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Does charity accomplish what it means to?

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Does charity accomplish what it purports to do? For example, does a charity that "helps the poor", is it really helping the poor? Does Mother Theresas "hospitals" for the "sick and poor" actually help the sick? What about the Bill Gates foundation, he might be an INTP, is he actually helping third world children? First some preliminaries ...

All charities are organizations with people getting paid. They seem to be started by Liberal Arts majors who are making a job for themselves. As an aside, be wary of ex Liberal Arts majors as you grow up. They are all around you trying to create some program to teach your kids this or that, or give you some kind of 'education', whereas it's really their career in disguise. But a not insubstantial part of the revenue stream is used to pay for a bureaucratic organization. Usually well paid, and oftentimes you'll find corruption. Take that as a given and forget about it, as it's an aside to whether Charity is actually useful or not. A necessary evil.

Why do people give to charity? I believe in Heinlein's concept of "Enlightened self interest", which is that people give because it gives them something in return. I believe 99% (or some high number) of human behavior is motivated this way, and that "selfless giving" basically doesn't exist. In the case of charity people obviously get a self induced good feeling, and a nice tax write off (in the US at least).

So, the core question is that do charities actually accomplish what they intend? I think the answer is that no, they do not. I'd posit that they do accomplish something, but it's rarely what they mean.

Let's start with a famous example to give you some food for thought.

Mother Theresa

From a personal standpoint then I have two issues with charity. One is as I mention, which is that whether charity actually can accomplish what it tries to do. Can giving food to the poor, week after week, pull them out of poverty? Again it accomplishes something, the poor are getting fed, but will it fundamentally improve their condition?

Two, for me giving is too cheap. It's too easy, I throw some money at a charity, can get a buzz for being a good guy (assuaging my 1st world guilt), get a tax writeoff, and hand it off to somebody else to solve. I'd much rather give my personal time and effort - that is the real cost, and would be real and meaningful engagement, but the problem is I'm too poor. I can't afford to give my time, and it's not a good use of my value anyhow. I can give much more back to human kind by doing what I do, rather than helping people individually.

So personally, I don't give anything to charity, except personal possessions that we want to get rid of because it's convenient and we get a tax write off. I don't count it as charity, but it's that I'd rather do that then spend the time on eBay.
 

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Try to visit one sometimes rather than preach from a privileged position. I'm pretty sure there are some kids here that are better off behind four walls rather than being killed, raped or used as income generators on the streets. I think TA had a glimpse of what children are dealing with here in our country.

Giving to charity isn't simply putting some coins on someone else's pocket. You should also spend some time with these people, know their aspirations, and actually think of them as humans. I've read about cases about families being thrown out of a powerful family's land yet survived and established their own legally owned homes with some help from charitable institutions. I've visited them within their proudly built homes and I must say they've done well.

I have to agree though that throwing money and food at the problem won't make it go away. Without going to details I think the best way of helping the poor is to equip them with the right tools and resources and let them help themselves. It take years of help before dramatic improvements can be seen.
 

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I donated to an animal charity once and ever since then, they've bombarded me with junk mail every 2 weeks to try and donate more. It upset me greatly that they would spend their resources like that and that experience put me off from giving any more money to charitable organizations. The only thing I will donate to nowadays is the red cross during some world disaster, otherwise I feel the money just gets squandered and never quite reach the source where it was intended.
 

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I have very similar views as the OP about charitable organizations. I can't see just throwing money at a problem, and the very handsome living some people make in charitable organizations. I'm suspicious. But, I also believe in helping people who have had a sudden falling out, get back on their feet. And I do believe that there is merit in teaching people how to help themselves. But not charity to create dependency and job security. There are worthwhile programs to me like "operation smile" which will increase the chance of some children to have a better future. And sometimes charity can help eleaviate a little pain and suffering, even if just for a day. Some people get a rush out of doing that. If I'm in the mood, I will do such things.
 

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I'd rather build something with them than give them money.
 

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I'd rather build something with them than give them money.

Bingo! :D Just like with many things in life. Things become more effective and efficient if you get rid of the middleman.
 

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Empathy is only one of versions of egoism. So there does not exist any noble purposes to help poor people.

Personally, I think everyone should care of yourself.
 

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Charity is good, but the feeling of accomplishment that goes with charity is too easily achieved by many. As has already been said, if you want something done you need to take a personal interest, not just unthinkingly delegate a small portion of disposable income. I think we need to stop people respecting token charity offerings, maybe even point the finger at people that perpetuate the charity (mis)trickle system.

+1 for young Hitch

+1 for beware of arts majors trying to force purpose behind their careers.
 

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Empathy is only one of versions of egoism. So there does not exist any noble purposes to help poor people.

Personally, I think everyone should care of yourself.

But everyone does not get to care of yourself on equal terms. If you were born in a poor country where you'd receive nothing you'd have to care a lot more of yourself than if you were born in a rich one.

Personally, I think everyone should care of yourself when they get to do it on terms that aren't absurdly unfair.
 

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But everyone does not get to care of yourself on equal terms. If you were born in a poor country where you'd receive nothing you'd have to care a lot more of yourself than if you were born in a rich one.

Personally, I think everyone should care of yourself when they get to do it on terms that aren't absurdly unfair.

Maybe someone say I'm psychopath, but I think in the world there is too many people. People should not do children if they can't provide them everything what they could need.
 

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Maybe someone say I'm psychopath, but I think in the world there is too many people. People should not do children if they can't provide them everything what they could need.

They should not, but they do. Especially in poor countries without education.
 

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Architect, it sounds like you are assuming you know what charity means to do. There might be many reasons for setting up a charity. A single charity might have more than one purpose, and some purposes are more common than others. And please note that I don't necessarily like all of these reasons.

  • Helping people get enough food, shelter, education, etc. when those needs are otherwise unmet
  • Helping people achieve means to get their needs met by themselves - empowering
  • Bringing communities together
  • Making people feel good for helping others
  • Accomplishing a single purpose, like giving a community access to fresh water
  • Making people aware of problems that need addressing
  • Getting a mailing list of people who give to certain charities, and selling it
  • Fulfilling a requirement of a religion
  • Scamming people out of money

I am sure there are other things a charity might accomplish. I have spent time researching the charities I support, for exactly this reason. I have my own goals, and I need a charity that matches those goals and carries them out successfully.

But making a blanket statement about all charities, given the vast universe of charities in the world, seems like a losing strategy.

I didn't watch the thing about Mother Teresa, but I expect I have already heard it all. I don't support her.
 

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Architect, it sounds like you are assuming you know what charity means to do. There might be many reasons for setting up a charity. A single charity might have more than one purpose, and some purposes are more common than others. And please note that I don't necessarily like all of these reasons.

  • Helping people get enough food, shelter, education, etc. when those needs are otherwise unmet
  • Helping people achieve means to get their needs met by themselves - empowering
  • Bringing communities together
  • Making people feel good for helping others
  • Accomplishing a single purpose, like giving a community access to fresh water
  • Making people aware of problems that need addressing
  • Getting a mailing list of people who give to certain charities, and selling it
  • Fulfilling a requirement of a religion
  • Scamming people out of money

I am sure there are other things a charity might accomplish. I have spent time researching the charities I support, for exactly this reason. I have my own goals, and I need a charity that matches those goals and carries them out successfully.

But making a blanket statement about all charities, given the vast universe of charities in the world, seems like a losing strategy.

I didn't watch the thing about Mother Teresa, but I expect I have already heard it all. I don't support her.

Agreed.

It just seems too convenient as a privileged Western to simply disregard all charities on the basis of a few bad cases. Not only do you get to keep your own money but you also get to feel good about yourself - again, how convenient.

It's the Will To Power, people who give to charity get to look down on those who don't and vice versa. Everyone gets to feel morally superior.

It's probably not black and white. It is possible that there are some charities that genuinely make a difference to those less privileged.
 

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Agreed.

It just seems too convenient as a privileged Western to simply disregard all charities on the basis of a few bad cases. Not only do you get to keep your own money but you also get to feel good about yourself - again, how convenient.

It's the Will To Power, people who give to charity get to look down on those who don't and vice versa. Everyone gets to feel morally superior.

Well put. I guess I'll have to stop sneering at all those people who don't do what I do. :)

It's probably not black and white. It is possible that there are some charities that genuinely make a difference to those less privileged.

I know for a fact that there are charities that make a difference. I like my small local ones, but big ones like the Red Cross is unquestionably helpful in an emergency.

While I agree that it is wonderful to donate your time, if you can, some people can't or would rather not. I don't see a problem with some people contributing money, others putting in time, and still others providing material goods. Looking down on the people who "only" donate money seems unhelpful.

But if you are going to donate money, I think you have to consider it an investment. Instead of returns of money, your "profit" is to support research or build roads or fight human trafficking or whatever. Put in as much effort researching a non-profit that you are investing in as you would a publicly traded company giving you dividends.

And then go ahead and feel good that you did. There is nothing wrong with being happy that you made a difference.
 

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Architect, I like the foundation of your conclusion on charities (which was quickly refuted by the blaringly popular responses in support of a more precise conclusion form you) and further like your posing of an issue with enough general precision so as to afford this group plenty of room for conversation. I agree, indeed it is a relatively necessary evil. Here's where the fun for the U.S. comes in: if you can turn an entire Society, into a charity full of (the majority) charity cases, the person that will quickly be elevated to power over this society is the prized Robin Hood villain from storybooks. By turning an entire society of people into his charity, he also directed their steps; his ultimate form of thievery. There is something that appears to become debased in the human spirit when "charity" is profoundly presented to the recipient as "charity". :evil:
 

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For the most part I agree with the op. However, most people involve themselves in it as a way to feel better about themselves, or more empowered, as opposed to assisting 'the cause'.

I learned forever ago that sending any money to these big organizations will result in them spending all of it plus some to extract more from me. If I give it's in a way they don't get my name or address.

I'm now against Brest Cancer Awareness. It has become the gorilla & octupus of politics with little of the money going to 'the cure'. And it steals the light away from other very important and underfunded causes.

All that being said I have no problem either paying forward (or back). I donate blood. Somebody(s) did it for me once, I am happy to return the gesture to lifes pool. I always support the fire department. Yes, they may be loaded with ISTP's that are distainful of how they are driven to help, but so what. If they're to go into a fire, and I may have need of them some day, I'm happy to support them here and there. I also support a wild life rehab, relase program. It's very well run both in terms of funding and time donation.

And so on.
 

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There is Cancer Research UK charity and organisation. Basically, the ceo gets 100k pounds a year of salary and they do not endorse cannabis oil as a cure for cancer even though there are 20k people on FB group who share tons and tons of stories that they are cured. I know many people who discontinued donating to this organisation when they found out their stance on some natural therapies, genetic therapies and natural healing. There is no need to research for cancer anymore. There is a need to legalize the medicine. I will believe thousands of testimonies over some organisation saying that cannabis is quack-science and does not work. I can link those idiots to 20+ studies that shown cannabis kills cancer cells without side effects. Beat that chemo!
 

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Don't speak to me about Teresa. I know enough.

Her organization is amongst the best funded charities in the world. Many people leave their inheritance to them, Often these include gold wedding rings and other items that can be sold.

They pay no taxes, because the IRS doesn't dare to demand. Not in all countries charities don't have to pay taxes...

Teresa is known to have said that "Pain is a blessing from the Lord". And that therefore the sick and dying got no pain medication or any sort of relief in their dying moments. With hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank, she would not buy or arrange to give the dying that relief.

She was a cold hearted bloody bitch and I curse her name. If only god could raise her from the dead, so I could shoot her in the throat. This sort of person is why I despise organized patriarchal dogmatic hierarchical religion. And they made her a fuckin' saint!

And even the most recent popes are made saint now! These were not saints, just demented old bastards. It is just an advertising stunt.

People who allow others to die in the most miserable circumstances in great pain, that have enough funding to actually avoid these hell pits of the dying should be eliminated from history and I think Teresa's organization should be made illegal.
 
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