ENTP??

[Ermine]

I'm kind of confused, and I have a few questions for you MBTI experts out there. Firstly, the primary and secondary functions of an INTP are Ti and Ne. While I am certainly strong in both of these functions, I have always been more comfortable and skilled with Ne. It feels like more of a primary function for me than Ti. If my primary function were Ne, which I think it is, then I would be an ENTP. However, there is a bit of a discrepancy with the tertiary and inferior functions. For an ENTP, these would be Fe and Si. While both of these are weak for me, I'd say that I'm slightly better off in the Si department than I am Fe, like an INTP. I also am not as competitive as your average ENTP. That being said, would I be an ENTP with confidence issues that's choosy with friends, or a confident INTP?

Secondly, I'm not sure if I'm as introverted as I am because I like it that way, or if my slight speech development issues are holding me back. How much can the MBTI be skewed by things like that?

And also, are there any other INTPs stronger in Ne than Ti?

 

[fullerene]

*waves*

I'm Ne-Ti, but my Ne doesn't quite work like an ENTPs. It spends time synthesizing all sorts of wide ideas, where ENTPs tend to use it for humor and wordplay and stuff. My function analysis test from however long ago also turned up Ne-Ti in strength. I'm quite clearly an introvert, though, because the strengths were Ne-Ti-Fi-Ni-Te-Si.... so the rest of the strong introverted functions I think overwhelm the primary Ne to make me a pretty strong I. (I should say that these strengths seem consistent with my life as well, with the exception maybe of Ni, which I have no idea how to judge the strength of)

One of the other things that I realized, though, is that it might just be because of our age. I've heard that INTPs' secondary function really "comes into its own" in the early 20s. You're not much younger than me, so it might just seem a whole lot like you're more comfortable with your Ne just because it's the stage of your life where it solidifies.

 

[Ermine]

Makes sense, but I do both the synthesizing in my head and the humor all at once. What I lack in social skills I make up for in humor and wit. And in my research of ENTPs, I noticed that they're all about analyzing and trying to understand their environment, whereas INTPs would be consumed by more theoretical understanding such as philosophy (which I'm usually not as interested in). It often seems I have everything except for the social drive and the competitive nature of an ENTP. And wasn't there something in the age thread about when certain functions mature?

 

[JoeJoe]

The described development of the functions is only the most probable development. I for instance think that my Fe is pretty strong for my age (16) and that it is stronger than my Si.

Also, I'm not sure how you notice that you're using Ti. Maybe you're using it more than you think you are.

 

[Perseus]

I'm kind of confused, and I have a few questions for you MBTI experts out there. Firstly, the primary and secondary functions of an INTP are Ti and Ne. While I am certainly strong in both of these functions, I have always been more comfortable and skilled with Ne. It feels like more of a primary function for me than Ti. If my primary function were Ne, which I think it is, then I would be an ENTP. However, there is a bit of a discrepancy with the tertiary and inferior functions. For an ENTP, these would be Fe and Si. While both of these are weak for me, I'd say that I'm slightly better off in the Si department than I am Fe, like an INTP. I also am not as competitive as your average ENTP. That being said, would I be an ENTP with confidence issues that's choosy with friends, or a confident INTP?

Secondly, I'm not sure if I'm as introverted as I am because I like it that way, or if my slight speech development issues are holding me back. How much can the MBTI be skewed by things like that?

And also, are there any other INTPs stronger in Ne than Ti?

If you are fully fledged operating ENTP Snake, you will spook all Horsemen (ESFJ), be in danger of attack from Unicorns, Petrolheads (Taxi Drivers, Bus Drivers, White Van Men), Spitting Camels, and their agents.

You may drive, but you will not be married to your car.

 

[NoID10ts]

I'm intrigued by the ENTP profile. I always test very introverted, and in everyday life I am, but it seems like when I become comfortable amongst a group, I become more of an ENTP. This was true in my college days when I had a close group of friends that I was very comfortable with. They all seemed to view me as comic relief in those days. I was also quite the vicious prankster whose exploits are the stuff of legend amonst my old friends. I wonder if I seem like an ENTP here.

 

[Anthile]

I'm intrigued by the ENTP profile. I always test very introverted, and in everyday life I am, but it seems like when I become comfortable amongst a group, I become more of an ENTP. This was true in my college days when I had a close group of friends that I was very comfortable with. They all seemed to view me as comic relief in those days. I was also quite the vicious prankster whose exploits are the stuff of legend amonst my old friends. I wonder if I seem like an ENTP here.

It´s exactly the same with me. All the points.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

In one of the INTP profiles I read it said that when INTPs are in a comfortable social environment, with close friends, they can become very gregarious. And using the Ne for pranking, humor and black humor... all very typical. Just because it's secondary doesn't mean it's nothing to sneeze at!

(I thought the profile was Paul James', but I can't find the part.)

I think we also take our Ti for granted. I mean, it's been with us all our lives... it is really hard to identify exactly where it is in all my thinking processes. And I'm going to take the hard agnostic attitude: if I can't figure it out, neither can you!

 

[Gorgrim]

i think pranks are more an ENTP thing. in my experience atleast

 

[Perseus]

I'm intrigued by the ENTP profile. I always test very introverted, and in everyday life I am, but it seems like when I become comfortable amongst a group, I become more of an ENTP. This was true in my college days when I had a close group of friends that I was very comfortable with. They all seemed to view me as comic relief in those days. I was also quite the vicious prankster whose exploits are the stuff of legend amongst my old friends. I wonder if I seem like an ENTP here.

I get like this when I am drunk. Extroversion, but after awhile I become exhausted. Also, the Horsemen (ESFJ) get spooked. They want to be in control and an ENTP is in control of his own destiny and has sewer plugs in his ears. He gets so carried away that he fails to notice envious Irrationals (SF) plotting against him. He has to rise above (become introverted) such unfortunate power hungry merchants and thieves riding under the Roman God of Mercury (like the Atrebates of southern England before the invasion).

Intuition runs very powerful on social setting. Hence, this occurs in a friendly environment.

Phoenix XNXP from Neptune
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

The Phoenix is a morph-shift from Eagle INTP. Intoxication induces Extroversion and Feeling increases and as these two are not very high for me, the change can occur relatively easily.

In theory, my Heart could overrule my Head, but usually it stops just short of this, by a mere fraction.

 

[Yozuki]

I get like this when I am drunk. Extroversion, but after awhile I become exhausted. Also, the Horsemen (ESFJ) get spooked. They want to be in control and an ENTP is in control of his own destiny and has sewer plugs in his ears. He gets so carried away that he fails to notice envious Irrationals (SF) plotting against him. He has to rise above (become introverted) such unfortunate power hungry merchants and thieves riding under the Roman God of Mercury (like the Atrebates of southern England before the invasion).

Intuition runs very powerful on social setting. Hence, this occurs in a friendly environment.

Phoenix XNXP from Neptune
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

The Phoenix is a morph-shift from Eagle INTP. Intoxication induces Extroversion and Feeling increases and as these two are not very high for me, the change can occur relatively easily.

In theory, my Heart could overrule my Head, but usually it stops just short of this, by a mere fraction.

It's funny you say this. I don't need to plot against ENTPs as much as I just throw myself at them and take them down from there.

 

[Agent Intellect]

i'm not really sure how someone can have stronger Ti then Ne. or, at least, how they can compare the two. its like saying that your oranges taste more like an orange then your apples taste like apple. they're two very different functions, and i'd say they aren't mutually exclusive. that and how does one really measure how strong or mature a function is? also, to me anyway, extroversion and introversion seem hard to discern. i don't think all extroverts are outgoing, charismatic people with enormous social networks, just like all introverts aren't recluses suffering from severe social anxiety.

 

[Ermine]

However, we aren't discussing how well I can taste an orange. There are specific skills associated with Ti and Ne. Personally, I'm better at brainstorming and making connections between ideas than I am at analysis and logic.

 

[del]

However, we aren't discussing how well I can taste an orange. There are specific skills associated with Ti and Ne. Personally, I'm better at brainstorming and making connections between ideas than I am at analysis and logic.

This is true: being better at brainstorming and coming up with ideas doesn't make you an ENTP necessarily.

What it's missing is the extroverted component -- remember, Jung did not define extroversion in terms of sociability, but rather in the sense of being oriented around the external environment.

This is why INTPs are often characterized as theorists and ENTPs as inventors. INTPs are just more concerned with the consistency of various ideas; ENTPs are more interested in actually exploiting them.

An academic example is all the debate on string theory these days: I'd bet INTPs would be more likely to be in the debate, trying to come up with support for a legitimate model; and ENTPs are more likely the ones you hear about trying to develop crazy technology that may be possible if the theories are correct.

An example I just saw in my life is over the creation of a student Linux user group on campus. My good friend (an INTP) was interested, and went into analysis/brainstorm mode over how such a thing should be accomplished. My initial response (and I recently conceeded to my friend that I'm likely an ENTP) was to post on the student forums to see if anyone was nterested, talk to an advisor, and get a bunch of people in one room and brainstorm what should be done wth the group.

INTPs usually don't go for the "getting things going" approach right off the bat. IME, they typically hang back and analyze/brainstorm before doing anything.

And to be honest, I'm not that great of a theorist. I'm too impatient. What I am good at is seeing an connection, getting people with their own expertise invovled, putting everyone in one room, and doing my best to be a catalyst and keep the juice going through the project.

IMO, that's probably the biggest indicator between INTPs and ENTPs, because, from reading Keirsey, he makes it sound as though all the Rationals are a little more introverted on average, so it can be hard to tell on the face of things.

 

[lucazin]

Today I was interested in reading about the different descriptions of all the personality which have as a first quality one of abilities of the INTP (Ti, Ne, Si) and the others NTs. Something I found curious is that in many ways I (we) tend to have the same action (or thought) of one of them, though in different levels.

Imagine we've twenty little blocks and we must build our development in each function using them (but Thinking is alone not as Ti) and there are ten medium blocks that you divide between Introverted and Extraverted. Their levels are not permanent and keep changing throw your life and they can vanish if their blocks end (less the Ti). Now see some examples like this:

5-11 years old
---> I with 8 blocks; E with 2 blocks
---> T with 3 blocks; Ne with 3 blocks; Si with 3; Fe with 1 (few blocks)

12-25 years old
---> I with 5 blocks; E with 5 blocks
---> T with 4 blocks; Ne with 5; Si with 4; Fe with 2 (fifteen blocks)

25-200 years old
---> I with 6 blocks; E with 4 blocks (or 5/5)
---> T with 6 blocks; Ne with 6; Si with 4; Fe with 4 (all blocks)

When a child I (we) were shy and little out going, with your function in a premature stat. When a teenager and a young adult (I'm 15 so the period I'm know) you began to be more intuitive and extroverted, while your function develop as Fe and Ne can overthrow Ti. In the adults years you've your functions developed and their hierarchy INTP settles or can change your personality (though I don't see people changing their preference for I or E, it seems the only unbreakeable).

It doesn't has just a little acurracy and can always change (1% of the population are 60 millions people after all...). What I tried to show with that (even for myself) was your inner person can have many changes and the others functions can overthrow your "preference" in a period of time though it doesn't make you an ENTP, INFP.

Although it can happen (it's 3:00 am and it's a little too complex for now...)

 

[chocolate]

Hi, I am new. I am entp most definitely. When I first checked out entp.org, I lol'd a lot and found ppl saying things that were things I had already thought of, in almost the exact words. I'm sort of lurking here, curious about the intp, but I didn't have that experience here as of yet.

I'd say go over to entp.org. If you lol a lot, you're prob entp. Very scientific I know

 

[Jesin]

However, we aren't discussing how well I can taste an orange. There are specific skills associated with Ti and Ne. Personally, I'm better at brainstorming and making connections between ideas than I am at analysis and logic.

How do you measure that, and are you sure that means your Ne is dominant?

 

[Perseus]

I have not yet heard a good idea come out of brainstorming yet. It is just a process to let off steam. On a ENTP trip, I can come out with latent ideas, but it is not the best way to portray them.

 

[Ermine]

How do you measure that, and are you sure that means your Ne is dominant?

I guess I can't really say until I'm older, since it seems common for INTPs in their late teens and 20s to be most mature with their Ne function.

 

[Kidege]

ENTPs love us.

 

[chocolate]

busted.

 

[Carinthian]

Now you get a cookie covered with ENTP love. The dread.

 

[lucazin]

La théorie dynamique

L'aisance à l'exercice d'une fonction se développe dans le temps ; un individu a ainsi :

• une fonction dominante, développée dans l'enfance, qui est la fonction favorite dans son monde (I ou E) favori : par exemple la pensée introvertie Ti
• une fonction auxiliaire, développée à l'adolescence, qui vient équilibrer la fonction dominante : elle figure sur l'axe opposé à celui de la fonction dominante, et son énergie lui est aussi opposée (2 possibilités au total, donc) ; par exemple l'iNtuition extravertie Ne

=> ce sont les deux lettres du milieu (ST, SF, NT, NF) du type MBTI

• une fonction tertiaire, développée chez le jeune adulte : elle est le complément de la fonction auxiliaire ; dans l'exemple, la Sensation introvertie Si
• une fonction inférieure, qui est la moins développée : c'est le complément de la dominante ; dans l'exemple, le Sentiment extraverti Fe

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers_Briggs_Type_Indicator

The ease with the exercise of a function develops over time an individual has:

* A dominant feature, developed in childhood, which is the favorite in the world (I or E): A thought for example introverted Ti
* An ancillary developed during adolescence, just balance the dominant figure on it axis opposed to that of the dominant, and its energy is also opposed (2 possibilities in total, so); eg Do extroverted intuition

=> The two letters of the medium (ST, SF, NT, NF) type MBTI

* A service, developed in young adults: it is complementary to the function, in the example, the introverted If Sensation
* A lower, which is the least developed: the addition to the dominant, in the example, the extroverted Sentiment Fe

Google translation...

Sum up, those paragraphs mean that you develop your auxiliary function through the adolescence, while the terciary function is developed in adulthood.

So it's a pretty normal thing. A suggestion is you try to remember how you're before you get in the adolescence, at least it worked with me after reading it.

 

[chocolate]

Did somebody say cookies!? mmmm.

 

[Luzian]

Did somebody say cookies!? mmmm.

OK, it's official, everyone likes cookies. I'm going to start carrying cookies in my bag to bribe people