Fight club

[juansk]

Did you like the movie? Why? Why not?
I got the feeling that it could have been better told but its still a gem, brutally honest and straightforward, often not appreciated/underrated by "F" people (feelers), unlike us.

Am i wrong?
Id like to share some opinions

 

[redbaron]

You do not talk about fight club.

 

[Jennywocky]

Your typical presumptions about T and F are lovably laughable.

 

[BigApplePi]

You do not talk about fight club.

I agree with redbaron. If you care to dispute this, I will see you at the club.

 

[juansk]

Your typical presumptions about T and F are lovably laughable.

In general terms, it seems to work that way. For example, id say that "F" people dont like people like Steve Jobs or Tyler Durden. They're too detached and straightforward for their feelings.

 

[Turniphead]

I don't like Steve Jobs. Am I a feeler now?

 

[Jennywocky]

In general terms, it seems to work that way. For example, id say that "F" people dont like people like Steve Jobs or Tyler Durden. They're too detached and straightforward for their feelings.

I haven't experienced that at all with Fight Club. There is a far larger distinction between male and female -- it's essentially a male movie, directed at male experience (the feeling that culture is stealing men's masculinity / sedating the male), so I see many more males ... both Thinkers and Feelers... identifying with that theme.

I have no idea why you think male Feelers don't identify with that. In fact, I think male Feelers seem to more identify, because feelings of not being masculine enough are already something they deal with and so the movie feels very relevant. Some of the males in the movie are Feelers. (Bob's the most blatant.)

I don't like Steve Jobs. Am I a feeler now?

Yes.

(you are also a turniphead)

 

[Turniphead]

I like your analysis, Jenny of the Wockies.

I feel like that is the source of my mixed feelings around the movie. I've always felt on the edge(often falling off) of the current culture of masculinity, so while the movie was definitely interesting, I could never quite "identify" with it. I have zero desire for conflict...

(look at all the feelies I have)

 

[juansk]

I haven't experienced that at all with Fight Club. There is a far larger distinction between male and female -- it's essentially a male movie, directed at male experience (the feeling that culture is stealing men's masculinity / sedating the male), so I see many more males ... both Thinkers and Feelers... identifying with that theme.

I have no idea why you think male Feelers don't identify with that. In fact, I think male Feelers seem to more identify, because feelings of not being masculine enough are already something they deal with and so the movie feels very relevant. Some of the males in the movie are Feelers. (Bob's the most blatant.)



Yes.

(you are also a turniphead)

Havent thought about it that way. Im a thinker and i feel identified, but not regarding the alpha/non alpha dog thing, but in the way the character tries to go deeper, thinking the system through (or at least trying to) and the way he realizes that the real thing is somewhere else, not in his comfort or furniture.
And then i liked the part where people started following him, and even preaching in his own name (like the genesis of some kind of movement around it, people who got lost along the way and needed something to believe in). I guess the writer/director tried to make some kind of parallelism with religion there, specially on how people become fanatic and misunderstand the real and pure core of the thing. They just dont get it, and even start to create an spiritual sinergy around it (right after the fat guy dies, they try to find a meaning to the use of the actual names) They start repeating it, and the main character scratches his head cause they dont get it at all. Just like Kurt Cobain wrote in "In bloom".

Do you know what i mean?

 

[Absurdity]

I haven't experienced that at all with Fight Club. There is a far larger distinction between male and female -- it's essentially a male movie, directed at male experience (the feeling that culture is stealing men's masculinity / sedating the male), so I see many more males ... both Thinkers and Feelers... identifying with that theme.

I have no idea why you think male Feelers don't identify with that. In fact, I think male Feelers seem to more identify, because feelings of not being masculine enough are already something they deal with and so the movie feels very relevant. Some of the males in the movie are Feelers. (Bob's the most blatant.)

Agreed.

If anything the film would appeal to thinkers like INTPs because they are inferior feelers: it plays on their unmet desire for validation as men.

And I guess it is straightforward in that it is not a particularly complicated storyline, but it is still a story. Therefore, it works be getting the viewer to empathize with and/or identify with the characters. Look, feelings!

 

[redbaron]

Stop talking about fight club or you're all getting banned.

 

[Lot]

I think fight club is an over rated movie. I loved it when I was a teenager. The philosophy is pretty surface level. The fight scenes are pretty enjoyable. It's really a mediocre movie.

That being said, I'll still watch it. I don't hate it, but I recognize it's not a master piece of story telling, or cinema. Even then, I still watch mindless action movies and think they are the greatest.

I think I might have a hard time getting into the movies anymore, is because of all the hype it gets. People just blow their load over it. People think it's so deep, like the Matrix. No it's not. It's deep for the teenage mind maybe. I used to think Gundam Wing politically thoughtful. Then I watched it as an adult. Perhaps I'm just an old stick in the mud hipster.

 

[BigApplePi]

I'm going to have to see this film again to check out what you two guys have said. I must have overlooked it as what I personally have lost is not my masculinity, but my soul.

Do you know what I'm talking about cuz I sure don't? Yet it feels right.

 

[Jennywocky]

Stop talking about fight club or you're all getting banned.

I'd knock you down for that, but I'm not allowed in the boy's club.

Go buy a table from Ikea or something.

 

[Hadoblado]

I liked it. I'd even recommend it.

I liked the characters.

 

[BigApplePi]

Stop talking about fight club or you're all getting banned.

Why are you talking about ... talking about what?

Can those who are banned talk about it?

 

[Anktark]

I like it, thought I never saw the 'men loosing their masculinity' point. Interesting perspective.

 

[Duxwing]

I hated it because its philosophy comprised an insomniatic schizophrenic wuss's whining. It can be watched as a comedy of how bad a disillusioned and disaffected INFJ can become.

-Duxwing

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

I hated it because its philosophy comprised an insomniatic schizophrenic wuss's whining. It can be watched as a comedy of how bad a disillusioned and disaffected INFJ can become.

-Duxwing

Duxwing, are you sure you're INTP ? You seem more NF.

 

[Duxwing]

Duxwing, are you sure you're INTP ? You seem more NF.

I am sure that I am INTP. I emotionally reacted to the movie because the main character's hallucinating Tyler Durden and thus his philosophy and committing many fallacies were hideously illogical.

-Duxwing

 

[Affinity]

I'm going to have to see this film again to check out what you two guys have said. I must have overlooked it as what I personally have lost is not my masculinity, but my soul.

Do you recall the part where Tyler durden was talking about how this generation of men were being raised mostly by their mothers and thus the pussification of men? And do you recall the scene where they were to pick a fight with someone and how the people they fucked with went great lengths to avoid conflict?

 

[QuickTwist]

I did an assignment in high school comparing the book to the movie.

I would prefer Inception over Fight Club any day though.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

I am sure that I am INTP. I emotionally reacted to the movie because the main character's hallucinating Tyler Durden and thus his philosophy and committing many fallacies were hideously illogical.

-Duxwing

It's not illogical, not entirely. The film is about ordinary man, who is't happy of his life. Then he meet person, who help him feel alive. Because it wasn't a person, but only schizofrenic illusion, film tells us, we don't need anyone to change our lives. We need only ourselves. For me personally, this film gave motivation to live in another ways, be more brave, self-confident, don't waste time on others lives, but focus on mine, do, what I really do. After this film, I want prove, I'm alive. And becuse a lot of other things, this film is the best of all for me. And.. I really can't understand why someone HATE this film. Did this film hurt your feelings? You can't say it's illogical, if you watch it with intuition. Like many things in mathematic and physics seem illogical for the first look, but after we understood, it's logical.

 

[Duxwing]

It's not illogical, not entirely.

I said not that it was entirely illogical, only that it was highly illogical.

The film is about ordinary man, who is't happy of his life.

Insomnia is literally driving him insane.

Then he meet person, who help him feel alive. Because it wasn't a person, but only schizofrenic illusion,

And why should we bother considering hallucinations' opinions?

film tells us, we don't need anyone to change our lives. We need only ourselves.

You seemingly missed the entire remainder of the movie, wherein the protagonist unwittingly follows Durden's beliefs unto their conclusion: leading a murderous terrorist group and stopping only upon discovering that he hallucinated Durden.

For me personally, this film gave motivation to live in another ways, be more brave, self-confident, don't waste time on others lives, but focus on mine, do, what I really do. After this film, I want prove, I'm alive. And becuse a lot of other things, this film is the best of all for me.

Would you please explain your subjective reaction? I understand it not.

And.. I really can't understand why someone HATE this film. Did this film hurt your feelings?

The film sickened me without hurting my feelings and annoyed me with its narcissistic scream of half-baked Hollywood-leftie politics, which seemingly permeate any political movie that I have seen: corporations almost always are big and bad, and everyone is mindless drones to them, and we need to break out and become invididuals before they destroy us, etc.

Worse still I was forced to watch it while my English teacher indoctrinated us into her Marxist-conspiratorial delusions. I hate her and that movie.

You can't say it's illogical, if you watch it with intuition. Like many things in mathematic and physics seem illogical for the first look, but after we understood, it's logical.

I noticed its illogic because I watched it with intuition, noticing metaphor and analyzing psychology.

-Duxwing

PS Is English not your first language? I mean not to offend but to understand.

 

[Cherry Cola]

The film is an overrated piece of shit.

Who cares if it makes sense, you cares about all the hints the film throws at you which only makes sense in retrospect too, those aren't cool those are lame. But anyway who cares if it makes sense? Apparently not a lot of people because it doesn't and they still dig it like crazy. I don't care if it makes sense either it just fucking sucks. The scene where he beats himself in an office is nice but the rest can suck my dick. Yet fans like to proclaim that its deep and intelligent. It fucking isn't, it's fucking stupid as hell. Blow up a bunch of buildings like that in the end? Yeah tha fuck right: enjoy spending the rest of your life in Guantanamo bay with ducktape on your eyelids and flashing white lights and wet towels over your mouth bitch. Also multiple personality disorder is either a form of schizophrenia or fake, the way its portrayed in the film is good for suspense but ultimately it shows thats is a shallow thriller-flick not some goddamn genius crapshit. Like fuck is that faggot schizo, yet he so fucking stupid he cant figure the shit out himself until near the end despite being able to function somewhat as a human being too. Geezus crank, chug some fucking pills till you drop idiot, fucking whiny ass insomniac.

So yeah the film fucking sucks and all, but it can still be a decent watch first time around, nevertheless the typical fans of the movie need to cut their heads off and go bury them deep cause they are obviously desperate enough for deep to even pretend that fight club is deep.

 

[Duxwing]

The film is an overrated piece of shit.

Who cares if it makes sense, you cares about all the hints the film throws at you which only makes sense in retrospect too, those aren't cool those are lame. But anyway who cares if it makes sense? Apparently not a lot of people because it doesn't and they still dig it like crazy. I don't care if it makes sense either it just fucking sucks. The scene where he beats himself in an office is nice but the rest can suck my dick. Yet fans like to proclaim that its deep and intelligent. It fucking isn't, it's fucking stupid as hell. Blow up a bunch of buildings like that in the end? Yeah tha fuck right: enjoy spending the rest of your life in Guantanamo bay with ducktape on your eyelids and flashing white lights and wet towels over your mouth bitch. Also multiple personality disorder is either a form of schizophrenia or fake, the way its portrayed in the film is good for suspense but ultimately it shows thats is a shallow thriller-flick not some goddamn genius crapshit. Like fuck is that faggot schizo, yet he so fucking stupid he cant figure the shit out himself until near the end despite being able to function somewhat as a human being too. Geezus crank, chug some fucking pills till you drop idiot, fucking whiny ass insomniac.

So yeah the film fucking sucks and all, but it can still be a decent watch first time around, nevertheless the typical fans of the movie need to cut their heads off and go bury them deep cause they are obviously desperate enough for deep to even pretend that fight club is deep.

*hugs*

-Duxwing

 

[kaelum]

Throwing in a positive opinion of the movie: It's possible to take the story as an allegory: Durden as Freud's id concept and Marla as Thanatos. Gotta go back to work, but I'll post a more in depth part II to this post.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

PS Is English not your first language? I mean not to offend but to understand.

Conversation with native english speakers is horror. I can talk with somebody not native, and it's good, but when native speaks, I understand few words. Also, this language isn't logical in gramatic. Polish, german, russian are clearer. Hope you now understand.

About the film, I don't care who made it, what grades it has, and even how logicaly it is. I like strange films, because they inspire me. I can imagine or create missing logical gaps, make own interpretation of the film, and improve my life.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

The film is an overrated piece of shit.

Who cares if it makes sense, you cares about all the hints the film throws at you which only makes sense in retrospect too, those aren't cool those are lame. But anyway who cares if it makes sense? Apparently not a lot of people because it doesn't and they still dig it like crazy. I don't care if it makes sense either it just fucking sucks. The scene where he beats himself in an office is nice but the rest can suck my dick. Yet fans like to proclaim that its deep and intelligent. It fucking isn't, it's fucking stupid as hell. Blow up a bunch of buildings like that in the end? Yeah tha fuck right: enjoy spending the rest of your life in Guantanamo bay with ducktape on your eyelids and flashing white lights and wet towels over your mouth bitch. Also multiple personality disorder is either a form of schizophrenia or fake, the way its portrayed in the film is good for suspense but ultimately it shows thats is a shallow thriller-flick not some goddamn genius crapshit. Like fuck is that faggot schizo, yet he so fucking stupid he cant figure the shit out himself until near the end despite being able to function somewhat as a human being too. Geezus crank, chug some fucking pills till you drop idiot, fucking whiny ass insomniac.

So yeah the film fucking sucks and all, but it can still be a decent watch first time around, nevertheless the typical fans of the movie need to cut their heads off and go bury them deep cause they are obviously desperate enough for deep to even pretend that fight club is deep.

Go watch some films about Jesus life.

 

[QuickTwist]

Go watch some films about Jesus life.

LOL... that is hilarious!

 

[Duxwing]

Conversation with native english speakers is horror. I can talk with somebody not native, and it's good, but when native speaks, I understand few words. Also, this language isn't logical in gramatic. Polish, german, russian are clearer. Hope you now understand.

Czy jestesz polakjem? Moja matka mnie naluczyla polskiego. Nie zgadzam sie s toba o grammatytki bo angielski ma tylko jeden rodzaj rzeczownika i potrzebuje tylko jedne "nie" zeby wypisacz negativne zdanie; n.p, "I see no light" zamiast "I see not no light".

About the film, I don't care who made it, what grades it has, and even how logicaly it is. I like strange films, because they inspire me. I can imagine or create missing logical gaps, make own interpretation of the film, and improve my life.

Moze ty jestesz INXJ.

-Duxwing

 

[QuickTwist]

He identifies himself as INTJ.

 

[Puffy]

I remember enjoying the first half but being disappointed by the "twist" ending; the experience immediately sank for me at that point, it was pretty lame (if I recall the film literally ends with the image of a limp dick...)

Funny someone brought up Inception, I'd place it in a similar category of not so much being an "intellectual or deep" film but the spectacle of one (The Matrix, Dark Knight, etc etc). This may be an unfair assessment, but I've often found that people who praise this as among the best films generally haven't explored much film history. It is a decent film, but in the grand scheme of things it is overrated. Personally preferred Se7en by the same director.

 

[redbaron]

^Agreed.

This and other movies you mentioned are to me, better than the average hollywood movie and they make an attempt to be somehat original in their approach. Though I have to agree they tend to be overrated by the majority whose experience of movies is essentially just the mainstream.

For what it's worth, I managed to actually sit through and not get bored of those movies, which is rare for me.

 

[QuickTwist]

Apparently my point was noted... some how, some way. God I wish that would happen more often.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

I don't know if I'm INTP or INTJ. Both description fits me with 90% accuracy, but tests tells I'm INTP, my life isn't structured, it's more chaotic, I'm also procrastinated. Now I don't think about it, because I'm too individual to be limited by not finited theory.

English for me isn't logical, because when I translate every word, by word, I can't understand whole. But maybe because this language is just difficult, don't know yet.
Polish is more flexible language, you Duxwing make milions mistakes, but I can understand everything without any problem. But when I make mistakes in english, people sometimes don't understand me (but I'm sure I speak with logic).

Fight club is the film, what began my life. I stoped masturbating, found person from opposit sex, say what I think instead of what I suppose to say, fuck the school and learn what I'm interested of. This film is about it. Do your dreams. Can you remeber the scene, when Durden supposly wanted to kill shopkeeper, and told him to continue his collegue (he dreamed about being vet)? Do what you want to do, instead of doing what you've been told...

 

[Jennywocky]

Can you remeber the scene, when Durden supposly wanted to kill shopkeeper, and told him to continue his collegue (he dreamed about being vet)? Do what you want to do, instead of doing what you've been told...

Probably one of the better scenes in the movie, in terms of meaningfulness.

We let so much shit that seems important or necessary at the time to distract us from life, until one day... well, Life is over and you've got nothing to show for it.

 

[doublevisionsfc]

Fight club is probably my favorite movie of all time, if not its at least top 5.

 

[Pyropyro]

I remembered thinking about this while watching the film. Hey, can you really make soap out of human fat? I mean it's chemically feasible but there are ethical and biosafety things to consider.

 

[Imaginary Numb3r]

Fight club is a great movie with much symbolism and great artistic style. However, I found the conclusion to be somewhat obvious and to be honest, no it isn't the best movie (of it's genre).

Nevertheless, the movie has qualities which sets itself apart from the majority and I can recommend watching it.