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Existential Crisis in Hell & Thinking of Cali., US

Chewy

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[If I've posted this in the wrong place, accept my sincere apologies in advance!]

How goes it, everyone? I'm sort of an unknown member here as I don't go on this forum very often, but I hope that some of you can give me some thoughts or words of advice on what I'm going through. Of course, being an INTP myself, I'd love to get some opinions or ideas from fellow INTPs. However, advice from anyone is greatly appreciated.

I've lived in a city called Adelaide, here in Australia, for about 22 years. I've lived in Sydney and the Gold Coast here too, but as mentioned above, I've lived most of my life so far in Adelaide; I pretty much grew up here.

I've always considered this place to be incredibly dull, but I always used to say to myself, "You'll get used to it." I haven't gotten used to it, I never have, but the issue is much more than that now. I've realised that I hate it. There's this prejudiced, elitist, conformist and somewhat racist undertone in this city that I absolutely f****** hate, and I'm not the only person here with this belief. In a city of 1 million inhabitants that seems to still be stuck in the 90s and that is cold and deceitfully aggressive towards anything new, this abovementioned multi-dimensional undertone infects the overwhelming majority. You can 'refuse and resist', but I've become mentally drained from doing that for so long. There are too few here of what I consider to be my kind of people -- open-minded, unassuming, genuine and cultured people, whether introverted and down-to-earth or outgoing and exuberant. I have two friends here, but they don't see things as I do (they are more like old acquaintances). Most of the few friends that I have are from other parts of the globe.

I very, very rarely get depressed, but the last couple of weeks have been hell. The worst has come at night, when I realise that I can't sleep; it's hard to explain, but I feel like I'm short of breath and suffocating. My mum passed away in 2008, in her mid 50s, and I felt broken; this may sound bad, but as terrible as I felt then, I think that I may actually feel worse now. When I reflect on my time here, I can confidently say that this city has been one long nightmare for me. I want out.

I have been studying my options to get out of here (out of this city as well as the country), which is something that I'll continue to do for the remainder of the year. For a couple of months now, I've felt like I want and need a totally fresh start in what I guess is the next, emerging phase of my life. In some ways, I am fortunate that I hold two internationally recognised degrees from well respected Australian universities -- I have a BA in Social Work and an MA in Teaching (In addition, I've done courses in sociology and logic, and I've also worked as a tutor for 1 year). I have looked at moving to the US for work (in teaching) for 1-2 years, and then see how I go from there.

I'm realistic about this, and I know that I'd need to remain here for another 12-18 months to work and save in order to make the transition; the thought of leaving this hell hole, I am sure, would be the only thing keeping me motivated.

When I mentioned moving to the US, I meant somewhere in California. I spent time in LA and San Francisco a year ago, and I was surprised at the positive vibes that I got from both cities, even though the latter seemed to be more accessible and liveable, at least in my view. I loved the cultural diversity of both cities. I guess that my experiences were enjoyable because I kept an open mind about both places, especially LA. Of course, I'd be willing to move to other parts of California as well; no problems there.

As you can probably tell from what I've disclosed so far, at this stage, I only have preliminary and fairly open-ended ideas. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself; like I said, I've prepared to give myself 12-18 months (24 if necessary) to save up and plan sensibly before making any decisions.

I guess some questions that I'd have for you guys would be:

- Have you ever wanted so badly to get out of your city/town/state to work and live elsewhere? If so, did you ever make a planned transition and was it worth it?
- If so, how did you research and plan your move?
- Are there any recommendations that you think you could give me (e.g. about important things to look into in the next 12-18 months)?
 

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I've lived in a city called Adelaide, here in Australia, for about 22 years. I've lived in Sydney and the Gold Coast here too, but as mentioned above, I've lived most of my life so far in Adelaide; I pretty much grew up here.
You poor bastard.

Come to Brisbane, we're laid back and surprisingly cultured here.

Otherwise I'd suggest Tokyo, they always need English teachers over there (for teaching fluency in the language, so you don't need to speak Japanese, though it would help) and it's anything but boring.

The US sounds a lot like Adelaide imo, at least the south anyway.
 

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- Have you ever wanted so badly to get out of your city/town/state to work and live elsewhere? If so, did you ever make a planned transition and was it worth it?

Yes, this is how I feel about Arizona, and most of the United States. I'll be moving to Portland in January, which while not as large of a geographical change, ideologically I dearly hope otherwise. I really wouldn't recommend the States at all, I intend to leave altogether at some point. My perspective may be skewed, but things just seem to continually worsen here. Luddism, superstition, racisim, and anti-intellectualism abound. You can't escape Fox news and the tea partiers. :phear:

If you insist, do avoid Southern Cali (my birthplace) at all costs, the Mojave desert is a hellhole. Though I really liked San Diego, but that was a decade ago so it may have changed significantly with the influx of illegal immigrants...

Northern California (though it's expensive there) and possibly Oregon are your best bets imo.


- If so, how did you research and plan your move?

In the process thereof as we speak. Wish I could leave today.

- Are there any recommendations that you think you could give me (e.g. about important things to look into in the next 12-18 months)?

Immigration into the US is supposedly extremely difficult, time consuming and expensive.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18552_so-you-want-to-be-american-5-circles-immigration-hell.html
 

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oh fun fact

The US has the highest rate of mental illness of any developed country and the 3rd highest of all of them.

So when people say the US is insane, it's true.
 

MatthewSawyer

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Before I address your direct questions, I have a couple general comments to make. The general members of the forum may feel free to correct me, as this is an "outsider" (Canadian) making comments about the current "situation" in America.

I have been to San Francisco a couple times and could see myself living there. I considered it once. I would not consider it now. I don't imagine there being much work for me (I am an engineer). Also, based on a recent trip into the north east of the US (New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Upstate New York), I can't imagine the "general populace" being too welcoming to foreigners. It is my understanding that the job market is somewhat dire there, and that "some people" are a little defensive about "foreigners" taking "their" jobs.

Now, I hope I haven't offended anyone. It's a slightly similar situation in Canada (hard to find work) where I am now (Ontario).

I guess some questions that I'd have for you guys would be:

- Have you ever wanted so badly to get out of your city/town/state to work and live elsewhere? If so, did you ever make a planned transition and was it worth it?
- If so, how did you research and plan your move?
- Are there any recommendations that you think you could give me (e.g. about important things to look into in the next 12-18 months)?

1) Yes, I moved from Toronto to one of the smallest towns in British Columbia. It was a move of about 5200kms. It absolutely was worth it. I got lucky and timed things well. I took a relatively ludicrous job in construction where I worked insane hours, but I paid off my debt and set myself up "life" in a "thriving metropolis."

2) I didn't do much research. I was finishing school; I went to a job fair; My intuition kicked in and I went with it.

3) My personal set up was that I got a job for a construction company working in remote locations. This meant that they provided room and board for the vast majority of the time. This made the transition much easier. Oh yeah, I was also single, so it really was easy to just pick up and go.

On a side note, you probably wouldn't have much trouble getting into Canada. There's lots of loop holes and supposedly just about everyone from south asia knows about them. I hope that's not too racist. I mean that respectfully.

On a personal note, I moved back a little over a year ago. The transition back was really hard for me (going from "the bush" back into society, and Canada's biggest city none the less).

I would suggest looking within your own country. The Japan thing sounds interesting, but you know yourself better than I do, so you'd be able to judge if that's feasible. I don't think it would be for me.

Good Luck.
 

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So I can honestly say that I've lived in both Australia and California. I grew up in California and the first chance I got, I moved away from my hometown. A year after moving away, I packed up and moved to Australia to get a fresh start on life. I have to say that I have no regrets about moving whatsoever, other than missing my friends and family.

I have come back to California for a holiday and am currently there now and honestly, it isn't as cool as I remember. People are different, more conservative now than I remember. Perhaps I have gotten more liberal in the past 5 years, but perhaps not.

My advice to you is: you'll always be wondering "what if" if you never take a leap. If it doesn't work out, at least you tried it. If you don't leave, you'll feel full of regret for the possible opportunities missed. Personally I relish change and urge you to take action, what could be worse than sitting in a stagnant situation in life. If you're unhappy, change it.
 

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also: you might want to wait another 10 years for the US economy to recover before considering moving there!
 

The Gopher

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yeah the australian dollar is higher than the american dollar right now and I second cog move to queensland. As long as you don't go to perth it's full of tratiors and backstabbers.... cheese? Oh now why did I say cheese?:evil:
 

MatthewSawyer

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My advice to you is: you'll always be wondering "what if" if you never take a leap. If it doesn't work out, at least you tried it. If you don't leave, you'll feel full of regret for the possible opportunities missed. Personally I relish change and urge you to take action, what could be worse than sitting in a stagnant situation in life. If you're unhappy, change it.


On a related note, I have found that, by and large, most people regret the things they did not do. I have yet to find many people who regret things they did try.

(I don't know the posters on this forum, but there are obvious exceptions to the above statement, but please, let's keep this in context. Thank you.)
 

cheese

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yeah the australian dollar is higher than the american dollar right now and I second cog move to queensland. As long as you don't go to perth it's full of tratiors and backstabbers.... cheese? Oh now why did I say cheese?:evil:
I really don't know. Why DID you say 'cheese'? I'm in Sydney ya big wally.
 

The Gopher

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yeah I wasn't conecting you to the city just mentioning your name alongside the city of perth.
 

The Gopher

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Yeah cheese is all good and fine until he tries to take over my chat box.(a attack which seems to have failed)
 

Jesse

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Check out Melbourne. It also has the same cultural wankery that you seek.
 

Chewy

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Thanks, everyone, for the responses and general advice. There are a number of paths I can take, so I'll be doing some research over the next year or so, while I work, to decide what's right for me.
 

nexion

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I would recommend not going to the US. It is dull and things are fucked up. Seriously. If things in politics and economy continue as they are, I could see this country going through extremely major changes within the next 10 or so years, maybe less.
 
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