Emile Hirsch - INTP?

[scorpiomover]

Been following him for a while. In most of his movies, he's quiet, withdrawn, not that social or reactive to others. Soft, tends to adapt to others.

Was watching "Speed Racer" last night. In the film, he says "Racing hasn't changed, and it never will." The other racer says back to him "It doesn't matter if racing never changes. What matters is if we let racing change us." As he's driving in the finale, he thinks of this yet again. Then he does the most impossible driving stunts that require leaps of imagination.

Does more adventurous films. But he's done a wide variety of films, on a very wide scope, everything from a straight-A student, to a very stupid drug dealer, to a top racing driver.

Quotes:

"I think I've always been half out of my shell and half in. Sometimes I can be extremely wild and sometimes I can be extremely shy. It just depends on the day."

"The willingness to keep learning is, I think, the most important thing about trying to be good at anything. You never want to stop learning."

"James Dean taught me not to speed, River Phoenix taught me not to DO speed, and Marlon Brando taught me to slow down on the cheeseburgers."

Also, I found this discussion on the IMDB forum boards about him: Emile Hirsch: Is he ever going to work again?". Apparently, he took 2 years to decide on what film to do next. However, most of his film choices seem to have been really good choices.

What do you think?

 

[Architect]

I don't see compelling evidence he's an INTP. Acting is somewhat unusual for the type, two actors that very likely are INTP's are Jim Parsons and Larry David. You can use them for comparison.

 

[nanook]

i see him as NiFe-SeTi hybrid, but NiFe is stronger in him. i seem him holding a constant feeling attitude (left eyebrow tension) in the background while flashing temporary bursts of thinking. i see him holding introverted focus (right eye tense) and feeling (left eyebrow) at the same time (for example at 0:21), while occasionally relaxing or exploding (becoming shocked) into extroversion and thinking (right eyebrow) at the same time (for example 0:25 or 0:38). i see him having a staring/static (S) perception of the objective/unkown (e)/upper right (0:36). i remember guessing him as TiSe, years ago, before i had this nuanced way of analysing cues. i'm just practicing this, don't take my word for it.

i can't find some of the cues that i'm usually looking out for. his mouth area is keeping some secrets from me.

i'm referring to this interview (ironically he is flashing his thinking in the cover picture of the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j1wGzqfKtQ

 

[Brontosaurie]

maybe he's an ISFP who thinks that not interacting with the rest of the cast in a movie is some kinda transcendental avant garde nxt_lvl statement of solitude/alienation

 

[scorpiomover]

I don't see compelling evidence he's an INTP. Acting is somewhat unusual for the type, two actors that very likely are INTP's are Jim Parsons and Larry David. You can use them for comparison.

Larry David, definitely.

But Jim Parsons does way, way too much of a good impression of the characteristics of ISTJs and INTJs. I seriously doubt if any INTP's bowel movements ever ran like a German train schedule. I seriously doubt if any INTP would get enough confidence to think of himself as a benevolent overlord of humanity, or have the temerity to approach a Nobel-prize winner and treat him like an underling. I know that we can live without sex. But we do like it. I know that it's just a programme. But if someone can act unlike their type, then why can't they be any type and who is a great actor?

(left eyebrow tension)

I don't usually type by facial expressions. Anyone can do any number of facial expressions. In particular, my facial expressions naturally express what I'm feeling, which is not under my control. I'd agree that he's got an intense look. But I have no reason to say that INTPs can't. However, he completely lacks the warmth of INFJs there. Whether they like you, hate you, or are ignoring you, they radiate emotional feeling. He radiates nothing, like a black spot.

i can't find some of the cues that i'm usually looking out for. his mouth area is keeping some secrets from me.

Could he be ISTP? They have Ni and Fe like INFJs. I considered he could simply be a smart ISTP, as he portrays a lot of adventurous characters, in the wild, selling drugs, and racing cars.

 

[nanook]

you can't make all facial expressions, try it out.

I have to correct a typo: i wrote NiFe-SiTe hybrid but i meant NiFe-SeTi / INFJ-ESTP hyprid.

 

[scorpiomover]

I don't see compelling evidence he's an INTP. Acting is somewhat unusual for the type,

Profession isn't a good way to type someone. But least of all, to type an INTP. There's an amazing range of interests and jobs held here by INTPs.

two actors that very likely are INTP's are Jim Parsons and Larry David. You can use them for comparison.

Spoiler

Quotes by Jim Parsons:

As a human being, you know that there are some days when you'd rather not talk to anybody - but I can't really do that anymore without appearing rude.

Introvert.

My choices in projects have all been character or role-based, and on a financial level, it's obvious: as an actor on a TV series, I get a wonderful paycheck, and a consistent paycheck, which doesn't always happen when you're doing theater or movies.

Motivations for the types of jobs he chooses, are mainly about consistency and reliability. Sensor.

All I can do is keep working, keep auditioning, keep talking to people - and whatever it takes to show other colors.

Just keeps trying, No use of ideas to stir things up. Just keeps plugging away. Sensor.

It's a shame, but every time I get something scientific in the script, I read up to find out what I'm talking about - but then I'm on to the next script and it's forgotten

No Si.

I try to master every facet of a character in order to build a safety net for myself, so I can go on to take more risks to create someone really distinct.

Focusses on the details.

I was very average in the social label scale going through school. I was neither the coolest person in school, nor did I suffer the slings and arrows of being made fun of to such a degree that I couldn't get through the day.

He's an ordinary guy, from an ordinary school, who isn't terribly great or awful at science, and maths, but who is good at playing people who are, probably because he observed them.

I'd be inclined to say that Jim Parsons is an ISTP. Close to an INTP. But still quite different.

Edit: Jim Parsons could be an ISTP, an ISTJ, or an INTJ, or an INTP. But a lot seems against INTP.

I'd agree with Larry David, though. But he's extremely limbic.

A calm version of Larry David might be another story.

However, I'm not trying to justify that Hirsch is INTP. Just that these reasons are not reasons to argue that the isn't, which would leave the matter way open.

 

[scenefinale]

I don't see compelling evidence he's an INTP. Acting is somewhat unusual for the type, two actors that very likely are INTP's are Jim Parsons and Larry David. You can use them for comparison.

Larry David is ISTP. Strong Ti, I could see how many think he is INTP.

 

[Architect]

Profession isn't a good way to type someone. But least of all, to type an INTP. There's an amazing range of interests and jobs held here by INTPs.

Naturally, but it's an element, as are all the other clues when typing someone. I'd maintain that INTP's are underrepresented in acting.

I have a paper on MBTI types in programming. Some simple statistics showed that ISTJ's were most common, followed by ISTP's, INTJ's and INTP's. However if you to a statistical comparison to their frequency in the general population you find that INTP's are overrepresented in software engineering. R=2.46, with only INTJ being higher at 3.40. So goes my evidence that INTP's should consider programming.

The same analysis could be done for acting, and while it hasn't AFAIK this is my heuristic estimation.

Edit: Jim Parsons could be an ISTP, an ISTJ, or an INTJ, or an INTP. But a lot seems against INTP.

There's an old post here by Adymus pegging him as INTP, playing an INTP. The Pod'Lair people are crazy, but I do think they were good at typing people. I don't have a lot of evidence otherwise but think they have it right.

Larry David is ISTP. Strong Ti, I could see how many think he is INTP.

Ti is the INTP dominant too you know. Every ISTP I know and have seen is athletic in some way, LD doesn't touch the stuff. If you study his humor it's an expose of an INTP on the outside looking into society. Situational comedy (taking things out of context) is the usual INTP fare.

 

[scenefinale]

Ti is the INTP dominant too you know. Every ISTP I know and have seen is athletic in some way, LD doesn't touch the stuff. If you study his humor it's an expose of an INTP on the outside looking into society. Situational comedy (taking things out of context) is the usual INTP fare.

He golfs and he's actually in great shape.
Trust me, I've seen every episode of Seinfeld and CYE, he is 100% ISTP.

Most of the things he deals with are well-grounded things such as calculating tips, etc. He doesn't talk much about abstracting or stuff N types usually carry on about.. Also, the character George Costanza (although Jason Alexander is in no way an ISTP) is based on Larry David, George is most certainly not an INTP.

 

[scenefinale]

Oh but as for INTPs for reference, there are plenty listed here!
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=20395

 

[Analyzer]

Was re-watching some Seinfeld and especially Curb and Larry David seems more like a ISTP than INTP which I originally thought. He doesn't go into ideas or intellectual topics like an INTP would, and a lot of his scenarios are Se based. For sure a Ti dom.

Jim Parsons seems like an IXTJ to me. The Te seems pretty apparent in Big Bang Theory.

 

[Architect]

He golfs and he's actually in great shape.
Trust me, I've seen every episode of Seinfeld and CYE, he is 100% ISTP. Most of the things he deals with are things such as calculating tips, etc; he doesn't talk much about abstracting or stuff N types usually carry on about.. Also, the character George Costanza (although Jason Alexander is in no way an ISTP) is based on Larry David, George is most certainly not an INTP.

Find me a misanthropic ISTP. It's certainly not common. And playing golf hardly counts, and I'd hardly count that scrawny body as being "great shape". I work with a lot of ISTP's, my brother is one and none of them golf. They like more daring sports. All of them Ski practically. The only small thin one I can think of is Woody Allen, who probably is an ISTP.

At any rate I know all about the point about George, you're making too much of that in my opinion. He obviously didn't mean George is the literal him, but the closest of the characters. George is a social misfit, which was probably the comparison LD was making.

No point arguing otherwise.

 

[scenefinale]

They like more daring sports. All of them Ski practically.

He goes skiing as well. Not all ISTPs are mesomorphs.