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Kokoro

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With a forum full of people that like both reading and technology, I am guessing that a few of you have some kind of portable e-book reader.

I have decided to buy an e-reader(with E ink) for a few reasons, the main ones:
- There are a lot of e-books on my computer, and the screen is burning a hole out of the back of my head.
- E-books are cheaper in the long run and can be pirated or otherwise acquired if the book is rare/hard to find.
- Books take up more space... space that I am running out of.

I am leaning towards the new third generation Kindle due the the price compared to the features. However, I am still researching. So, for those that own or have experience with e-readers, what are your personal pros and cons for them? What is your opinion on certain products?
 

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The newest kindle seems like a good choice, It's much cheaper than the iPad and the e ink is another plus. The kindle doesn't work well with pdfs I've heard and you're probably going to have to convert the books you found on the web to .mobi before you can use them on your kindle.

Compared to the nook and the Sony Reader the kindle is what I would buy.
 

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"- E-books are cheaper in the long run and can be pirated or otherwise acquired if the book is rare/hard to find."

Remember that somewhere near the beginning of this process there's a writer who needs to put food in his mouth. Fuck the corporate middlemen, keep the starving artist in mind. When you read a pirated book, you just took food out of that person's mouth. :)

PS All my books are now available on Kindle.
 

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"- E-books are cheaper in the long run and can be pirated or otherwise acquired if the book is rare/hard to find."

Remember that somewhere near the beginning of this process there's a writer who needs to put food in his mouth. Fuck the corporate middlemen, keep the starving artist in mind. When you read a pirated book, you just took food out of that person's mouth. :)

PS All my books are now available on Kindle.

thats a flimsy argument. you took food out of his mouth only if you would otherwise have purchased the book. the same goes for pirated music - take that metallica.
 

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The kindle doesn't work well with pdfs I've heard and you're probably going to have to convert the books you found on the web to .mobi before you can use them on your kindle.

Ya, the PDF support for the new Kindle is suppose to be improved, but when it comes down to it, one can only do so much with 6 inches. I've been experimenting with different converter software on my computer. The true test would be on the Kindle though, obviously.

Remember that somewhere near the beginning of this process there's a writer who needs to put food in his mouth. Fuck the corporate middlemen, keep the starving artist in mind. When you read a pirated book, you just took food out of that person's mouth. :)

Kinda dramatic, but I understand your point. Yes, in the context of the analogy, it is taking potential(for you snafupants) food from their mouth.

I guess that I should have stressed the "hard to find" section in my reasoning. I don't try to pirate every book possible. Sometimes I just can't find a book(still copyrighted) for sale or at the library. In this case, I hope that the author's sustenance is not dependent on my purchase, because I'm going to be pirating it. I would guess/hope that such authors would be more glad that they were able to convey their ideas to me over receiving a fraction of my payment.;)
 

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thats a flimsy argument. you took food out of his mouth only if you would otherwise have purchased the book. the same goes for pirated music - take that metallica.

Indeed. But let's not forget that there's no reason for books to cost as much as they do. And how much of that money does the starving author get? 10%? Where does the rest of it go? To the fat cat publishers who are anything but hard-up and didn't even create the book in the first place. And by the way, what happens when the author is dead? Even more money for people who didn't write the book.
 

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And by the way, the authors who are starving are starving not because people are pirating their books. They're starving because fat cat publishers won't publish their books.
 

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Remember that somewhere near the beginning of this process there's a writer who needs to put food in his mouth. Fuck the corporate middlemen, keep the starving artist in mind. When you read a pirated book, you just took food out of that person's mouth. :)

And what about public libraries? :confused:
 

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E1 does bring up and interesting point. Most mainstream authors get around 20% of the total profit off of their book sales. Traditionally a lot of that profit went into the actual physical production of the book. If the book is placed into a digital format the physical productions costs drop dramatically. Now, I'm certain many of the big publishing companies will find a way of keeping this profit for themselves it would be nice if a bit more went to the authors.

I actually sell these at the place I work:

Software wise and electronics wise the new Kindle is tough to beat. It's cheaper than earlier versions which is nice but it's still more expensive then the comparable Sony E-Reader at the moment. Plus it is important to keep in mind that you have to pay for a subscription with Amazon on top of the price of the e-books themselves. The E-INK is vastly improved and the PDF is also vastly improved. In the earlier edition's the PDF reader seemed more like an after thought than an actual feature. This new Kindle is not tethered which is something it has over almost everything out on the market currently. Though this will probably change in the next couple of years. It also has a beta internet browser which is what makes it the most tempting for me.

However, the cons include the fact that while the E-INK is better there is still a lag in page turning. It's a little frustrating to have a loading screen just so you can turn the page. The positive side of E-INK is that it uses much less battery than the LCD screens. However, E-INK has no back-light so you'll still have to use a flashlight when reading under the covers and you can not use any sort of video or moving cursor on an E-INK display. LCD isn't much better though because it sucks down a lot of battery power and it's just plain harsh on the eyes. Either way you have problems. I'm hoping something better than these two options will be coming along soon.

The new Kindle is a half step better than the Kobo, Nook, and the Cruz readers but you will pay for this half step. While those other three e-readers will allow you to download e-books from the e-book station at your nearest library the Kindle will not.

Frankly, I think you should get the Kindle if you really want an e-reader but I'm holding out for one more generation. That or something better from a different e-reader provider. By then internet browsers will have the kinks ironed out. Prices will be more affordable. Hopefully by then people will have figured out how to mod them make them work more organically with one another.
 

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Thanks, Cavallier, very helpful post. I'm confused about your comment on needing a subscription with Amazon, though. The subscription options and international fees, I'm familiar with. However, I am of the understanding that, other than convenience services(such as email conversion), there are no additional charges after the product purchase and e-book purchases. Is this incorrect?

Ya, more mods would be nice, and they're bound to start popping up more as the readers become more popular. No matter what I get, I'll definitely be hacking away at it from the get-go.
:matrix:
 

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*does a little more research* Ah, you are right about the subscription. You used to have to pay for a subscription in order to buy kindle books but now you don't have too. (The theory was that if you paid a yearly subscription they could provide you with ebooks for cheaper but people didn't like that much.) However, I think you still have to get all your ebooks from amazon. Although, I know there are a few legitimate and a few non legitimate programs you can download that will allow you to read ebooks from sources other than Amazon for your Kindle. This is not unlike having an Ipod vs a Zune. The Zune can play any mp3 but the ipod only plays itunes. This was frustrating for a while but eventually they developed a program that let you convert mp3s to a format the Ipod would accept. I want ereaders to be a little more standardized before I get one. One more generation (maybe in the next year) and I'll probably get one.
 

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Heard about the kindle for a long time, but wow, checking it out now really made me wanna buy it.
I have considered ipad, but I really have no use for it as I could just well read from my laptop. Kindle seems like the better option.how is it on the eyes in comparison?
 

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Heard about the kindle for a long time, but wow, checking it out now really made me wanna by it.
I have considered ipad, but I really have no use for it as I could just well read from my laptop. Kindle seems like the better option.how is it on the eyes in comparison?

iPad uses an LED screen and the kindle is e-ink.

Buying an iPad for an e-reader is overkill, I would get a kindle if you're reading for over an hour. I've read books on my netbook which is matte LCD and it gets tiring after awhile.
 

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I actually just bought a Nook 3g today. I'm aware that it is in some ways inferior to the Kindle 3, but it runs on Google's Android platform, and is therefore much easier to hack. That was the selling point for me, once I void the warranty I'll let you know how it works out.
 

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So, I ended up purchasing the third generation Kindle and I am glad that I did. I've had it for a little under a month now. I don't remember the last time I was this happy with one of my "toys." It's actually better than I was expecting, and the downfalls that I have found so far have either been negligible or a workaround has been found.

A few thoughts from a e-reader greenhorn (read with caution):

The Good

The quality is what I expected for such a price. I accidentally dropped it on a wood floor, which has had no ill-effects. I have not felt limited by the keyboard yet; it is fairly intuitive. There are shortcuts(some only found through community posts) to make up for any lack of keys. It is easy to only press the intended key with average sized hands; however, the keys are small enough to make the Kindle not accessible for your grandma with Parkinson's. The display is excellent. I'm amazed at how small I can read words or view small details in images. E ink is awesome.

The Bad

On the negative side, while there are enough customisation options for reading, there are some additional things that can't be customised which could easily be made customisable. Fortunately, there is a well-made hack out there that allows you to add/remove your own screen savers and supply your own fonts. The Kindle only supports a small number of formats; however, it is easy to get what you need due to there being so many ways to convert from and to any format out there. My main gripe is that books can be organised by collections, but not sub-collections or anything beyond just one layer of any-named folders. Poor show, Amazon, poor show. But, as I said, such things have been negligible so far. It's made for reading and it does that very well.

The Beautiful

The extra features, experimental or otherwise, have been the icing on the cake.
- I haven't had a PDF that was difficult to navigate and view yet.
- The browser works great. Plus, access to EDGE/GPRS and 3G are free(paid by amazon) for the foreseeable future, and free Wi-Fi is becoming more prevalent.
- I find that the speakers for mp3s are surprisingly good. Obviously, I won't be listening to dubstep, but some genres, such as classical, sound pretty good. Having said that, if you have some decent headphones, then the speakers are inessential.
- The image viewer makes reading manga, with the help of an extra program, easy enough. You can zoom in if you need to, but fullscreen allows for enough detail to not need to, most of the time.
- The built in not-so-well-advertised games of Mine Sweeper and GoMoku are a nice touch.

Any questions, just ask. Although, you can find pretty much anything that you would want to know about the Kindle elsewhere on the net.

However, the cons include the fact that while the E-INK is better there is still a lag in page turning. It's a little frustrating to have a loading screen just so you can turn the page.

Just want to comment on this. Yes, the screen has to refresh on every page turn, but it is so fast(less than a second) that I would be surprised if it is actually an issue for anyone. Furthermore, for any small-to-moderate changes within the screen, it just changes, no refresh.
 
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I recently bought a Kindle 3 and so far been reading free ebooks from Amazon and other books off the Internet, including some from freebookspot.me and feedbooks.com. I highly recommend this device to anyone, because it can hold a lot of books on it. A word of advice, go for the one that doesn't have Free 3G on it because it's cheaper and there's no real benefit to having free 3G, at least as far as I can tell.
 

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In the USA, free 3G = roaming Wikipedia, Amazon store etc. It's not so great if you don't live in North America though.
 

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I read avidly. I've had a kindle since they first came out
and I have yet to use it :x
It was a gift. An extravagant gift and just seeing it makes
me uncomfortable.

I prefer used books. Something with substance.
 
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