Finally discovered my true self

[ILYGodney]

Okay so I just realized that I've been a J wannabe my whole life or at least I've been trying to play up my J qualities. I've always been trying to fit into this role of structured, controlled person but I never fit for some reason. I always thought I was inferior for constantly procrastinating and never getting anything done, etc. So anyway, I've decided to embrace who I really am and develop that person instead of putting on personas and taking on other people's personality traits.

Well I don't know what to do. I guess I'll start talking about my childhood?

I was a very shy and quiet half the time and rambunctious/hyperactive the other half. I'm still the same in many ways but I'm not very hyperactive anymore when I'm in talking mode. More like borderline hyperactive.

When I was 11 years old, I was super into fashion (still am today to a certain extent) and I had interesting ways to express myself. I would make sock purses, big flower felt clips, and wear long skirts with hats during most of 6th grade and a bit of 7th too. I was disliked by a lot of people too because I was, considered "weird." Nearly everyone compared me to Luna Lovegood. I was a socially oblivious loudmouth half of the time (the other half, I was a shy recluse) and people got offended by me quite a lot.

I also was unhealthy during 8th grade (and a bit of 9th) and I would be pushy and aggressive with people when I thought they were doing something wrong. For example, I had this friend who's brother was getting bullied by this one kid. Whenever I saw that kid, I always tried to get him to apologize to them (he never did though since he didn't remember). In 9th grade, whenever I thought my friends were invalidating someone's feelings or being sexist, I would assert my opinion immediately and go all moral crusader on their ass lol. I also got into this argument with this one guy about rape and after the argument ended, I cried about the injustice in the world.

After a while, I decided not to get myself involved in debates regarding my personal beliefs since I always end up getting too emotionally involved. At first I'm like, "oh sure, I can totally handle this," but later on, I'm like, "Oh my god, I'm drowning in injustice!" It also brings out the worst in me and I'm not too comfortable with that. Of course, when someone can potentially get harmed, I need to get involved.

This might be one of those too not positive aspects of myself but I don't know. I had this fight with a friend a few months ago because she kept telling me what to say/what not to say and insulting me whenever I said something she perceived to be "wrong." She also put these unspoken social obligations on me. I don't like people who do either. I think it's terrible when people shame others for not saying or feeling appropriate things. And I think some people get too worked up about being proper and not offending others. I think social obligations are really odd especially when it comes to friendships. Though I think there are some things you obviously shouldn't say. Like you shouldn't tell a friend they're overreacting or being oversensitive when they're complaining or talking about something that's obviously important to them.

I've always been a pretty straight-forward and blunt person. I don't like sugar-coating very much even though I love complimenting others. I hate people who are too nice all the time. It makes me uncomfortable and it doesn't feel very real to me. I also hate it when people are indirect pushovers and think they're these super nice people because of that.

I don't have many goals for the future. Goals are not for me and I've decided to just work on being the best I can possibly be (that sounds really cheesy, I know) but yeah. I always end up changing my mind on what I want to do since everything sounds so fun. I absolutely know for sure that I want to see my morals reflected in reality though so I think I'll try to go about making that happen. I think embracing self-expression would be best for me too.

So what do you think my type is? Thanks for reading all this!

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Would you be surprised at all if you fit the INFP label? I'm not even going by your emotional reaction, really, but the way you phrase things.

 

[ℜεмїηїs¢εη¢ε]

Being into fashion and caring about others people's feelings that much is very atypical of an INTP. When I get into a debate with someone it isn't because they are hurting someone's feelings, it's because I want to understand something better.

 

[ILYGodney]

Would you be surprised at all if you fit the INFP label? I'm not even going by your emotional reaction, really, but the way you phrase things.

I could see it. Interesting, how do I phrase things in an INFP way?

Being into fashion and caring about others people's feelings that much is very atypical of an INTP. When I get into a debate with someone it isn't because they are hurting someone's feelings, it's because I want to understand something better.

Not really. An INTP in touch with their ESFJ shadow could be very concerned with other people's feelings while any type could be interested in fashion. Also, I haven't typed myself as an INTP. I am currently type-less and trying to figure out what MBTI type I am.

 

[Montresor]

When I was 11 years old, I was super into fashion (still am today to a certain extent) and I had interesting ways to express myself. I would make sock purses, big flower felt clips, and wear long skirts with hats during most of 6th grade and a bit of 7th too. I was disliked by a lot of people too because I was, considered "weird."

Score 1 point for INFP

I was a socially oblivious loudmouth half of the time (the other half, I was a shy recluse) and people got offended by me quite a lot.

Just like me.

I also was unhealthy during 8th grade (and a bit of 9th) and I would be pushy and aggressive with people when I thought they were doing something wrong. For example, I had this friend who's brother was getting bullied by this one kid. Whenever I saw that kid, I always tried to get him to apologize to them (he never did though since he didn't remember). In 9th grade, whenever I thought my friends were invalidating someone's feelings or being sexist, I would assert my opinion immediately and go all moral crusader on their ass lol. I also got into this argument with this one guy about rape and after the argument ended, I cried about the injustice in the world.

Oh bang. Fi doms don't really act like this in my experience. Perhaps auxiliary? This is rather wordly-based for introverted feeling.

After a while, I decided not to get myself involved in debates regarding my personal beliefs since I always end up getting too emotionally involved. At first I'm like, "oh sure, I can totally handle this," but later on, I'm like, "Oh my god, I'm drowning in injustice!" It also brings out the worst in me and I'm not too comfortable with that. Of course, when someone can potentially get harmed, I need to get involved.

So are you INFJ?

This might be one of those too not positive aspects of myself but I don't know. I had this fight with a friend a few months ago because she kept telling me what to say/what not to say and insulting me whenever I said something she perceived to be "wrong." She also put these unspoken social obligations on me. I don't like people who do either.

Ah yes, your friend sounds ESFJ! Avoid.

I think it's terrible when people shame others for not saying or feeling appropriate things. And I think some people get too worked up about being proper and not offending others.

I think it's hilarious ... sometime

I think social obligations are really odd especially when it comes to friendships. Though I think there are some things you obviously shouldn't say. Like you shouldn't tell a friend they're overreacting or being oversensitive when they're complaining or talking about something that's obviously important to them.

Personally, I would have to say that this kind of thing would never affect me this way.


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Well I'm not much of a typist but I wouldn't type you as INFP from the above post alone.

I guess you got no resolution from your Fi/Fe thread?

My guess, INFJ.?

 

[ILYGodney]

Score 1 point for INFP




Just like me.




Oh bang. Fi doms don't really act like this in my experience. Perhaps auxiliary? This is rather wordly-based for introverted feeling.




So are you INFJ?



Ah yes, your friend sounds ESFJ! Avoid.



I think it's hilarious ... sometime



Personally, I would have to say that this kind of thing would never affect me this way.


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Well I'm not much of a typist but I wouldn't type you as INFP from the above post alone.

I guess you got no resolution from your Fi/Fe thread?

My guess, INFJ.?

Hmm I see. Yeah, my old friend definitely seemed like an ESFJ. I think I'm an Fi user but I could see Fe. I'm not as socially oblivious anymore but I'm still a socially inappropriate loudmouth half the time and I don't care if I make people feel uncomfortable or angry but I do care about invalidating someone's feelings and experiences because of how I relate to that? Why INFJ? Thanks for replying btw.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Oh bang. Fi doms don't really act like this in my experience. Perhaps auxiliary? This is rather wordly-based for introverted feeling.

Yes they do, he/she was talking about the 9th grade for christs sake :P

Not like INFP's have been able to develop their other functions to balance out their inferior/dominant polarization. INFJ's don't get upset in the same way, they are more likely to be arrogant and get the other person upset with their (as teens) unwavering Ni judgements.

Sounds very much like Fi being channeled throught inferior extraverted thinking to me. Ie expecting too much of others, confusing the objective nature of Te with Fi by mixing the two up.

Furthermore the bursts of activity and energy contrasted with periods of shyness is also typical of INFP's.

I think celebritytypes have a video on this that can be useful, although it is a bit skewed because it makes Fe users seem superior :P

here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JR3_OtpJe8

 

[Montresor]

I think I'm an Fi user but I could see Fe. I'm not as socially oblivious anymore but I'm still a socially inappropriate loudmouth half the time and I don't care if I make people feel uncomfortable or angry but I do care about invalidating someone's feelings and experiences because of how I relate to that? Why INFJ? Thanks for replying btw.

Well this is a curious reply. I'll have to think it through.

I did watch that video that cherry cola posted it was pretty interesting. Honestly I can't even say who I am more like.

I thought you were INFJ b/c you talk about your desire to protect other people and causes (for one, but I won't really get into that because you shouldn't type folks that way), but also b/c your concerns appear to be global in scale, not individual.

Fi is occasionally characterized as being very selfish in nature.

In addition to this, I got a strong sense from your post that you draw these F-based conclusions very quickly and accurately ... as is typical of the Ni perceiving function. They seem to be logically sound and astute in nature, and generally not whimsical, like Ne perceptions.

(OK I know that somebody might take issue with the above paragraph because it is not consistent with Jungian typology theory) but I'm not talking about N-perceptions alone, but rather, the whole package (NiFe v. FiNe).

Yes they do, he/she was talking about the 9th grade for christs sake :P

Not like INFP's have been able to develop their other functions to balance out their inferior/dominant polarization. INFJ's don't get upset in the same way, they are more likely to be arrogant and get the other person upset with their (as teens) unwavering Ni judgements.

Sounds very much like Fi being channeled throught inferior extraverted thinking to me. Ie expecting too much of others, confusing the objective nature of Te with Fi by mixing the two up.

Furthermore the bursts of activity and energy contrasted with periods of shyness is also typical of INFP's.

I think celebritytypes have a video on this that can be useful, although it is a bit skewed because it makes Fe users seem superior :P

here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JR3_OtpJe8

Thanks Cherry Cola for the awesome post, but I now wish to pick it apart a bit, because your sarcastic tone has irked me.

1.

Yes they do, he/she was talking about the 9th grade for christs sake :P

Take that tongue and use it to lick your own butthole. This is Fi>Te and I hope you get a clearer picture. Usually these things I try to keep to myself but I post it now to make a point.

Your argument is flawed at the outset, because it offers up validation and rejection at the same time. So which is it? Do Fi doms get angry (and interfere) when they see people being oppressed or do they generally keep that shit to themselves, because it doesn't concern them? Or is there a third option? Please type out option 3.

I guess something I have to consider is I don't really understand INFP all that well.

For clarity: the point being discussed is this:

I would be pushy and aggressive with people when I thought they were doing something wrong. For example, I had this friend who's brother was getting bullied by this one kid. Whenever I saw that kid, I always tried to get him to apologize to them (he never did though since he didn't remember). In 9th grade, whenever I thought my friends were invalidating someone's feelings or being sexist, I would assert my opinion immediately and go all moral crusader on their ass lol. I also got into this argument with this one guy about rape and after the argument ended, I cried about the injustice in the world.

Spoiler

This might look like a strawman fallacy on the surface but know that it's intentional and I would rather you answer the new question than re-post about how your argument is not flawed. In the event that you do, please make sure it is coherent and conclusive so I know not to engage that line any further.

2.

unwavering Ni judgements.

nice one.

3.

Sounds very much like Fi being channeled throught inferior extraverted thinking to me. Ie expecting too much of others, confusing the objective nature of Te with Fi by mixing the two up.

Well I won't argue that you're wrong, but my understanding is the Te-grip experience has more to do with telling people off and hurling insults, "speaking in polemics (dux)", and a compelling desire for "closure" in stressful situations. Generally tactless and hurtful, however most people recognize that it is insincere.



Anyways I found this, which I have read before, as I'm sure everybody else has, but it's very straightforward and accurate, regarding the Te function in Fi-doms.

@ILYGodney maybe check this out.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Well this is a curious reply. I'll have to think it through.

I did watch that video that cherry cola posted it was pretty interesting. Honestly I can't even say who I am more like.

I thought you were INFJ b/c you talk about your desire to protect other people and causes (for one, but I won't really get into that because you shouldn't type folks that way), but also b/c your concerns appear to be global in scale, not individual.

Fi is occasionally characterized as being very selfish in nature.

In addition to this, I got a strong sense from your post that you draw these F-based conclusions very quickly and accurately ... as is typical of the Ni perceiving function. They seem to be logically sound and astute in nature, and generally not whimsical, like Ne perceptions.

(OK I know that somebody might take issue with the above paragraph because it is not consistent with Jungian typology theory) but I'm not talking about N-perceptions alone, but rather, the whole package (NiFe v. FiNe).





Thanks Cherry Cola for the awesome post, but I now wish to pick it apart a bit, because your sarcastic tone has irked me.

1. Take that tongue and use it to lick your own butthole. This is Fi>Te and I hope you get a clearer picture. Usually these things I try to keep to myself but I post it now to make a point.

Your argument is flawed at the outset, because it offers up validation and rejection at the same time. So which is it? Do Fi doms get angry (and interfere) when they see people being oppressed or do they generally keep that shit to themselves, because it doesn't concern them? Or is there a third option? Please type out option 3.

I guess something I have to consider is I don't really understand INFP all that well.

For clarity: the point being discussed is this:

Spoiler

This might look like a strawman fallacy on the surface but know that it's intentional and I would rather you answer the new question than re-post about how your argument is not flawed. In the event that you do, please make sure it is coherent and conclusive so I know not to engage that line any further.

2. nice one.

3. Well I won't argue that you're wrong, but my understanding is the Te-grip experience has more to do with telling people off and hurling insults, "speaking in polemics (dux)", and a compelling desire for "closure" in stressful situations. Generally tactless and hurtful, however most people recognize that it is insincere.



Anyways I found this, which I have read before, as I'm sure everybody else has, but it's very straightforward and accurate, regarding the Te function in Fi-doms.

@ILYGodney maybe check this out.

INFP and ISFP's can be EXTREMELY bossy and uncompromising when they lose control of their inferior (good examples: Dylan and Lennon) and express their Fi judgements through it. I don't think I was being particularly sarcastic in pointing out that its obviously unreasonable to rule out INFP on the grounds of the behavior described and when age is considered. It isn't simply Fi>Te when they are dom and inferior, and especially at an age when the inferior is not yet reigned in.

And yes of course there is a third option, everyones an individual, I don't get what you want me to describe. Offering validation and rejection at the same time is a necessity rather than a failure, different functions can result in similar behaviour.

I was going to read the link you posted but the page doesn't load for me : (

Edit: worked now, already read, but skimmed through, op fits the bill imo

 

[ILYGodney]

Interesting discussion! I could definitely see INFJ though I'm not sure where my Ti is. I don't think I've ever related to any description of Ti. So that's a bit confusing. INFP seems fitting but where's my Ne/Si? I think I could be any FP, to be honest.

 

[ILYGodney]

INFP and ISFP's can be EXTREMELY bossy and uncompromising when they lose control of their inferior (good examples: Dylan and Lennon) and express their Fi judgements through it. I don't think I was being particularly sarcastic in pointing out that its obviously unreasonable to rule out INFP on the grounds of the behavior described and when age is considered. It isn't simply Fi>Te when they are dom and inferior, and especially at an age when the inferior is not yet reigned in.

And yes of course there is a third option, everyones an individual, I don't get what you want me to describe. Offering validation and rejection at the same time is a necessity rather than a failure, different functions can result in similar behaviour.

I was going to read the link you posted but the page doesn't load for me : (

Edit: worked now, already read, but skimmed through, op fits the bill imo

That makes a lot of sense, actually.

I did relate to quite a bit of that page. I used to explode or get super annoyed when anyone would question my integrity.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I could see it. Interesting, how do I phrase things in an INFP way?

*Dons his... special suit, and prepares the dowsing rods*

Spoiler

I'm still the same in many ways but I'm not very hyperactive anymore when I'm in talking mode. More like borderline hyperactive.

I had interesting ways to express myself.

a socially oblivious loudmouth half of the time (the other half, I was a shy recluse)

I also was unhealthy

and I would be pushy and aggressive with people when I thought they were doing something wrong.

whenever I thought my friends were invalidating someone's feelings

injustice in the world.

After a while, I decided not to get myself involved in debates regarding my personal beliefs since I always end up getting too emotionally involved.

"Oh my god, I'm drowning in injustice!"

It also brings out the worst in me and I'm not too comfortable with that.

This might be one of those too not positive aspects of myself but I don't know.

unspoken social obligations

I think it's terrible when people shame others for not saying or feeling appropriate things.

I think social obligations are really odd especially when it comes to friendships. Though I think there are some things you obviously shouldn't say. Like you shouldn't tell a friend they're overreacting or being oversensitive when they're complaining or talking about something that's obviously important to them.

I also hate it when people are indirect pushovers and think they're these super nice people because of that.

I don't have many goals for the future. Goals are not for me and I've decided to just work on being the best I can possibly be (that sounds really cheesy, I know) but yeah.

my morals reflected in reality

I think embracing self-expression would be best for me too.

There's a certain quality that allows you to phrase things in such a way that they're lyrical while simultaneously getting to the point, that meshes well with a tendency toward incomplete/informal sentence structure and a very specific yet nebulous use of "and."

 

[ILYGodney]

*Dons his... special suit, and prepares the dowsing rods*
There's a certain quality that allows you to phrase things in such a way that they're lyrical while simultaneously getting to the point, that meshes well with a tendency toward incomplete/informal sentence structure and a very specific yet nebulous use of "and."

Hmm yeah, my writing style does seem very Pe.

 

[Montresor]

Interesting discussion! I could definitely see INFJ though I'm not sure where my Ti is. I don't think I've ever related to any description of Ti. So that's a bit confusing. INFP seems fitting but where's my Ne/Si? I think I could be any FP, to be honest.

No you should probably reject INFJ for another type if you're not sold on it.

That's why I made sure to add that I'm really not much good at typing.

So you don't know your perceiving function? No surprise there - have fun trying to explain your subjective experience to yourself in an unbiased fashion as you pore over Jung's notes.....

 

[ILYGodney]

No you should probably reject INFJ for another type if you're not sold on it.

That's why I made sure to add that I'm really not much good at typing.

So you don't know your perceiving function? No surprise there - have fun trying to explain your subjective experience to yourself in an unbiased fashion as you pore over Jung's notes.....

Yeah it probably isn't my type.

You seem fair enough.

Nope, and the descriptions on the Internet are pretty confusing. I grasped the judging functions much easier.

 

[Jennywocky]

Not really. An INTP in touch with their ESFJ shadow could be very concerned with other people's feelings while any type could be interested in fashion.

Possibly... but not in the ways stated.

First of all, it is very rare to see a nuanced Fe in a teenager who is an INTP, where Fe dominates interactions. If that was the case, the teen would likely be horribly conflicted and struggling with self-hate (because the two sides would be constantly tearing each other down); and also the teen would not really be an INTP if Fe was dominant.

Second of all, an INTP can develop more nuanced Fe skills, but it usually is an arduous process and takes some years, it happens later in adulthood. I agree with ℜεмїηїs¢εη¢ε's comments that typically the need to understand is more dominant in an INTP than the need to stop someone from hurting another's feelings -- although I think an E9 INTP is far more likely to intervene than a pure E5. It really depends on the INTP's background.

When I was 11 years old, I was super into fashion (still am today to a certain extent) and I had interesting ways to express myself. I would make sock purses, big flower felt clips, and wear long skirts with hats during most of 6th grade and a bit of 7th too.

Oh btw, is it wrong to assume you are female?

I also was unhealthy during 8th grade (and a bit of 9th) and I would be pushy and aggressive with people when I thought they were doing something wrong. For example, I had this friend who's brother was getting bullied by this one kid. Whenever I saw that kid, I always tried to get him to apologize to them (he never did though since he didn't remember). In 9th grade, whenever I thought my friends were invalidating someone's feelings or being sexist, I would assert my opinion immediately and go all moral crusader on their ass lol. I also got into this argument with this one guy about rape and after the argument ended, I cried about the injustice in the world.

Oh bang. Fi doms don't really act like this in my experience. Perhaps auxiliary? This is rather wordly-based for introverted feeling.

That sounds more ENFP, if I had to pick, honestly.

I agree that IFPs tend to internalize a lot at first, and use careful language when they finally do engage... although there is an occasional INFP firebrand.

My INFJ daughter actually was championing underdogs in middle school, while remaining liked by others. (She could float among all the cliques without really being a part of one.) But it was also very stressful for her.

Well I won't argue that you're wrong, but my understanding is the Te-grip experience has more to do with telling people off and hurling insults, "speaking in polemics (dux)", and a compelling desire for "closure" in stressful situations. Generally tactless and hurtful, however most people recognize that it is insincere.

As far as "grip" experiences go, yes, that's my view on Te manifestation as well. It basically tries to dominate and control, to force everyone in whatever way possible, into its desired outcome.

INFP and ISFP's can be EXTREMELY bossy and uncompromising when they lose control of their inferior (good examples: Dylan and Lennon) and express their Fi judgements through it.

Which is true. But I'm not sure that's a typical way of life for them, unless they're in a really crappy long-term situation, and it will unsettle them because it's not a natural approach.

If someone is habitually being bossy and uncompromising, I'd look at a different type. (For example, ENFP has no problems with getting in the mud with people over idealist issues. ESFP tends to want to be a little more positive, but it still capable.)

I also was unhealthy during 8th grade (and a bit of 9th) and I would be pushy and aggressive with people when I thought they were doing something wrong. For example, I had this friend who's brother was getting bullied by this one kid. Whenever I saw that kid, I always tried to get him to apologize to them (he never did though since he didn't remember). In 9th grade, whenever I thought my friends were invalidating someone's feelings or being sexist, I would assert my opinion immediately and go all moral crusader on their ass lol. I also got into this argument with this one guy about rape and after the argument ended, I cried about the injustice in the world.

After a while, I decided not to get myself involved in debates regarding my personal beliefs since I always end up getting too emotionally involved. At first I'm like, "oh sure, I can totally handle this," but later on, I'm like, "Oh my god, I'm drowning in injustice!" It also brings out the worst in me and I'm not too comfortable with that. Of course, when someone can potentially get harmed, I need to get involved.

What is your typical behavior nowadays, how hard is it for you to maintain it, and are you happy?

This might be one of those too not positive aspects of myself but I don't know. I had this fight with a friend a few months ago because she kept telling me what to say/what not to say and insulting me whenever I said something she perceived to be "wrong." She also put these unspoken social obligations on me. I don't like people who do either. I think it's terrible when people shame others for not saying or feeling appropriate things. And I think some people get too worked up about being proper and not offending others. I think social obligations are really odd especially when it comes to friendships. Though I think there are some things you obviously shouldn't say. Like you shouldn't tell a friend they're overreacting or being oversensitive when they're complaining or talking about something that's obviously important to them.

I've always been a pretty straight-forward and blunt person. I don't like sugar-coating very much even though I love complimenting others. I hate people who are too nice all the time. It makes me uncomfortable and it doesn't feel very real to me. I also hate it when people are indirect pushovers and think they're these super nice people because of that.

I would keep EFP on the table as possible types. And, lesser possibility, ENTP.

 

[ILYGodney]

Possibly... but not in the ways stated.

First of all, it is very rare to see a nuanced Fe in a teenager who is an INTP, where Fe dominates interactions. If that was the case, the teen would likely be horribly conflicted and struggling with self-hate (because the two sides would be constantly tearing each other down); and also the teen would not really be an INTP if Fe was dominant.

Second of all, an INTP can develop more nuanced Fe skills, but it usually is an arduous process and takes some years, it happens later in adulthood. I agree with ℜεмїηїs¢εη¢ε's comments that typically the need to understand is more dominant in an INTP than the need to stop someone from hurting another's feelings -- although I think an E9 INTP is far more likely to intervene than a pure E5. It really depends on the INTP's background.

This makes a lot of sense actually. An E9 INTP with an E2 fix would probably be a lot softer than your typical E5 INTP.

Oh btw, is it wrong to assume you are female?

LOL nope

That sounds more ENFP, if I had to pick, honestly.

I agree that IFPs tend to internalize a lot at first, and use careful language when they finally do engage... although there is an occasional INFP firebrand.

My INFJ daughter actually was championing underdogs in middle school, while remaining liked by others. (She could float among all the cliques without really being a part of one.) But it was also very stressful for her.

Interesting, how so?

Maybe enneagram plays into it? I'm 1 fixed. I could never really do something like that lol. I'm not very socially graceful.

As far as "grip" experiences go, yes, that's my view on Te manifestation as well. It basically tries to dominate and control, to force everyone in whatever way possible, into its desired outcome.

Which is true. But I'm not sure that's a typical way of life for them, unless they're in a really crappy long-term situation, and it will unsettle them because it's not a natural approach.

If someone is habitually being bossy and uncompromising, I'd look at a different type. (For example, ENFP has no problems with getting in the mud with people over idealist issues. ESFP tends to want to be a little more positive, but it still capable.)

I do relate a lot to that.

I don't really like bossing and controlling others though. When I don't feel angry, I'm usually very nervous when it comes to confronting others about my morals and beliefs. I usually end up getting too emotionally involved and it's not a pleasant experience for me.

Hmm I see.

What is your typical behavior nowadays, how hard is it for you to maintain it, and are you happy?

I would keep EFP on the table as possible types. And, lesser possibility, ENTP.

I'm still a socially inappropriate loudmouth but I'm a bit more grounded and calmer. I have a stronger sense of self and I'm much more strong-willed. It isn't very hard for me to maintain, since I'm just being myself. I'm fairly happy for the most part. When I get a bit annoyed at injustice, I consider the consequences and what the result would be if I get involved. If what I say or do won't change much, I just don't get involved. But when I actually get angry, none of that matters and I end up being pretty confrontational. I'm fairly happy for the most part.

Why ENTP? Thanks for the in-depth reply btw.

 

[Jennywocky]

This makes a lot of sense actually. An E9 INTP with an E2 fix would probably be a lot softer than your typical E5 INTP.

Yeah. You see where I was going with that and why... E9 tend to be mediators, when conflict occurs, if they don't withdraw.

Maybe enneagram plays into it? I'm 1 fixed. I could never really do something like that lol. I'm not very socially graceful.

how's the 1 play out? You don't seem rigid, and the way 1's are defined leaves them more in the province of the INJ types -- internal severe severe core that guides their action. Or you get a 2w1 ISFJ with the same kind of severe Si values, who helps in accordance with those values but also judges.

I don't really like bossing and controlling others though. When I don't feel angry, I'm usually very nervous when it comes to confronting others about my morals and beliefs. I usually end up getting too emotionally involved and it's not a pleasant experience for me.

It would be interesting to get some ENFPs to talk about internal experience. Externally, they look more like 8's in how they engage, especially in values-based conflict. However, there has been discussion that inside they're a lot more vulnerable.

So what happens? Do you just leap into the fray anyway, then regret it afterwards? Or you only bring it up when there is someone being treated unfairly or abused?

My daughter actually had to leave the public school system for a bit because, despite being able to function fine on the service, inside it just tore her up. She doesn't do well in situations where people are being mean to others for no reason, or where he desire to adhere to social rules conflicts with her values.

I'm still a socially inappropriate loudmouth but I'm a bit more grounded and calmer. I have a stronger sense of self and I'm much more strong-willed. It isn't very hard for me to maintain, since I'm just being myself. I'm fairly happy for the most part. When I get a bit annoyed at injustice, I consider the consequences and what the result would be if I get involved. If what I say or do won't change much, I just don't get involved. But when I actually get angry, none of that matters and I end up being pretty confrontational. I'm fairly happy for the most part.

SO you feel more stable and content in this configuration, rather than frustrated that you're not "speaking your mind" or some other outcome?

Why ENTP? Thanks for the in-depth reply btw.

Much less chance for ENTP, but the working style is similar. They tend to be more detached, but I've noticed female ENTPs often get more of a rap for being "feelers" than the men do, because they tend to enter more situations where someone is being treated unfairly or dominated by powermongers, and they don't like it and speak bluntly. They can "sound" kind of "feeler-ish" in how they engage, but if you look at their core process, it's pretty rational despite any loud exterior.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Much less chance for ENTP, but the working style is similar. They tend to be more detached, but I've noticed female ENTPs often get more of a rap for being "feelers" than the men do, because they tend to enter more situations where someone is being treated unfairly or dominated by powermongers, and they don't like it and speak bluntly. They can "sound" kind of "feeler-ish" in how they engage, but if you look at their core process, it's pretty rational despite any loud exterior.

Male ENTP here, but I'll attest to this.

 

[ILYGodney]

Yeah. You see where I was going with that and why... E9 tend to be mediators, when conflict occurs, if they don't withdraw.

how's the 1 play out? You don't seem rigid, and the way 1's are defined leaves them more in the province of the INJ types -- internal severe severe core that guides their action. Or you get a 2w1 ISFJ with the same kind of severe Si values, who helps in accordance with those values but also judges.

I think that might be because I'm probably a Pe dom or Pe aux. I have very severe values, I care a lot about getting rid of injustice, and "fixing" the world.

It would be interesting to get some ENFPs to talk about internal experience. Externally, they look more like 8's in how they engage, especially in values-based conflict. However, there has been discussion that inside they're a lot more vulnerable.

That would be interesting! Yeah, a few people have actually gotten an 8w7 vibe from me. Which I find odd. I'm very emotionally sensitive regarding my values, but on the outside, I usually just seem angry and pushy.

So what happens? Do you just leap into the fray anyway, then regret it afterwards? Or you only bring it up when there is someone being treated unfairly or abused?

My daughter actually had to leave the public school system for a bit because, despite being able to function fine on the service, inside it just tore her up. She doesn't do well in situations where people are being mean to others for no reason, or where he desire to adhere to social rules conflicts with her values.

SO you feel more stable and content in this configuration, rather than frustrated that you're not "speaking your mind" or some other outcome?

I leap into the fray when I'm angry and I don't really regret it unless something especially awful was said. Or if I say things that are too harsh. When I'm just annoyed, I get frustrated that I'm not speaking my mind but when that happens, I usually just read some blogs from people who have the same beliefs as me and end up getting comforted by that. I do feel a lot more stable though since I feel like I'm spending time on things that are more useful. Arguing really doesn't fix anything.

That sounds pretty terrible actually. I can identify with that to a certain extent. I get really sad about others being unnecessarily mean to others.

Much less chance for ENTP, but the working style is similar. They tend to be more detached, but I've noticed female ENTPs often get more of a rap for being "feelers" than the men do, because they tend to enter more situations where someone is being treated unfairly or dominated by powermongers, and they don't like it and speak bluntly. They can "sound" kind of "feeler-ish" in how they engage, but if you look at their core process, it's pretty rational despite any loud exterior.

I'm really blunt and direct too regarding what I don't like but I'm not sure. I guess I could see ENTP with good Fe.

 

[ILYGodney]

Hello?

 

[Montresor]

OK so going back to the OP you mention that you alternate between periods of shyness and then hyperactivity and rambunctiousness.

Next, you are a socially oblivious loud mouth who offends people and then recoil into a recluse.

Pushy and aggressive with people if you disagree with their moral content.

Straightforward and blunt, but also enjoy complimenting when deserved.

Strong dislike of unspoken social obligations.

Don't like seeing others being shamed but thoroughly enjoys shaming others in a thoughtless and hypocritical way.

Strong feeelings about injustice. That's really your main thing. Mine is fairness.

Get where I'm going here?

I think you are ISFP.

 

[ILYGodney]

OK so going back to the OP you mention that you alternate between periods of shyness and then hyperactivity and rambunctiousness.

Next, you are a socially oblivious loud mouth who offends people and then recoil into a recluse.

Pushy and aggressive with people if you disagree with their moral content.

Straightforward and blunt, but also enjoy complimenting when deserved.

Strong dislike of unspoken social obligations.

Don't like seeing others being shamed but thoroughly enjoys shaming others in a thoughtless and hypocritical way.

Strong feeelings about injustice. That's really your main thing. Mine is fairness.

Get where I'm going here?

I think you are ISFP.

I dislike it when others are socially shamed but I'm fine with shaming if it isn't too bad. I don't use social status to shame others. I use my words and my sense of morality.

Yeah, this seems accurate for the most part. My hatred of injustice is what defines me.

Where's the Se/Ni?

 

[TimeAsylums]

I dislike it when others are socially shamed but I'm fine with shaming if it isn't too bad. I don't use social status to shame others. I use my words and my sense of morality.

Yeah, this seems accurate for the most part. My hatred of injustice is what defines me.

Word for word quote taken from my ISFP ex-girlfriend.
ISFP deemed likely.

 

[nightstreaking]

Sounds very much like Fi being channeled through inferior extraverted thinking to me.

+1 for INFP! (Or ENFP. :P)

I can see your Ne.

Edit: Also, the thread title is kind of telling. "True self." Hmm...

 

[ILYGodney]

Word for word quote taken from my ISFP ex-girlfriend.
ISFP deemed likely.

That's both interesting and odd.

+1 for INFP! (Or ENFP. :P)

I can see your Ne.

Edit: Also, the thread title is kind of telling. "True self." Hmm...

Where's my Ne? Lol yeah, I think I'm definitely some kind of FP.

 

[Montresor]

To me, it is obvious now.

You ask where is the Se? Can't you See it?

1. Rambunctiousness
2. Responding to the moment (i.e. "when I see this, I feel this")
3. Chocolate avatar?
4. Loud mouth


So, are you hell-bent on being typed as an N?

Let me ask you more questions:


How is your personal hygiene? If it is exceptionally good, you are more likely ISFP than any other type.

Are you physically attractive? At least an 8/10? If yes, you are more likely ISFP ... ... ...

Are you creative? Do you like to manipulate things in your world to look nice, but also have function and meaning? If yes ... ... ...

Can you plainly see when something is going wrong but other people can't?

Do you enjoy "wordplay" that focuses more on rhythm and fluidity (like poetry or music - as in Dylan or Floyd), or the type of 'wordplay' that makes random connections between words and letters that aren't obvious on the surface??

Do you like the song "the Times, they are-a changin'?"

 

[ILYGodney]

To me, it is obvious now.

You ask where is the Se? Can't you See it?

1. Rambunctiousness
2. Responding to the moment (i.e. "when I see this, I feel this")
3. Chocolate avatar?
4. Loud mouth


So, are you hell-bent on being typed as an N?

Let me ask you more questions:


How is your personal hygiene? If it is exceptionally good, you are more likely ISFP than any other type.

Are you physically attractive? At least an 8/10? If yes, you are more likely ISFP ... ... ...

Are you creative? Do you like to manipulate things in your world to look nice, but also have function and meaning? If yes ... ... ...

Can you plainly see when something is going wrong but other people can't?

Do you enjoy "wordplay" that focuses more on rhythm and fluidity (like poetry or music - as in Dylan or Floyd), or the type of 'wordplay' that makes random connections between words and letters that aren't obvious on the surface??

Do you like the song "the Times, they are-a changin'?"

Wow yeah I can see it.

I'm okay with Ns but I really just want to figure out my type.

My hygiene's okay. Sometimes I don't brush my teeth or shower for a week because I spent most of the time sleeping or watching TV shows but I always wash my face.

I dislike rating other people's looks because it feels slightly dehumanizing to me but I'd say I'm rather average-looking.

Definitely, I always have, and always will.

Sometimes I'm super oblivious, sometimes I'm really observant and notice everything.

Yeah, I think that sort of stuff is underrated. I don't give a shit about the meaning of a song as much as I care about it's flow.

It's okay IMO.

 

[ILYGodney]

Could anyone here see ESFP for me?

 

[Montresor]

Could anyone here see ESFP for me?

Aha! Congratulations on finally discovering your true self.

Why you COULD be ESFP:

1. Bumping the thread over and over without providing new information.

Generally, one might think: "now why would she do that? She hasn't enriched the thread at all; she's just replying to others' posts then bumping the thread some more."

"she must just want attention" ... why does she think she should get it?

oh, because she's ESFP

2. "Pushy and aggressive when you don't agree"

One ESFP I knew would actually harass strangers over smoking pot because he personally was "anti-pot"... and this was not playful harassment. This was genuine, angry, obtrusive abuse, with physical threats. The whole 9 yards.

I find ESFP have a tendency to disregard the basic rights and wishes of others, constantly putting them secondary to their own wants and feelings. I have found in my personal experience that if an ESFP is not afforded the attention they crave they become genuinely angry and extremely moody. Though it is a manifestation of Fi, it is undeveloped and immature, from MY viewpoint. They can make animalistic vocal sounds (loud sighs and grunts/growls) and generally try to spray their ESFP all over the local environment. (which brings me to my next point)

3. Lacking control over Fi emotionality (outbursts of a textual nature on a forum are inherently different than true emotional outbursts - which I ((for one)) am typically not prone to as much as an ESFP would be.)
n.b. regarding outbursts: there is still a small, deep part of me that thinks my outbursts are an expression of inferior Fe.

When an ESFP is angered, they really feel the anger. They feel it, but it is subservient to the dominant Se. So they show it outwardly (a lot). We're not talking about Fe outbursts which are a little more "strange"... but also commonplace in comparison. The ESFP outburst involves everybody around them ... they do not care that they make spectacles of themselves in the same way that an introverted type would. There is no need to return to a calm, neutral state.

More than anybody else, they really seem to WANT to add fuel to the fire. This fuel comes purely in the form of sensory information. What they see, what they smell,.. they feel, and it gets expressed outwardly with very high intensity.

4. Failing to do your own adequate levels of research on the subject, opting instead for the more traditional ESFP route of "everybody pay attention to me".

No really, PAY ATTENTION TO ME!


LOOK AT ME!!


^ - typical ESFP approach to life. For some reason, they really think they are more important/deserving of attention than anybody else.

You HAVE to pay attention to them or they GET ANGRY.




The good news:

ESFP can also be caring and sensitive toward others. They can be very good friends and apparently are "a lot of fun".

The majority of people tend to like them? I think? It's hard to tell because they are oppressive and disrespectful to almost everybody.

...as long as the dominance hierarchy is understood. They are more like dogs than any other type.

 

[ILYGodney]

Aha! Congratulations on finally discovering your true self.

Why you COULD be ESFP:

1. Bumping the thread over and over without providing new information.

Generally, one might think: "now why would she do that? She hasn't enriched the thread at all; she's just replying to others' posts then bumping the thread some more."

"she must just want attention" ... why does she think she should get it?

oh, because she's ESFP

2. "Pushy and aggressive when you don't agree"

One ESFP I knew would actually harass strangers over smoking pot because he personally was "anti-pot"... and this was not playful harassment. This was genuine, angry, obtrusive abuse, with physical threats. The whole 9 yards.

I find ESFP have a tendency to disregard the basic rights and wishes of others, constantly putting them secondary to their own wants and feelings. I have found in my personal experience that if an ESFP is not afforded the attention they crave they become genuinely angry and extremely moody. Though it is a manifestation of Fi, it is undeveloped and immature, from MY viewpoint. They can make animalistic vocal sounds (loud sighs and grunts/growls) and generally try to spray their ESFP all over the local environment. (which brings me to my next point)

3. Lacking control over Fi emotionality (outbursts of a textual nature on a forum are inherently different than true emotional outbursts - which I ((for one)) am typically not prone to as much as an ESFP would be.)
n.b. regarding outbursts: there is still a small, deep part of me that thinks my outbursts are an expression of inferior Fe.

When an ESFP is angered, they really feel the anger. They feel it, but it is subservient to the dominant Se. So they show it outwardly (a lot). We're not talking about Fe outbursts which are a little more "strange"... but also commonplace in comparison. The ESFP outburst involves everybody around them ... they do not care that they make spectacles of themselves in the same way that an introverted type would. There is no need to return to a calm, neutral state.

More than anybody else, they really seem to WANT to add fuel to the fire. This fuel comes purely in the form of sensory information. What they see, what they smell,.. they feel, and it gets expressed outwardly with very high intensity.

4. Failing to do your own adequate levels of research on the subject, opting instead for the more traditional ESFP route of "everybody pay attention to me".

No really, PAY ATTENTION TO ME!


LOOK AT ME!!


^ - typical ESFP approach to life. For some reason, they really think they are more important/deserving of attention than anybody else.

You HAVE to pay attention to them or they GET ANGRY.




The good news:

ESFP can also be caring and sensitive toward others. They can be very good friends and apparently are "a lot of fun".

The majority of people tend to like them? I think? It's hard to tell because they are oppressive and disrespectful to almost everybody.

...as long as the dominance hierarchy is understood. They are more like dogs than any other type.

Not going to lie, I love attention. But I'm still curious as to what my type is. I created two videos for another website so maybe they'll help.


I was actually a lot like that when I was unhealthy. I would get moody and emo if my friends didn't give me attention because I felt like they didn't care about how I was doing. Also, I'm rather oblivious to other people's feelings so I could accidentally be dismissive of other people's wants. I dislike it when people dismiss my feelings though so I don't do the same to others.

Yeah I was also like that when I was unhealthy and I still am like that now to a certain extent. I can be temperamental when pissed off.

You don't seem to like ESFPs much.

 

[Cherry Cola]

One thing I've been thinking about which might be useful in typing is having the person gettin typed make a video about him/hers personal interests. Music/litterature/partying w/e it might be; explaining the why and whats of an interest or interests oughta be a decent way of getting the typers into the mental framework of the person being typed.

If you cba feel free to upload such a video.

 

[ILYGodney]

One thing I've been thinking about which might be useful in typing is having the person gettin typed make a video about him/hers personal interests. Music/litterature/partying w/e it might be; explaining the why and whats of an interest or interests oughta be a decent way of getting the typers into the mental framework of the person being typed.

If you cba feel free to upload such a video.

I'm going to try to do that soon but I don't have the time for it this week.

 

[ILYGodney]

Pretty sure I'm an ESFP now but I don't care about MBTI anymore. It got boring.