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NLANDCESKIM

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I’m surrounded by emotions that I didn't ask for, my closest relationship with another human has recently broken with a troublesome ending, mixing up feelings, thoughts and memories. We both had develop a mild obsession with each other that I do not feel so attached to, but care for the other’s involvement in it. The problem is that I never deeply seized the particular origin of his interest in me which led to a not so impartial evaluation of the whole and as an unsolved puzzle keeps catching my attention. We began having rational, knowledge-oriented conversations and after some months there were just miscellaneous feelings, and uncontrolled emotional states by his side playing with my sanity. Another point to expose is the identification of pattern in the male population, which as it seems, I appealed to: Extroverts with N function who show a mindset of X to Y nullification. I don’t possess an overly attractive body figure in relation with the average female but it seems to visually please the opposite sex, the trouble lies in the tacit way men I have encountered with, seem to assume that certain physical traits cannot coexist with functional mental capacities and must definitely suppress them. Right now I’m disappointed and frustrated about the general portraits of what is consider “acceptable gender behavior”, I don't now how to expose myself without hiding slices of my identity to avoid underestimation and I'm still concern about how to make clear without hearting a person I used to care for, that it was really an end. For further information he is ENFJ.
 

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Another point to expose is the identification of pattern in the male population, which as it seems, I appealed to: Extroverts with N function who show a mindset of X to Y nullification.

What's X to Y nullification? :confused:


the troubles lies in the tacit way men I have encountered with, seem to assume that certain physical traits cannot coexist with functional mental capacities and must definitely suppress them.

Fuck that shit, if someone wants you to suppress your self just for some stupid gender reason, it's a waste of your energy to engage them.

Right now I’m disappointed and frustrated about the general portraits of what is consider “acceptable gender behavior”, I don't now how to expose myself without hiding slices of my identity to avoid underestimation

Is this work related? In which contexts?
How do you hide yourself / expose yourself, are you talking about mentally/emotionally or physically? It's unclear.

Anyway, intellectual respect is gained, not instant, even if some gender and age stereotypes make things harder for some. Take shit from no-one and show your talents without reserves: those that underestimated you will have to swallow their words when you deliver good results/ideas.


Finally: it's near-impossible not to hurt someone in a breakup. Best to face that fact. State yourself clearly, and you've covered your side of responsibility towards the person. If they take it extremely badly they need some growing up to do.


(Also, paragraphs, please)
 

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Not much to say other than that breakups suck, and especially so when it marks the ending of a relationship that held so much false promise. I guess it can kind of feel like borderline embarrassment that one has allowed their guard to drop for what were, in hindsight, terrible reasons.

Also I think you might find that even he isn't fully aware of the origin of his interest in you. So trying to figure it out for yourself could be borderline impossible in this case.

The trouble lies in the tacit way men I have encountered with, seem to assume that certain physical traits cannot coexist with functional mental capacities and must definitely suppress them.
Unfortunately I think this permeates Anglo-centric culture to a smothering degree, and is unlikely to change any time soon.

Right now I’m disappointed and frustrated about the general portraits of what is consider “acceptable gender behavior”
Join the club. I empathize with females in this respect, because I've seen how often women are dismissed just for being women, or that they're just being, "over-emotional" about things when they're being as rational as anyone else. Not sure what to say about it, though you'll probably find a few kindred spirits on this forum in regards to gender role frustrations.

Welcome also :)
 

NLANDCESKIM

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What's X to Y nullification? :confused

Sorry, I just feel more comfortable with variables and mess them up, but I tried to say that If subject A has X characteristic it is implied that the same subject can never present characteristic Y.

Is this work related? In which contexts?
How do you hide yourself / expose yourself, are you talking about mentally/emotionally or physically? It's unclear.

I do it in every context it seems needed, to hide myself I undervalue my achievements in front of others so the conversation/relation can continue normally, hide my thoughts (even when I pretty sure abut their veracity) in sake of balance and dress with clothes that produce an doubtful effect about my gender at first sight.
Exposed myself, how to show myself keeping a balance without being forced to be oblivious towards one of the parts of my identity.
 

NLANDCESKIM

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Join the club. I empathize with females in this respect, because I've seen how often women are dismissed just for being women, or that they're just being, "over-emotional" about things when they're being as rational as anyone else. Not sure what to say about it, though you'll probably find a few kindred spirits on this forum in regards to gender role frustrations.
Welcome also :)

Although, it would be better and healthier to say that my case is an isolated problem in the world, I appreciate your awareness. Thanks for the welcoming! :)
 

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I’m surrounded by emotions that I didn't ask for, my closest relationship with another human has recently broken with a troublesome ending, mixing up feelings, thoughts and memories. We both had develop a mild obsession with each other that I do not feel so attached to, but care for the other’s involvement in it. The problem is that I never deeply seized the particular origin of his interest in me which led to a not so impartial evaluation of the whole and as an unsolved puzzle keeps catching my attention. We began having rational, knowledge-oriented conversations and after some months there were just miscellaneous feelings, and uncontrolled emotional states by his side playing with my sanity. Another point to expose is the identification of pattern in the male population, which as it seems, I appealed to: Extroverts with N function who show a mindset of X to Y nullification. I don’t possess an overly attractive body figure in relation with the average female but it seems to visually please the opposite sex, the trouble lies in the tacit way men I have encountered with, seem to assume that certain physical traits cannot coexist with functional mental capacities and must definitely suppress them. Right now I’m disappointed and frustrated about the general portraits of what is consider “acceptable gender behavior”, I don't now how to expose myself without hiding slices of my identity to avoid underestimation and I'm still concern about how to make clear without hearting a person I used to care for, that it was really an end. For further information he is ENFJ.
So let me get this straight:
1) You haven't yet explored and built an understanding around the emotions you experience, so they are still strange and confusing.
2) You met someone you had an intellectual connection with.
3) You fell in love with each other.
4) The person you fell in love with doesn't respect your mind sufficiently to continue the relationship.
5) You're worried that there won't be people out there who will get you, connect with you, love you, and whom you can be happy with long term.
6) You've bought into some of the ridiculous social pressures we place on women in our culture that rob people of self-worth and confidence, and you're having an internal backlash toward gender norms you deem unacceptable.

Correct me if I'm wrong in the above assessment.


1) I'm guessing you are very young. To build understanding of your emotions, I recommend you focus on them, be hyperaware of them, try to quantify and qualify them, and build understanding about each one. Those are normal feelings that most people implicitly understand, but INTPs have to work at it. Most people will not be able to comprehend how this could be difficult, because it's as easy as breathing to them. Still, work on it- it's worth knowing, you can learn it, and it will dramatically improve your understanding of others, along with your ability to guide and influence them.

2) This is totally normal and how relationships are formed.

3) This is also totally normal.

4) This is problematic. There are many men out there who won't respect you intellectually, and they can fuck right the hell off. They aren't worth your time.

5) There do exist many men who will try to understand you, care about your mind, listen to you, and feel passion for you. There are many who will not as well. It is up to you to sift through the unacceptable candidates for the good ones. Don't be afraid to let them go.

6) Try to ignore the myriad social pressures that you have to look a certain way, act a certain way, be a certain way, to attract people and build a lasting relationship. It's mostly bullshit. Anyone who doesn't like you for who you are, physically, intellectually, emotionally, sexually, whatever, isn't worth your time to date.
 

NLANDCESKIM

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So let me get this straight:

3) You fell in love with each other.

That's the only section that is not entirely right. I don't consider what I felt towards him as love, I always believed or preferred to believe that it was a friendly relation based on mutual understanding, appreciation and discussion of ideas, because for me the love wasn't a fundamental factor to assure the length, deepness or the permanence of our relationship. Nevertheless, I feel like the respect and the interest I showed led to a misleading interpretation by his side, that my past behavior just seem to have reinforced, and after a considerable amount of time it appears that the emotional difference became unbearable. I'm still struggling with the general requisite of love in two-based human intercourse so they can be considered satisfying or successful, and it continues appearing to me as an unnecessary issue that can obviously be enjoyed at some point but mustn't be considered as the only feature to based on the judgment of a relationship .


But the rest of your interpretation is completely accurate. I acknowledge your veracity and thank you for the support. :)
 
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