Egocentric "Natural" Morality

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Yet, if we are to give up on language, and rely on communication through numbers for the rest of our lives, will that satisfy the multiple layers of our ego and beneath?

Information bias, privacy, limited worldviews, resource management, the list goes on... So many problems, so little time.

It's funny you say that because Sumerian script written on Cuneiform tablets was the primordial written language we know of and it didn't involve abstract words used in poetry or literature, a lot of the language was mathematical operators, syntactic words and concepts of "debt", "pay" etc, all transactional and not predicated on emotion.

And then my boi Wittgenstein slammed philosophy on the same precedent: Illogicality. Most of the words we use are not essential, as in they cannot be reduced into atomic meaning that are exclusive in their meaning. We have many words for similar and exact phenomena, so could numbers however that's why whole numbers are either prime or composite numbers.

Thats the most roundabout, complicated and long winded way I have seen anyone to date ... say very little of worth. Very ineficient use of words to get a point across.

The way we communicate is intuitive and with each passing day we write 1000s of words into our keyboards, our thoughts do not have a filter and become a stream of consciousness rather than an academically, peer-reviewed posit. I think inefficiency can be said of any point really most can be reduced to atomic propositions based on axioms and logical operators but the way we predominantly communicate is organically, conversation is in the immediate present so it's hard to maintain a dual function of revising your meaning and communicating within the reference frame (e.g 10 seconds before the person's short term memory dissipates.)

In the nature of INTPs using people as a soundboard for their ideas their language can become self-referential, that is skipping points that they assume to be self-evident by the other. So that's another communication problem too. I don't think you should really criticise people on efficiency, because language is often inherently unefficient, but if you don't get what the mean just tell them to explain again.

 

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@Cognisant Where do you live exactly? Religion is massively on the decline, it may have flooded your past but if you're in western society religion is not picked up at all. I speak of your past because my dad was very obsessed with religion, he must've felt indoctrinated. The dude really went through every forum known to man to disassemble religion.

 

[Cognisant]

Australia, got sent to Sunday school as a kid and got kicked out for asking too many difficult questions. For a short time in my youth I was quite the believer and it embittered me greatly, I have a tendency to mull on things, my life at the time was unpleasant (stepfather) so I concluded god's plan for me was rather dark.

This led to a vehement apostasy by way of maltheism.

 

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Australia, got sent to Sunday school as a kid and got kicked out for asking too many difficult questions. For a short time in my youth I was quite the believer and it embittered me greatly, I have a tendency to mull on things, my life at the time was unpleasant (stepfather) so I concluded god's plan for me was rather dark.

This led to a vehement apostasy by way of maltheism.

Ah misotheism, beautiful. I posted a status about this recently I thought it was very cool, no one shared the same belief. Glad there's synergy there.

Viking as fuck.

If there's any solace it's doubtful the next generation will hold the candle of religion, so in that respect you're the sacrifice:

"For every great leap forward, a generation is sacrificed"
-Some chinese minister, I can't find it anymore on google it may have been censored.

 

[Kormak]

Australia, got sent to Sunday school as a kid and got kicked out for asking too many difficult questions. For a short time in my youth I was quite the believer and it embittered me greatly, I have a tendency to mull on things, my life at the time was unpleasant (stepfather) so I concluded god's plan for me was rather dark.

This led to a vehement apostasy by way of maltheism.

Well this explains a lot, esp that anger. I went to sunday school as well. Never beleaved tho, questioned it even then. Always found it fun to poke and prod the priest with questions that made him uncomfortable tho. I haven't been to church since confirmation tbh.. don't see the point in it outside of socializing, but there are no like minded individuals there. Parents grew up under communism as well, idk about mom, but dad is a excommunicated catholic, they haven't insisted on neither me nor my ENFP brother being religious and they don't go to church outside of holidays. I don't bother even then.

Most ppl here with a few exceptions, at least the ppl I know don;t really care about religion. its just a social facade they keep up. One goes to church, because its social costum.

At one point I tried to become catholic, to "embrace" religion. I couldn't. I read the bible :/ idk... something is wrong with me, I can;t seem to become religious even if I will it to.

The way we communicate is intuitive and with each passing day we write 1000s of words into our keyboards, our thoughts do not have a filter and become a stream of consciousness rather than an academically, peer-reviewed posit. I think inefficiency can be said of any point really most can be reduced to atomic propositions based on axioms and logical operators but the way we predominantly communicate is organically, conversation is in the immediate present so it's hard to maintain a dual function of revising your meaning and communicating within the reference frame (e.g 10 seconds before the person's short term memory dissipates.)

In the nature of INTPs using people as a soundboard for their ideas their language can become self-referential, that is skipping points that they assume to be self-evident by the other. So that's another communication problem too. I don't think you should really criticise people on efficiency, because language is often inherently unefficient, but if you don't get what the mean just tell them to explain again.

e_e I don't see what the problem is. I observed something I made a comment, that was useful to her. I'm dumb, most ppl aren't IQ 140+erudites, most ppl aren't English, haven't had the privilege of higher education in commonwealth territory and most ppl can't read in between what she skips out on explaining. I seriously doubt either of you engage in conversation using that kind of language with ppl IRL outside of academia. <.< they'd probably think you a are a snob if you do..

\o/ fine I'll try to be more considerate and use Fe..

 

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The way we communicate is intuitive and with each passing day we write 1000s of words into our keyboards, our thoughts do not have a filter and become a stream of consciousness rather than an academically, peer-reviewed posit. I think inefficiency can be said of any point really most can be reduced to atomic propositions based on axioms and logical operators but the way we predominantly communicate is organically, conversation is in the immediate present so it's hard to maintain a dual function of revising your meaning and communicating within the reference frame (e.g 10 seconds before the person's short term memory dissipates.)

In the nature of INTPs using people as a soundboard for their ideas their language can become self-referential, that is skipping points that they assume to be self-evident by the other. So that's another communication problem too. I don't think you should really criticise people on efficiency, because language is often inherently unefficient, but if you don't get what the mean just tell them to explain again.

e_e I don't see what the problem is. I observed something I made a comment, that was useful to her. I'm dumb, most ppl aren't IQ 140+erudites, most ppl aren't English, haven't had the privilege of higher education in commonwealth territory and most ppl can't read in between what she skips out on explaining. I seriously doubt either of you engage in conversation using that kind of language with ppl IRL outside of academia. <.< they'd probably think you a are a snob if you do..

\o/ fine I'll try to be more considerate and use Fe..

I just see a lot of people completely nullify a person's point by saying "I don't understand" or "that's inefficient". We have to understand that the person is using their own personal language which we have to interpret through our own. I didn't notice any snobish language, I mean a good example of a true snob that genuinely used language to dwarf people was this religious nutjob at harrow (public school in england, super upper class) with sentences like "I'm something of a sesquipedalian but I often floccinaucinihilipilificate the quantities thereof" sentences like that I can't truly believe they are legitimate uses of a person's vocabulary, he was a #iamverysmart guy.

I just think language can endlessly be refactored because it is itself inefficient, based on many shrewd abstractions. If I don't understand what someone says I'll just ask them to repeat, but I won't tell them their use of language is inefficient because it uses less known words, after all we're discussing a topic that's abstract and typically we use less common words to integrate a sub-language into that idea. We think categorically and often we associate particular words with a particular subject such as law, politics, science and philosophy. The end of a parliament is prorogation, yet everyone in the first instance of discovering that word had to look it up. Even though it just means an end to parliament, people still use the word because it fits the subject discussion of politics.

INTPs prospective element usually means they express half-developed ideas, which along with their ceaseless ideas they generate is like asking someone to remember what time they drunk a cup of water. There's a limited time frame for expressing ideas in other words, the person may have revised their thoughts 100 times from the time you have responded, so I think you should adapt to their use of language, at least in this circumstance because it's not that the syntactical meaning of the words is complex it's just their point is abstract.

We're nowhere near academics unfortunately.

 

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e_e I don't see what the problem is. I observed something I made a comment, that was useful to her. I'm dumb, most ppl aren't IQ 140+erudites, most ppl aren't English, haven't had the privilege of higher education in commonwealth territory and most ppl can't read in between what she skips out on explaining. I seriously doubt either of you engage in conversation using that kind of language with ppl IRL outside of academia. <.< they'd probably think you a are a snob if you do..

\o/ fine I'll try to be more considerate and use Fe..

Fair point, except the situation isn't real life, it's a bunch of people with the same personality type on a forum which is just endless expression of ideas. I'm sure she doesn't speak to people like this in real life either, not because it's artificial but we adapt to the constraints/importance of a topic to the people around us.

 

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My IQ is 9,001.