Fe or Fi people

[Ex-User (8886)]

What do you value more in others, Fe or Fi?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

What is Fe and Fi and how is it expressed?

Is there a significant functional difference affecting one's compatibility between Fe+Ni and Fe+Si types, or Fi+Se and Fi+Ne types?

 

[redbaron]

I don't value F anything.

Jokes aside, it doesn't seem to matter all that much. I value certain people, not their functions. There's idiot INTP's and intelligent ESFJ's.

 

[Puffy]

I don't value F anything.

Spoiler

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

What is Fe and Fi and how is it expressed?

Is there a significant functional difference affecting one's compatibility between Fe+Ni and Fe+Si types, or Fi+Se and Fi+Ne types?

Just vote with your intuition.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Just vote with your intuition.

I feel like making a decision with little information would result in "garbage in, garbage out". This is a good opportunity to shine a light on Fi/Fe types and clear up discrepancies.

 

[Jennywocky]

I tend to get along better with the Fe people, but I do value people who have a good sense of their internal values and and are willing to buck the current to create change.

 

[Architect]

I think Fi is the least trust worthy of the functions. Fi dominants get their feeling hurt too easily and are often grudge holders (Fe dominants also suffer from this to a lesser degree)*. I strongly believe that if I've hurt your feelings, it was unintentional or just due to my own inadequacies in human relations, but you have to give me a chance to make it up. Fi's take their cookies and go home usually, not giving you the chance to fix things.

Si dominants are probably the next worse in my book. They morose about the past too much, pathetically in my view. Note these are pathological examples, not all Fi/Si dominants suffer from this.

* I have some Fi dominant relatives who are like this. Normally really nice people, but if you unwittingly hurt their feelings they'll never forget it.

 

[Absurdity]

Fe's tendency toward self-sacrifice annoys me, but I agree about Fi untrustworthiness.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

I've got blindsided and walloped by Fi simmering but undetected anger...forever on their shitlist and no matter how I try to dispel no evil intension, I'll forever be suspect.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I think Fi is the least trust worthy of the functions. Fi dominants get their feeling hurt too easily and are often grudge holders (Fe dominants also suffer from this to a lesser degree)*. I strongly believe that if I've hurt your feelings, it was unintentional or just due to my own inadequacies in human relations, but you have to give me a chance to make it up. Fi's take their cookies and go home usually, not giving you the chance to fix things.

Do you think Fi types believe when it comes to people "what you see is what you get" and that people don't change? Seems like it would apply in your experience.

Have you noticed a difference between Fi/Se and Fi/Ne?

 

[The Gopher]

I think Fi is the least trust worthy of the functions. Fi dominants get their feeling hurt too easily and are often grudge holders (Fe dominants also suffer from this to a lesser degree)*. I strongly believe that if I've hurt your feelings, it was unintentional or just due to my own inadequacies in human relations, but you have to give me a chance to make it up. Fi's take their cookies and go home usually, not giving you the chance to fix things.

* I have some Fi dominant relatives who are like this. Normally really nice people, but if you unwittingly hurt their feelings they'll never forget it.

OH NO AS AN FI DOM I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME AND AM NOW PERSONALLY INSULTED! (although ESFP's are bad that way which you mentioned in 2012 you know three of...)

What is Fe and Fi and how is it expressed?

Fe tends to be more sympathetic they don't understand why you are sad but they can have sympathy. Fi is more empathetic where they understand exactly why you did everything but they might not care. (talking dominant functions only here Ti dom will understand on an intellectual level even though they are Fe and Fe can still empathize but in general it's weaker)

I would say ask me anything but I am probably A-typical when it comes to taking offense and keeping grudges.

 

[Base groove]

Fi people are more choosy about who and what they care about, and maintain a clear barrier between themselves and other people. Both of these are highly desirable traits in my opinion.

Fe people are choosy in a different way - I believe they are the ones who can be seen excluding outsiders from a group and exhibiting bias towards their own group. I believe this characteristic is basically absent in Fi folks.

All this being said, ESFP is the type I have found to be least compatible over the years. I don't even look at them nowadays (which is what they want).

 

[Pizzabeak]

All this being said, ESFP is the type I have found to be least compatible over the years. I don't even look at them nowadays (which is what they want).

LOL so true...? Had an (unhealthy?) esfp roommate not too long ago and he had this uncanny ability to know when someone was about to look at him, then he would make eye contact at the same exact time and nod his head, hoping to initiate a conversation. It seemed to become frustrating after a while, other ENFP roommate noticed it as well.

Sometimes I would feel bad for neglecting him so much and cave then ask him to play video games (which is clearly what he wanted, he would go so far as to ask me but I would say no) , which would always turn out to be more of a mistake than not. One redeeming quality is they (some s types in general) seem capable of being funny as hell sometimes, but the humor can get stale quick as they might tend to repeat the frame of references. Once they see there's a slight chance of you enjoying or appreciating something they try to abuse it, plus he had some fascination with the past and asking the same question 4 times a week which is why I couldn't figure out if he was some esfp or esfj.

 

[Jennywocky]

OH NO AS AN FI DOM I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME AND AM NOW PERSONALLY INSULTED! (although ESFP's are bad that way which you mentioned in 2012 you know three of...)

Awww. there, there... there, there. You do "butthurt" so well.

srsyly, yeah, my ESFP kid is much better nowadays at almost 18, but when he was 9-10, the drama was thick enough to choke an elephant. Any little thing would throw him into a tizzy with door slams, screaming, throwing things... all because someone might have said something innocently that he would decide was a (1) terrible insult and (2) aimed directly at him. And trying to challenge his perception was taken as trying to dismiss his feelings and perceptions and shut him up. It would all quickly accelerate into, "Why do you hate me so much? I'm going to kill myself and how will you feel then? You all suck!! I'm leaving home! I hope you all die!!!" Sometimes literally that, it didn't have to make any sense...

Fe tends to be more sympathetic they don't understand why you are sad but they can have sympathy. Fi is more empathetic where they understand exactly why you did everything but they might not care. (talking dominant functions only here Ti dom will understand on an intellectual level even though they are Fe and Fe can still empathize but in general it's weaker)

That seems pretty fair.

 

[Architect]

Do you think Fi types believe when it comes to people "what you see is what you get" and that people don't change? Seems like it would apply in your experience.

I notice that with S dominants in general for sure. They like to pigeonhole people then never change their opinion.

Have you noticed a difference between Fi/Se and Fi/Ne?

Yes, in what way?

OH NO AS AN FI DOM I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME AND AM NOW PERSONALLY INSULTED!

Oops-sie

Like I say it's pathological behavior, and all types suffer from their own variations. It's just that some of the variations are more ... intrusive or abusive on other people, than others.

 

[Cherry Cola]

It would make more sense for the thread title to say Fe/Ti Vs Fi/Te because you can't just have one side of a coin.

Since people pref introversion and thinking over extroversion Fe/Ti should take this on the boards or people are kidding themselves. Cuz who'd want to waste precious thinking on something extraverted?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I think Fi is the least trust worthy of the functions. Fi dominants get their feeling hurt too easily and are often grudge holders (Fe dominants also suffer from this to a lesser degree)*. I strongly believe that if I've hurt your feelings, it was unintentional or just due to my own inadequacies in human relations, but you have to give me a chance to make it up. Fi's take their cookies and go home usually, not giving you the chance to fix things.

* I have some Fi dominant relatives who are like this. Normally really nice people, but if you unwittingly hurt their feelings they'll never forget it.

Do you think Fi types believe when it comes to people "what you see is what you get" and that people don't change? Seems like it would apply in your experience.

I notice that with S dominants in general for sure. They like to pigeonhole people then never change their opinion.

To gain a better picture of what Fi is, how would you describe the contrast between the "stubbornness" of this S dominant trait and the Fi traits you described earlier?

Have you noticed a difference between Fi/Se and Fi/Ne?

Yes, in what way?

With respect to the Fi traits you described being differentiated across Ne and Se. Do you noticed any difference in Fi's expression between the types?

Fi people are more choosy about who and what they care about, and maintain a clear barrier between themselves and other people. Both of these are highly desirable traits in my opinion.

Fe people are choosy in a different way - I believe they are the ones who can be seen excluding outsiders from a group and exhibiting bias towards their own group. I believe this characteristic is basically absent in Fi folks.

Considering Fi is introverted and the trait of being "choosy about who and what they care about", might not an Fi dominant be excluding of outsiders too?

Fe tends to be more sympathetic they don't understand why you are sad but they can have sympathy. Fi is more empathetic where they understand exactly why you did everything but they might not care. (talking dominant functions only here Ti dom will understand on an intellectual level even though they are Fe and Fe can still empathize but in general it's weaker)

I would say ask me anything but I am probably A-typical when it comes to taking offense and keeping grudges.

How do you see Ne influencing your dominant Fi perspective. What do you think of Fi+Se types?

Do you think the quality of sympathy(Fe) or empathy(Fi) varies between the respective Fe and Fi types?

It would make more sense for the thread title to say Fe/Ti Vs Fi/Te because you can't just have one side of a coin.

Agreed. I think you've discussed it before, but do you think Thinking types have more of a negative or positive attitude towards their own dichotomous Feeling types, as opposed to the other Feeling types(e.g. Ti/Fe vs Ti/Fi) ?

 

[BigApplePi]

What do you value more in others, Fe or Fi?

So you are asking about Fe and Fi? I would value Fe first in the other person because I want to know how they are going to relate to me. After that it depends on what the Fe is. If they are nasty to me, why would I care about their Fi? If they are nasty to others, I might take an interest in helping them adjust*. If their Fe is such that I will get along with them, then I will be interested in their internal feelings certainly: Fi.

*Note the self-interest. Anything they learn about adjusting could help me in the same department.

 

[Architect]

To gain a better picture of what Fi is, how would you describe the contrast between the "stubbornness" of this S dominant trait and the Fi traits you described earlier? ...

I haven't noticed the fine-grained differences you are talking about. I'll think about it and keep an eye out.

 

[Base groove]

I haven't noticed the fine-grained differences you are talking about. I'll think about it and keep an eye out.

Fine-grained differences that make typology what it is. Fine-grained differences that differentiate between appropriate application of typological theories and gross/wanton misapplication, like the type practiced by ... 90% of the posters on this forum...

 

[pernoctator]

the type practiced by ... 90% of the posters on this forum...

What a gross/wanton misapplication.

 

[Base groove]

I meant to intentionally include myself in that category. It's not a product of deduction it's a product of intuition which is really just imaginary and quite susceptible to such misapplications.

However, it doesn't really invalidate the part you deleted, or if you believe it does, then explain why.

 

[Architect]

Fine-grained differences that make typology what it is. Fine-grained differences that differentiate between appropriate application of typological theories and gross/wanton misapplication, like the type practiced by ... 90% of the posters on this forum...

Maybe, there's degrees

1. At the lowest level is the preferences or dichotomies
2. The next level is the large types, NT, SJ, SP and NF
3. The next level is the functions
4. Then there's understanding the functional stack and type development

A lot of sophisticated use of typology can be used with just this and without a "fine grained" knowledge of, say, the precise difference between Fi and Fe.

At this stage of my type understanding I'm just getting to the fine grained understanding we're talking about. I proceed very slowly as I have to fully understand and see evidence of the ideas I'm formulating.

 

[Base groove]

At this stage of my type understanding I'm just getting to the fine grained understanding we're talking about. I proceed very slowly as I have to fully understand and see evidence of the ideas I'm formulating.

Yeah, that's great, but

I wouldn't call it sophisticated.

1. At the lowest level is the preferences or dichotomies
2. The next level is the large types, NT, SJ, SP and NF
3. The next level is the functions
4. Then there's understanding the functional stack and type development

Yes you have basically reiterated the Typology 101/201/301/401 lingo used at Personality Junkie.

It's like a bachelor's in MBTI. Not really all that sophisticated all of a sudden, when people come to you with grad school concepts and your jaw hits the floor.

 

[Architect]

Yeah, that's great, but

I wouldn't call it sophisticated.

oh my ...

 

[The Gopher]

How do you see Ne influencing your dominant Fi perspective. What do you think of Fi+Se types?

Do you think the quality of sympathy(Fe) or empathy(Fi) varies between the respective Fe and Fi types?

Fi is an incredibly passive function. Ne basicly does the exact same thing it does to INTP's Provides options possibilities creativity weird trains of thought... it would only be different as a dom function I imagine as aux it has the same role just different master.

I have no opinion on Se Fi.

Yes, of course it does but defining quality/quantity when different types want different things it too much of a bother.

 

[Architect]

Yeah, that's great, but

I wouldn't call it sophisticated.



Yes you have basically reiterated the Typology 101/201/301/401 lingo used at Personality Junkie.

It's like a bachelor's in MBTI. Not really all that sophisticated all of a sudden, when people come to you with grad school concepts and your jaw hits the floor.

It's odd that you insult people who are trying to help you make your point.

 

[The Gopher]

oh my ...

It's odd that you insult people who are trying to help you make your point.

Clearly Architect is an Fi type. He is displaying typical passive aggressive behavior and now will be forever negatively biased against base groove.

 

[Architect]

Clearly Architect is an Fi type. He is displaying typical passive aggressive behavior and now will be forever negatively biased against base groove.

You're kidding here, right?

In case you're not, I like BG and am surprised at the continuing negativity on this thread.

 

[TimeAsylums]

/fun
/rant

you motherfucking self sacrificial assholes, you want to be mother theresa? Good for you, go fucking die like the sandbag that you are, you don't know your own feelings, you want to avoid your own feelings at all fucking costs, all you can do is please others, dont you have a mind of your fucking own jesus fucking christ, you want to keep harmony? fucker how about finding your own unique individual harmony and truly creating harmony then going from there bitches

/end fun
/end rant

Fi > Fe

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Yeah, I was recently "betrayed" by a Fi person, on the comforting side what you get after that are apologies and lots of distance, so that you easily forget the situation and that particular person, so neither good or bad.

A slight Fe win, but if I were to raise my slave, I'd choose Fi.

 

[The Gopher]

You're kidding here, right?

In case you're not, I like BG and am surprised at the continuing negativity on this thread.

Of course I'm kidding :P and to Blarrarun if an Fi ever has to "betray" someone they still like, they orchestrate it in the best possible way for the person. For example just say I was going to a therapist and my Fi friend knew about this. They would time the betrayal a little ahead of the visit so I would have time to think before going to the therapist so aid even slightly in the healing process. (or at least that's what I would do)

 

[Base groove]

I never meant for any negativity or strong language I only meant to comment on the 'fine distinctions' that separate Personality Junkies from other, more sophisticated, theories. Really I didn't mean to make trouble.

 

[Analyzer]

Fi users shadow inferior is Ti. They lack understanding of logical principles and categories so their mode of functioning is focusing on their own values, however self-centered and irrational it may be. Having an inferior Te they often cling on to external systems and "security" to feel fulfilled. ISFPs along with ISTJs are probably some of the most dogmatic people out of all the 16 types.

INFPs on the other hand, while having Fi they use Ne so possibilities are endless. Instead of clinging to beliefs, i would say they create belief(value) systems. Just like INTPs often create logical systems.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Fi is an incredibly passive function. Ne basicly does the exact same thing it does to INTP's Provides options possibilities creativity weird trains of thought... it would only be different as a dom function I imagine as aux it has the same role just different master.

I have no opinion on Se Fi.

Yes, of course it does but defining quality/quantity when different types want different things it too much of a bother.

What do the different F types want? That's a good question.

/fun
/rant

you motherfucking self sacrificial assholes, you want to be mother theresa? Good for you, go fucking die like the sandbag that you are, you don't know your own feelings, you want to avoid your own feelings at all fucking costs, all you can do is please others, dont you have a mind of your fucking own jesus fucking christ, you want to keep harmony? fucker how about finding your own unique individual harmony and truly creating harmony then going from there bitches

/end fun
/end rant

Fi > Fe

Fe's tendency toward self-sacrifice annoys me,

Fe - Heightened sense of the external socio-environment allowing altruism or Machiavellianism?

Fi - Affected by internal psycho-emotional discomfort/gratification allowing altruism or Machiavellianism?

Maybe, there's degrees

1. At the lowest level is the preferences or dichotomies
2. The next level is the large types, NT, SJ, SP and NF
3. The next level is the functions
4. Then there's understanding the functional stack and type development

A lot of sophisticated use of typology can be used with just this and without a "fine grained" knowledge of, say, the precise difference between Fi and Fe.

At this stage of my type understanding I'm just getting to the fine grained understanding we're talking about. I proceed very slowly as I have to fully understand and see evidence of the ideas I'm formulating.

Well not even degrees, just different aspects of MBTI typlogy that can be understood separately. But yeah degrees makes sense for a systematic understanding.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

My tendency was to pretty much only respect self-autonomy and individuality. So Fi

The clearly articulated idea of Fe is one way in which typology has probably helped.
I can look for it and create and idea of what it is and simply go "they're different than me. That's alright".

 

[ENTP lurker]

Fi in inferior position gives me huge chills.
It is quite nice function for healthy individuals but coupled with Te inf. or tert. eruptions not so much. [I admit that my Fe eruptions can be quite immature but they are usually very humorous which is quintessential part of ENTP charm]

Fe is OK. These people are completely readable to me.