Final Show Down : INTP vs. ISTP (I hope)

[pjoa09]

I got to finally notice myself in thought.

This is a repost of an ISTP and INTP thread.

Ok, I was thinking out in the living room for sometime and I caught myself in an argument over the movie Wall Street II. They quoted Einstein on in the context of doing something repetitively and expecting a different result is insane.

Don't INTP me yet.

Ok, while thinking about this fairly obvious and famous quote I approached the idea of salary. I thought hey wait they are doing the same thing over and over again to get money that they intend on saving.

Therefore, they are doing repetitively to expect a different result (as in they will get a car by saving money) and that seems to fit Einstein's definition of insane.

Then I reversed and considered the whole saving money plot as one big attempt to get that car.

Then it made sense.


Now the reason why I have come back to this rather old and somewhat concluded thread is because I observed Socionics descriptions.

Now, most of you regard Socionics the same as Horoscope but I tend to hang around their descriptions often despite their confusing classification.

I noticed that I fit the descriptions of ILI and SLI to certain degrees on wikisocion.

ISTP / ILI Characteristics
I have noticed that I also need to feel comfortable and can't be pushed to do something quickly without a reason. I can also burst into fury if not given enough of time to leave and vent. I also never buy anything for myself that isn't black and matte or could not be made black and matte. I have only one pair of jeans and use only one pair of shoes but they are expensive and have held up for 2 years easily. If I am with my trustworthy friends I am comfortable sharing whatever emotions I can sense but I have to think out loud to judge what are the motives of my feelings. I am fairly competent behind the wheel as well and have never had a real accident (I hit a flower pot once and scratched the car knowingly). I sometimes fix little things easily/intuitively? and get praised for it. I tend to participate in activities for the sake of it and eventually desire to gain competence.

INTP / ILI Characteristics
I tend to daydream frequently when bored and was notoriously noted in school for daydreaming. I always notice grammatical mistakes (not so much for spelling) and I am sarcastic amongst my family members. I always see a bleak future where life will turn into a miserable trudge and business will plunge into darkness and I won't be able to enjoy doing the things I used to do or do the things I want to do due to family obligations. I frequently call out past experiences or movies that I have watched in the past and observe how the message is conveyed through their music, events, and the entire movie as a whole. I try to imagine I am living in a mansion to let myself sleep (also I use imagination while masturbation but that maybe different). I tend to screw up easily when doing something mundane.


Is it possible to go from S to N or N to S at the age of 19?

The most detailed I have ever gone. I am an IXTP and want to solve for X.

 

[pjoa09]

I got to finally notice myself in thought.

This is a repost of an ISTP and INTP thread.

Ok, I was thinking out in the living room for sometime and I caught myself in an argument over the movie Wall Street II. They quoted Einstein on in the context of doing something repetitively and expecting a different result is insane.

Don't INTP me yet.

Ok, while thinking about this fairly obvious and famous quote I approached the idea of salary. I thought hey wait they are doing the same thing over and over again to get money that they intend on saving.

Therefore, they are doing repetitively to expect a different result (as in they will get a car by saving money) and that seems to fit Einstein's definition of insane.

Then I reversed and considered the whole saving money plot as one big attempt to get that car.

Then it made sense.


Now the reason why I have come back to this rather old and somewhat concluded thread is because I observed Socionics descriptions.

Now, most of you regard Socionics the same as Horoscope but I tend to hang around their descriptions often despite their confusing classification.

I noticed that I fit the descriptions of ILI and SLI to certain degrees on wikisocion.

ISTP / ILI Characteristics
I have noticed that I also need to feel comfortable and can't be pushed to do something quickly without a reason. I can also burst into fury if not given enough of time to leave and vent. I also never buy anything for myself that isn't black and matte or could not be made black and matte. I have only one pair of jeans and use only one pair of shoes but they are expensive and have held up for 2 years easily. If I am with my trustworthy friends I am comfortable sharing whatever emotions I can sense but I have to think out loud to judge what are the motives of my feelings. I am fairly competent behind the wheel as well and have never had a real accident (I hit a flower pot once and scratched the car knowingly). I sometimes fix little things easily/intuitively? and get praised for it. I tend to participate in activities for the sake of it and eventually desire to gain competence.

INTP / ILI Characteristics
I tend to daydream frequently when bored and was notoriously noted in school for daydreaming. I always notice grammatical mistakes (not so much for spelling) and I am sarcastic amongst my family members. I always see a bleak future where life will turn into a miserable trudge and business will plunge into darkness and I won't be able to enjoy doing the things I used to do or do the things I want to do due to family obligations. I frequently call out past experiences or movies that I have watched in the past and observe how the message is conveyed through their music, events, and the entire movie as a whole. I try to imagine I am living in a mansion to let myself sleep (also I use imagination while masturbation but that maybe different). I tend to screw up easily when doing something mundane.


Is it possible to go from S to N or N to S at the age of 19?

The most detailed I have ever gone. I am an IXTP and want to solve for X.

Ok I got it INTP.

I don't seem to be aware at all of my surroundings most of the time.INTP it is.

 

[marcguasch]

I'm in exactly the same position that you're in.

 

[Words]

If you're in this forum, there's a very high chance that you are an N. This does not necessarily mean INTP of course.

 

[Jake]

A person saving money isn't doing the same thing over and over, because each time they put money in their account, they are putting money into an account that has more money than before, thus performing a different action, and also getting a different result. An example of someone repeating an action and expecting different results is someone who repeatedly solves for a variable in the same equation and expects a different value each time.

 

[Architect]

Typically INTP's mistype themselves as INTJ's (they are fooled by their inner judging function) or INFJ's (inferior grip). I fell into both of those traps. Sensors most often mistype themselves as intuitives due to cultural/MBTI intuitive bias and inferior attraction. Therefore in addition to other observations of you I believe you are an ISTP, as typically only an ISTP would mistype themselves as an INTP (it's a common pattern we see on these boards).

 

[Turniphead]

Typically INTP's mistype themselves as INTJ's (they are fooled by their inner judging function) or INFJ's (inferior grip). I fell into both of those traps. Sensors most often mistype themselves as intuitives due to cultural/MBTI intuitive bias and inferior attraction. Therefore in addition to other observations of you I believe you are an ISTP, as typically only an ISTP would mistype themselves as an INTP (it's a common pattern we see on these boards).

Hmm, I wonder... Based on what you are saying here, I would lean towards myself being an ISTP. I've tested borderline S, and never thought i was INTJ.

However, my interactions with Ne dominants would seem to suggest that when I interact with them, it's almost purely done through intuition. Can Ni feel like Ne when with the right people?

My interactions with ISTPs(assumed) is also odd. I can usually relate on a physical activity level only. When I talk with them about pretty much anything they just think I'm weird. I've been called a "wizard". No idea why.

Actually most people that aren't N types seem to think I'm pretty strange... maybe my social anxiety is the cause of that. I just don't know(*mumbles off into the corner*).

 

[TPW78]

The definition of insanity is being out of touch with reality, and repeating failure is merely a small part of that. Not to say, however, that two perfectly sane and rational people cannot come to different conclusions.

I don't think that you can label yourself or even a lot of people as *either* INTP *or* ISTP, perhaps you are a fusion of both, with fused or dual tendencies.

I would consider myself a INTP/ISTP with a major foundation of INTP idealist.
Or to use the other typology system, I'm melancholy in mind and soul, Phlegmatic in a lot of my outside habits, and sanguine in heart - deep in my center under the rest of it.

These aspects all mingle and compete.


If you are partly ISTP, as I am, then why worry about what you are instead of simply listing it all, taking a mental note to self "Ok, this is all part of what I am," and then move on with carrying on you life? basically act pragmatic and practical about it. Typology was made for mankind, not mankind for typology. it is a tool, not something we need to let control us. Why does it even matter what I am? only in that it helps me to explain myself to others and not fel bad about being what I am, *if* i get around to even worrying about it. So don't worry about it! just keep going!

God made everyone to be a certain type or mix of types, and only Jesus can fix our inherent weaknesses as a certain type and help us capitalize on our inherent strengths from that as well.

And yeah, life can get very flustering. I wish I could have enough time for everything, just write down or remember what you want to do, then focus on what you have to do, and wait for an opportunity to do what really you want to do.

I like the elephant smiley, so I will post it. Keep on going and don't worry about it, just like this elephant!