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Does anyone else thinks that collectors/fans are goofy?

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I was looking for a documentary and found something called "trekkies," which is about Star Trek. Almost everybody in that documentary is acting... oddly idiotic. Does anyone else share my opinion, or is it just me against such... collectors, and... fans. I find most of their actions real dumb.
 

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I consider myself a Trekkie, but I don't do anything other than watch the shows. I used to have a friend who would wear a Trekkie uniform and listen to the sound tracks and whatnot, harmless but yeah seemed a little silly.

On the other hand I collect technology - or rather i have a collection of it. I have a ton of devices and computers. People think it's odd to have so many computers. The difference between me and a collector perhaps is that I'm not trying to collect, but I collect because I like trying different gadgets.

I think it's neat in a way when people become serious collectors and fans, and while I do it in a small way I don't see it as a productive way to live your life. It is a fun pastime though, and easy to get addicted.
 

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I don't think watching the show means you're a trekkie, that does not make sense.

I see it as a focused form of hoarding. Using your technology, on the other hand, is different, which as I understand is your case, as well as my would be if I'd money. Right now, I can't even buy part replacement for my 5-year-old PC, gotta use this 10 or 11-year-old one.
 

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Many people think Trekkies (or Trekkers as some people insist) are losers or something. It's just fun. I love Star Trek (except for the show Enterprise, sorry Scott Bakula). I have a set of Star Trek collectible plates and a bunch of little starship models from the show, which were gifts from some wonderful people.

I also collect old atlases and text books. I love seeing how the world has changed and progressed.

If that isn't your thing, then yes, it looks stupid. To me, sitting on a couch all weekend watching sports looks stupid, but many people enjoy that. To each his own.

Now I haven't seen that documentary, but anyone can be made to look idiotic with careful editing. I am guessing that the documentary makers had a bit of an agenda to show what misfits these people are, and they succeeded.
 

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I see there is a big Trek convention coming up in London. All sorts of the old players will be there, the big ones like William Shatner and Patrick Stewart, and also many of the smaller players like Chase Masterson, Martha Hackett etc. You can get your picture taken with them for a price.The most expensive (William Shatner) is £40, the lesser characters are more around £15*. I wonder how they feel about that? I wonder if I'd feel bad about making so much less for a photo shoot with fans. Anyhow I certainly wouldn't pay to have my picture taken with one of them, it just seems so contrived and fake, I'd be embarrassed to put that picture up. I would get a kick out of going, mainly to just hear them talk about their time on Star Trek, but probably wouldn't get around to signing up even if it was close.

At any rate I am interested in the Star Trek universe, and I would like to find the time to study more about it and read some of the books. From having watched every single episode now, often 2 or 3 times I think I've become pretty knowledgeable about the Canon. This would probably be viewed as goofy by a lot of people but I could care less.

So now I don't think we should make fun of fans, if it wasn't for them Star Trek wouldn't have had the longevity that it has.

* And Scott Bakula (Enterprise) is £30 while Avery Brooks (DS9) and Kate Mulgrew (Voyager) are £25? What the hell, Kate was the only to become an Admiral on the show, and while I like Bakula they all should be £30 AFAIK. The Borg Queen is only £15, and you can be with Martok & Gowron in costume for £45 - that might be cool.
 

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fantasy is a way for smart people to escape from the stupidity of conformism on the one hand and conscious moral corruption on the other hand. in that sense it's a superior paradigm, compared to the mundane reality of the productive society. it's goofy in how it hasn't discovered a way of bringing it's qualities to the real world, in contrast to the society of cultural creatives

i was a trekkie and later an otaku (anime fan, akira mostly) when i didn't see a possibility of bringing my spirit to the real world. i had just given up and i believed that there is no other way but living the total mind-split: playing along with society, on the lowest thus least corrupt level possible, to earn some money, then spend it all on fantasy. what a horribly sad perspective, but at least it kept my soul alive and saved me from total corruption until i found a better philosophy. my next philosophy was punk-rock. now that sounds like a weid progression. there seems to be nothing in it, and i certainly didn't care about alcohol. how is punk better than the richness of the idealistic trekkie world? but punkrock is just an excuse for total emancipation, which precedes authentic earthening of your own qualities. face the facts. there is no society to take you in like a starfleet academy, because this present society isn't ready and it only offers a training in corruption. so you have to face the hard reality of how you are alone, like a starfleet ensign who crushed on some shitty planet. then you have to come up with your own dreams, dreams that fit into this situation. you decide to become independent of consuming prepackaged dreams and that is freedom. but you are that punk-ensing of neverland.

it's interesting how star treck itself evolved along the same pattern. it started out as the cowboy land (the original series), an analogy of how smart people go through elementary school, then it became the big rational-conformistic family religion of the next generation, in analogy to a better than life high-school or college, then it became dirty and real as it began to split into the pluralism of deep space nine. shit just got real, as we were standing in front of our shadow (the third world) but we were still mostly confident about our identity, let aside some problems with rebels. then things got quite a little shaky in the head, in voyager and finally the independent existential punk psychosis of Farscape was unstoppable. you are the atman, the wormhole technology is hidden in your own head. of course not everyone was willing to go there yet. they reincarnated into the good old ways once more time: enterprise (2001) ... only to run into another existential psychosis immediately. wake up neo
 

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I see nothing wrong with watching TV shows/movies a few times, I watched quite a few a few times myself, and yet I don't consider myself a fan, I don't make (often dumb) references to them, I don't dress up or act like the characters in them, I wouldn't pay 50 bucks for a glass of water that an actor drank from, I wouldn't learn surreal languages, I wouldn't buy lots of shit and put it in a box, hell I wouldn't even buy a single figurine and put it on my desk for extra clutter, and I certainly wouldn't ask one of the actors how it feels to be transported... :D
 

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The Borg Queen :borg:

...huh? :confused:

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First showed up in, I think, the last NG movie (I don't like the movies), and then the latter seasons of Voyager.
 

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I love being a scifi/fantasy geek. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, X-Files, Harry Potter , MST3K, Red Dwarf - bring it on. I've been to a few conventions back in the day, there were so many when I was growing up. WorldCon in 1984 was especially memorable.

For me it's about experiences instead of stuff. I don't collect anything (except a certain china pattern but that's another story). I love exploring these fascinatingly detailed universes created in someone else's mind and made external in a book or film. I like sitting in a theater full of fans watching a movie for the billionth time because it's interactive: we all know what's going on on the screen so the show becomes about what the audience is doing. I like waiting in line until midnight on opening night for something new because the people are always interesting and watching the process unfold is wonderful. For example, at the opening of Phantom Menace I noticed this tall guy in line who had a perfect Darth Maul costume. Horns, contacts - everything. He looked downright intimidating. He ended up sitting in front of me in the theater where I discovered he was actually chaperoning a bunch of kids. He stood up and took drink and food orders for his group before disappearing back into the crowd. "You want what? You want some ice cream? Whaddaya want, those little vanilla things in chocolate, what are those called? Bonbons? Really? Susan, get your shoe out of your mouth. How many popcorns? Four smalls?"

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That little scene turned out to be better than the whole film. :D

I'd never approach a celeb - that's distasteful to me as a native Angeleno - and frankly the actors are less interesting to me than the characters. I love costumes although I only have a few of my own and they're Halloween- and student-film-related. However, I've always wanted a NextGen uniform. Some day I might get around to that.
 

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I like sitting in a theater full of fans watching a movie for the billionth time because it's interactive: we all know what's going on on the screen so the show becomes about what the audience is doing. I like waiting in line until midnight on opening night for something new because the people are always interesting and watching the process unfold is wonderful.

That sounds horribly boring. I hate lines and I prefer a movie on my PC screen over the cinema, no possible arguments on this topic for me. I prefer comfort.

I do agree though, that observing the people might be interesting, but paying money for that and getting tortured in lines, being forced to watch "the other crowd," the casual idiots, sitting with other people in a small chair with food you picked from the limited choices which costs double what it should with no table and two fat fucks on both sides along with a tall asshole in front of you. Hell no. No cinema for me.
 

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I love being a scifi/fantasy geek. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, X-Files, Harry Potter , MST3K, Red Dwarf

Yes, except I'm such a LOTR geek, having first read it as a pre-teen and now having read it probably 75 times, I can't stand the movies. They are so well done, but since I've got the books memorized (I can't read them anymore because my mind wanders, I know them so well) the two just don't go together.

I did enjoy watching the official video blog for The Hobbit, though I'm sure I won't be seeing it.
 

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Why not Enterprise?

And yes, that's possibly true. The majority of the fans might not be so stupidly crazy.

During the first season, the Vulcan character (I forget her name) said that there was nothing scientifically interesting on a class M planet, and saw no point in going there. This stretched my suspension of disbelief a bit too far, and I kind of wandered off. But the decontamination scene was pretty hot.

Nanook, I love the word "earthening." That was new to me. It is so evocative.

And for everyone who does love Star Trek, may I recommend John Scalzi's entertaining and surprisingly philosophical novel Redshirts (links are to the right of the page)? It does not take place in the Star Trek universe, but the title does mean what you think it does.
 

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Redshirts puts Soviets in my mind. I don't think it means that. :D

Well, I did say people who love Star Trek. From your opening post in this thread, I guess that isn't you.

In Star Trek, the main characters often left the ship with a character we hadn't seen before, or not much. That character would die, often before the first commercial, to show how dangerous the situation was. They were almost always wearing a red tunic. It was so consistent that television writers and science fiction fandom now use the term "redshirt" to mean someone introduced for the sole purpose of dying dramatically.

I thought everyone knew that, but, you know, Trekkie.
 

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Nanook, I love the word "earthening." That was new to me. It is so evocative.
it's commonly used in my/german language. erde=earth, erden=verb. i just translated it literally. the proper english translation would be grounding, or so says my dictionary.

in therapy it means being a whole, joining mind (ideas) with embodied cognition, such as immediate perception. being creative and realistic at the same time, instead of being psychotic or dissociative.
 
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