mechanistic way. This should be obvious. For example, you would have to prove that every phobia every single person has had is based on an experience they have had. Why? Because the experience generates their goals. It proxies their axioms to make them fear something. But sometimes people imagine something that makes them have a phobia. Or a person can develop an odd interest that no one told them about. Why? Human nature. People are not machines. They experience things and it affects them, but ultimately they have something inside them that "decides" what they will do. I am not saying that we all have the same inherent goals outside of the things everyone has. Some people are liberal. Some people are conservative. Some people are libertarian. Some people believe in libertarian free will. Some people are determinists. Some people are compatibilists. This all has a lot more to do with what the person is at their core than just things that influence them to think a certain way. For example, my sister is a super woke liberal and my brother is a super down-to-earth conservative. Why? They both have the same parents and both largely had the same upbringing. One goes left one goes right. Because of their human nature.

 

[ZenRaiden]

This reduces our essence or our nature to our goals and intelligence. That is a false view. People have a lot going on with them

Very good point.
If I functioned in a linear robotic way I would not be the human I am.
In fact the way we work is entirely different than we think.
We have so many needs that are not immediately apparent of a pragmatic goal.

 

[Black Rose]

Without even debating that, it's easy to see how our idea of awareness is also tied to intelligence, even though awareness may be absent while someone does something that is accepted as intelligent (efficient.)

Among psychologists and philosophers no doubt there is a better technical sense about what is being talked about

Over time we can zero in on things, I have often made efforts to know what the best thing to do is by holding back on certain actions that would not benefit anyone. I also reflect on the best things to say in a given situation. This works I believe by a mechanism of self-consequentialism. I have had many opportunities to see what happens when I do or do not perform certain actions. In other words, I learned from my mistakes and can now evaluate in real time what can happen.

As I once mentioned, self-control is a looping process. We are directing ourselves by changing where loops connect. This process generates self-awareness through a delayed gratification of sorts. A main loop forms that allows reflection to occur. So even if someone does have greater intelligence, they might not reflect much versus a person who reflects a lot and has less intelligence.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I wrote this up and didn't post it. Now there are replies and this is sitting in my drafts. Nothing personal.

Dragonflies have a high hunting success rate, with some species able to catch their prey in mid-air up to 95% of the time

The hunting success rate of eagles is typically around 10-20%.



does this mean that dragonflies are more intelligent than eagles ?

When a baby kolah digs into it's mother's ass to eat shit, it has 100% success rate. Are they more intelligent than dragonflies?

This works I believe by a mechanism of self-consequentialism. I have had many opportunities to see what happens when I do or do not perform certain actions. In other words, I learned from my mistakes and can now evaluate in real time what can happen.

I mean, I suppose you feel comfortable with the security that you are able to accrue wisdom, and basically can tell the future.

That is a big component of intelligence. Though, people seem to be interested with "innate" intelligence, being able to spot a solution to a novel problem you've never seen before.

Maybe it's vanity, but I too want to know, how little information can we give a specimen and still have it succeed?


Besides that curiosity, innate intelligence is a shallow slice of humans experience, and most people who judge someone based on it are also shallow.

 

[Black Rose]

I mean, I suppose you feel comfortable with the security that you are able to accrue wisdom, and basically can tell the future.

That is a big component of intelligence. Though, people seem to be interested with "innate" intelligence, being able to spot a solution to a novel problem you've never seen before.

Maybe it's vanity, but I too want to know, how little information can we give a specimen and still have it succeed?


Besides that curiosity, innate intelligence is a shallow slice of humans experience, and most people who judge someone based on it are also shallow.

Ever since I got a Furby and Tomogatchi in 1998 I wanted to make something artificially intelligent.

I looked into several theories of intelligence.

Overall I'd say it is the structure of which everything is working together all at the same time.

This would lead to a grid pattern in the front and back of the brain (top and bottom too)

Everything would cris-cross allowing for comparisons of perceptions.

Comparison is what happens to decide what goes with what. (along with certain drives)

I call it a working memory hash table. All the brain is involved.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

When a baby kolah digs into it's mother's ass to eat shit, it has 100% success rate. Are they more intelligent than dragonflies?

are they hitting a moving target in three dimensional space ?