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Do you (INTP) find other INTPs to be weird?

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Have you met other INTPs in real life? Did you think they were weird or at least a bit off? Please only share real life experiences, not interactions with people through this forum (unless you happened to meet in real life also).

No need to point out subtleties, spectrums, gradients, distributions, propensity, etc etc. It's a complex idea/problem but I'm just looking for people's non-scientific opinions/stories.


(YOU CAN SKIP THE BELOW UNLESS YOU'RE CURIOUS. It's likely what most people are already assuming)
BACKGROUND: An acquaintance/friend recently took the MBTI test and discovered he was an INTP. I always felt the guy was a bit off and others seemed to react to him in the same way. Anyway, my premium sample size of 1 led me to wonder if I came off in a similar weird way. I've always been treated as a bit eccentric, but my wonderful charm tends to override people's judgement of this.
I read a few threads on this site about people complaining about being called weird in real life. They and everyone else posting seemed like perfectly wonderful, normal human beings from their posts. However, I don't think it gives you strong enough insight as to their actions in the real world and how those actions are interpreted.
Anyway, I feel there's at least a vague consensus of how others interpret INTP actions, but I'd really like to know what INTPs think of other INTPs (Do weirdos hate the weird?).


I apologize in advance if this offends anyone. Thanks.
 

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There are weirdos within every type.
 

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I know a INTP his age is 50 something, he is quiet, but he seems normal. He doesn't make jokes much but when he does it is perfectly timed.
 

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My son is INTP, I've learned a lot from him on being INTP that I've forgotten over the years.

In other news I've noticed that others find me a bit off and weird as you said about your friend. I've heard it many times over the years.
 

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I don't know about other INTPs as I don't know that I've ever met another for sure, but I've been told that I appear somewhat eccentric, but it's all harmless.
 

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Yeah, other INTPs always feel weird to me, but then I realize I'm probably just the same.
I never really know what to expect from them, and they always make weird jokes and occasionally have weird emotional outbursts. I have about 3 INTP friends, most other fairly close friends are something close to INTP like ENTP, INTJ, stuff like that.
It makes me sad that others feel the same weird feeling with me. But oh well...

You can pick out the INTPs in my friend circle fairly easily by their clumsy, weird way of moving their body(kind of twitchy, nervousy, like they aren't fully in control/comfortable inside their body) and their awkward 'sudden' overdone smiles they have learned they should use in certain situations ahah. I have also found most of them have pretty broad ranges of grades, like getting F's to A++'s randomly all the time. And uhmmm... Yeah, most aren't in the 'popular' subculture in school, but most seem pretty popular with all the other weirdo's in school who don't really fit in with any other group.

On a side note: A few 'popular people' at my school seem to regard me as their little brother or so, and are often like 'Nah it's okay, it happens to everyone occasionally', and they ask me how it's going and such. It's really strange. It makes me feel kind of inferior, but I also feel they don't behave this way to make me feel inferior or something. But then again, I can tell I kind of weird them out... Maybe they're just trying to get a hold of me or something.
 

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I have not met an INTP in real life, my closest friend is an ISFJ and I get along well with another guy who's an ISTJ. So I cannot post here. Yet, I am posting this to show tell you that I don't think your thread will go very far, not unless you let us post our opinions on the people we've met on the forum. I doubt I'm unique case in terms of having met another INTP in real life..

And also because I wanted to ask why you are "apologizing in advanced"? What should we be offended about? :confused:
 

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Generally I don't take anyone to be weird. I seem to be losing my ability to judge by intuition with the help of good old emotions that are slowly being dealt with by logic.
This view on everyone not being weird can be caused by internet because of all the crazy crap and stuff I've seen. Never mind me just a broken glass talking weirdly...
 

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INTPs are never excited about something..

they best you can get is: "hmm interesting, what you say seems sound"

(instead of dismissing your idea immediately as usual)


we also all have other interests, even though we are similar types.

btw I am ENTP, i have recently found out
 

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INTPs are never excited about something..

they best you can get is: "hmm interesting, what you say seems sound"

(instead of dismissing your idea immediately as usual)

we also all have other interests, even though we are similar types.

btw I am ENTP, i have recently found out


INTPs get plenty excited about things that are worth excitement. My INTP friends and I will jump up and down and squeal--not over boys, but over dinosaur cookie cutters (or some other small inside joke). Just because we're not bubbling over with glee at everything people do doesn't mean we don't get excited.

And sometimes we are feeling a huge amount of emotion but just aren't showing it. We leap for joy inside our minds.
 

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Yes, I did meet one guy a few years ago. He was a bit strange to me, until I thought about his thinking and actions. I found out that the difference between us was that he expresses what he thinks and I keep it to myself when in public places, most of the time.
But even after realizing that he seemed a bit odd to me.
 

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Yes, and the closer you get the weirder they are. Even old mature one.
Younger ones (20+) were either innocent or really cold. But they became totally childish when in group of close xntp friends.
I guess that when we don’t have to follow any rules or try to hide ourselves from others, we lose every drop of common sense.
But don’t let the SJ read this :o
 

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I will admit to this. I have maybe one person I'm close enough with to do this but I definitely get kind of childish around them sometimes.
 

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No, the INTPs that I've met in person aren't weird. They infact give me hope in this dark dreadful life. I love the fact that we are able to understand each other without uttering words. I have really pleasant conversations with them actually.
 

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You guys know they're INTPs or are you guessing their type? I only know 3 persons who know their type and they only know it because I suggested them to take the test.

Anyway, my father is INTP. He's not wierd, he's just more into reading and studying than most people. I'm not really close to him btw
 

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My brother is, and my friend, and they also took the test several times.
 

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On a side note: A few 'popular people' at my school seem to regard me as their little brother or so, and are often like 'Nah it's okay, it happens to everyone occasionally', and they ask me how it's going and such. It's really strange. It makes me feel kind of inferior, but I also feel they don't behave this way to make me feel inferior or something. But then again, I can tell I kind of weird them out... Maybe they're just trying to get a hold of me or something.

Well, I'm glad that's not just me. I figured it arose from pity and the assumption that I was harmless.

I have some difficulty telling type, but there isn't anyone in my immediate group of friends I would peg as intp. Some classmates, maybe, but our interactions involve little more than strange non-sequiturs about spaghettification. They do appear rather out-of-place, but I'm sure there are many intps who fly under my radar as they've learned to mask social awkwardness.
 

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Heck yes! Originality!

"You are laughing on me, because I am weird. I am laughing on you, because you are all the same!" :D

What to say? Finally I have met another INTP. And what can I say? When you want to understand him, you understand. But what if you don't want? You will just say "Weeirrdooo". When somebody else wanted to introduce him to us (We were some random group of people), he said something like "His humor is pretty weird", before that INTP entered room. Nice to see, how others see us. But it's a pity that I haven't found any INTP at my class (even when one seems to me like INTP, behaves like one, except that he is too extrovertic for it). I would just ask "What do you think about [Name of INTP here]?"

That is all I want to say here.
 

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Not weird or off in an unpleasant way. There was more attraction than repulsion - like recognising kin. I wouldn't describe them as 'weird', because they don't have a repulsive or particularly unconventional flavour to me. But I do sometimes like to mix the intestinal soup with the flesh, which can be a little funny for the tastebuds.

^I don't make jokes like that irl, which probably accounts for my escaping the 'repulsive weird' label, and getting more of the 'appreciative weird/slap on the back' stuff. But I do get flak sometimes for being too abstract, or too conceptual, or too serious/intense, or too 'smart'. I try hard to avoid that but I often don't even realise I'm doing it till someone labels me off-hand to someone else as really intelligent, or intellectual, etc. I'm honestly amazed at the spectrum of humanity. I just assumed everyone else tried to work their lives and heads out by thinking and talking about it, but apparently this is really uncommon. Most people do it by feel, or are satisfied with some rudimentary rumination, or just don't care at all and go along with whatever happens (Se doms?). I'm not that abstract, have very little imagination and generally prefer levity to seriousness. So considering there are many levels above me, the fact that I'm considered alien by otherwise normal (ok, they're so normal they're weird, but whatever) people is pretty strange for me and suggests that the ladder I'm on is way, way longer than I'd thought.

Somewhat related:
How aware of you, and how accurate are you, in determining what others think of you? Considering Fe is used to influence AND read social dynamics, and it's our lowest function, I wonder if a lot of the time we simply don't do as well as others with this and either try to Ti it out (as opposed to just sort of knowing intuitively, the way I think Fe doms do) and end up overanalysing, or it doesn't register on our radar at all. [I imagine the former are a slightly more mature model; they're just not very good at what they're trying to do. At least they've recognised the deficit though.]

Similar reasons for asking as the OP. We'll generally be aware of our own reactions to people, but how good are we at reading others'?

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Another thought:
Jeff Goldblum, alleged INTP. I saw an interview of his on Letterman, and while his body language and level of engagement suggested someone who was socially comfortable, after a while his choice of conversation - which was almost entirely self-deprecatory and focused on his need to fit in and look good and failure to do so (basically failed attempts at satisfying an inferior Fe) - became pretty weird. What was he trying to prove? Was he trying to ingratiate himself with the audience by being humble? Was he trying to deny the fact that he cared intensely by discussing it with contrived nonchalance? (Are my questions totally off-the-mark because only Js have agendas?)

It seemed to me like he'd mastered the ability to appear normal, but underneath it all still hadn't quite gotten the 'normal conversation' down, and his Fe issues were leaking out. Similar to what some others have posted about older, mature and seemingly normal people actually being really strange when you get to know them. People like Goldblum (the showbiz/popular/materialistic INTP type) especially seem to be trying to prove something and pulling out all the stops to make it appear as if they're not trying to at all. Almost like a pick-up artist. All these rehearsed moves, lines, stories, ways of interacting that are too intellectually processed to be totally comfortable.

It never goes away. :eek:

Here's the video, in case anyone's interested: YouTube - ‪Jeff Goldblum on Letterman Part 1‬‏

My memory may have exaggerated details.

IMO, Ashley Olsen is an example of an INTP who isn't weird, just intense, and happy being that way. Macauley Culkin... I'm not sure. Could go either way. Maybe we get worse as we grow older.

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I see Goldblum's behaviour as a need for validation, or perhaps just Fe data. He probably has every possible reaction mapped out in his head and knows every pattern, but still has that need for a real live response.

And then there's that overconfession of "sins", especially ones related to conformity or self-consciousness. He needs to exorcise his demons (the ego of Ti, fighting against the weak and pitiful demands of Fe ["I don't care about being normal!" "please stop being so weird it's embarrassing, and for god's sake brush your teeth" "SHUT THE FUCK UP"]). He has to do this in a public arena, to hold himself accountable. There are all these conflicting motivations at play:

Be honest with yourself by admitting you need to be validated and care how you come across. (Ti principle of honesty)
Be off-hand about these truths so it seems as if you don't really care much (Fe agenda)
Because why should you? There's absolutely no reason to....[Ti spiral]
But make sure you make that really obvious so everyone knows
Wait, you're doing it again! Now you have to go on even longer about all these terrible things that awful Fe has made you done so you'll be clean again.
You know, the more you do this, the weirder you sound. Be cool man, be cool.
But remember: you don't really care about any of this.

The reason it has to be public is because there is simultaneously a need to show off Ti, in demonstrating how objective and honest we are even about ourselves (and how THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT MYSELF THAT I DON'T ALREADY KNOW, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY, I EAT INTROSPECTION FOR BREAKFAST), and a need for proper Fe feedback - even though we tell ourselves it's just about the honesty and has nothing to do with wanting to interact with another human being.

I haven't explained any of this very well and now this is certainly tldr. Sorry.
 

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The few INTPs I've met in real life, I've happened to think were pretty awesome. It's not very often that I run into like-minded people (to THAT degree, anyway) and when I have, I've had some of the most stimulating conversation in my 20 something year history of life.



The ones on here....maybe a little weird. :)
 

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I can tell that other people would find other INTPs weird, but I myself understand that weirdness. Hence, it would not seem weird to me.

And then there's that overconfession of "sins", especially ones related to conformity or self-consciousness. He needs to exorcise his demons (the ego of Ti, fighting against the weak and pitiful demands of Fe ["I don't care about being normal!" "please stop being so weird it's embarrassing, and for god's sake brush your teeth" "SHUT THE FUCK UP"]). He has to do this in a public arena, to hold himself accountable.

I haven't explained any of this very well and now this is certainly tldr. Sorry.

Way to make a point. Perhaps it stands out more to you because of self similarity.

I do experience to same thoughts, internally anyway. I do not really see a need to make them public though. Why do you think Goldblum sees the need to?
 

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Way to make a point. Perhaps it stands out more to you because of self similarity.

Actually, that was a totally different issue (just a plain apology). I won't go into lengthy justifications about how I know; it's mostly to do with being able to sense the actions my brain is taking (as if it has a physical form and I'm watching it, um, dance or something - Lenore Thomson described Ti as having a physical basis or something similar, and that's exactly how Ti feels for me). But I'll give you a point for almost noticing one. :p

Oblivious said:
I do experience to same thoughts, internally anyway. I do not really see a need to make them public though. Why do you think Goldblum sees the need to?

I think it's a result of personality (not MBTI) and function interplay. I would guess Goldblum's a little more disingenuous than some other INTP variants, and perhaps Fe has a greater hold on him than less developed INTPs. Because Fe is so taxing for us, once you think you've cracked the system you'll probably try to stick to a few tricks and hope to get through situations as quickly and pain-free as you can (which explains his masked agitation when interrupted - because then he's no longer in control - and his overdone relaxation). Adymus described him as having particularly good use of Fe, for an INTP. It seems to fit in with what I see - he has a poor-man's-version of Fe that's been genetically modified in an attempt to make it look more normal but has merely managed to mutate it in horrific ways whose only caveat is that it's not too obvious to the untrained/forgiving eye. The more we try the worse it gets. Aaargh!

[I should note that it might just be my own personal response to Goldblum's Fe and maybe I just have major issues with my own, and seeing one of the brethren betray his loserdom brothers incites a flood of disgust. I doubt that's the case though, as I was less disgusted than surprised.]
 

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I sense some sort of anti-Goldblum atmosphere around here. What's up with that? To me he comes over as a pretty nice guy who I can relate to, the way he thinks and such... As a matter of fact, he seems like a pretty good role-model for other INTPs.
And yeah, that text was tl;dr. So I didn't read all of it, I could've missed some stuff.
 

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I like Goldblum. That's why I was surprised. Actually, he came across like a lot of ENTPs I know (who always seem a bit shifty and dishonest to me, or perhaps dishonest with themselves).
 
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Yea my best friend of almost ten years now is also (I believe) INTP, he hasn't taken a test but there are many things that point to him being INTP (he is'nt actually that concerned about himself and MB type). However he is the only person I can actually have a conversation with. I talk to my other friends but not on the same level so to be able to think and talk with someone on the same level and speed with someone is the main deiierence I find with spending time with other INTP's. Also the fact that I can think to myself without my friend thinking I'm being wierd or unsocial is good too.

On a related note my brother ,whom I believe to be INTJ, is almost the same. He can think as quick as me but gets trapped by mental speed bumps and dead ends because of the J in him, so it can be quite difficult to have a conversation with him.

What I have noticed though is that I sometimes have to remind myself that I am in the company of a fellow INTP and don't have to worry about what I do/say/think.

Thinking of how INTPs interact with one another and the world in general I am reminded of a quote from another INTP:

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
 

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The only person I've ever met that I've known is an INTP is my girlfriend, and I get on with her better and more easily than anyone else I've ever met :)

Oh reeeeeeeeeeeeeally? Why don't you tell us about her, sunshine? What is she like? For some reason, I picture a old hag-like figurine riding a non-vibrating stick through the moonfull air.
 

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Oh reeeeeeeeeeeeeally? Why don't you tell us about her, sunshine? What is she like? For some reason, I picture a old hag-like figurine riding a non-vibrating stick through the moonfull air.

This is surprisinly accurate, though I would also add that she often uses the stick as a walking stick as well.

I'm pretty sure that covers everything, right? :D
 

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Oh reeeeeeeeeeeeeally? Why don't you tell us about her, sunshine? What is she like? For some reason, I picture a old hag-like figurine riding a non-vibrating stick through the moonfull air.

This is surprisinly accurate, though I would also add that she often uses the stick as a walking stick as well.

I'm pretty sure that covers everything, right? :D

Sounds like someone I'd like. Care to introduce me? I promise I won't steal her, I don't swing that way. Unless if her wrinkles are particularly appealing. Or if she has warts.:^^:
Does she have warts?
 

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Sounds like someone I'd like. Care to introduce me? I promise I won't steal her, I don't swing that way. Unless if her wrinkles are particularly appealing. Or if she has warts.:^^:
Does she have warts?

We already know that you like yourself very much, don't we now, Minx?
 

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We already know that you like yourself very much, don't we now, Minx?

Who is this :confused: Minx you speak of? Did you misspell Min's name? I never knew she liked herself all that much, she seems rather intent on being modest and nonsense like that.

I may be wrong though.
Is the lost boy right, Min? Do you like yourself very much?
 

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Sounds like someone I'd like. Care to introduce me?

I don't know, sounds kinda flimsy to me. Someone I wouldn't touch with neither a vibrating NOR a non-vibrating stick. And you know, it's Lost Eel, what kind of weirdo would date an eel enthusiastic philosophizer, hmm ?
 

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I know one who might initially come off as a sensing type or something, he seems to really try to be outgoing, future-oriented, relationship-oriented, work out shadow functions etc. Sometimes you notice the lack of awareness of personal space and minor social cues, (which seems either like a J with aspergers or a P who's trying very hard) but it really is that more than awkwardness- he does it with certainty and consistency, and the "flaws" really aren't that bad either. Maybe I've gotten too accepting of the social norms that he pays less attention to. But then again there are ones that I'm not paying attention to, that he is. I think when an INTP sets his focus on certain things, those tend to occupy a pretty significant portion of the general focus. Anyway, he's a good example of a healthy INTP playing life with realistic glasses on, while retaining some fantasy self-image just for the lulz.

Come to think of it, both he and I attract less-"acceptable" people. Sometimes there are bad weirdos; I've definitely been through a share of dysfunctional circus people acting like I was their jesus and then wanted to take over. One time it was them who was the jesus, and I happened to be curious enough about their pathology to actually go along with it.
I pretty much never discriminate about people to interact with (regarding social class etc) and lean more towards receptive than outgoing, which accounts for that^.

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Anyway, yeah, some people are interesting. Some are less interesting. It all depends on stuff.
 

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Cheese. Think Woody Allen attempting to lead into a joke he's been told a million times by his publicist to not fuck up. Plus he grins like an idiot after the joke is completed as if he's tickled he's managed to pull it off.

Right?


That's the vibe I get off Goldblum. Plus, he's absolutely an I. He focuses on Letterman and the band with token attempts at bringing in the audience but it doesn't feel like he's really there for them. He's closed off physically. His shoulders are turned toward the audience as if a pistol is pointed at his back but his legs are crossed, his hips are turned away, his hands cover his private parts. When he's not covering himself he's fiddling with his jacket, tie, and glasses. He's so I it's leaking out of the cracks. I make this assumption because after being a movie star for so long you'd think he'd be more comfortable in front of an audience.When he talks with his hands he clenches them between each gesture. It's like he's having a panic attack that he's keeping crammed down inside of himself.


Also, his self-deprecation seems sort of contrived in that he seems to be carrying it as if he thinks he should be humble. I think he might find this to be secretly humorous in that it's a ridiculous aspect of the "Goldblum As Actor" character he is currently portraying. He's not really there as himself after all.

I'm a little horrified because when I'm at my most gregarious I think I might be just like this guy. Driveling on at high speed, emotionally all over the board, and constantly scanning my audience for their reaction.

I AM WEIRD! :eek:


Am I the only one that thinks he rather hates the host in this one? He's turned away from the guy. He's pointing at his face and subtly sort of flipping him off with his hand. His shoulders are open and ready for a challenge. He points at his as if he wants to pin him to the wall. Yeah, no love lost here.

YouTube - ‪(HQ) Jeff Goldblum on Jonathan Ross 2010.05.28 (part 1)‬‏
 

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I don't know, sounds kinda flimsy to me. Someone I wouldn't touch with neither a vibrating NOR a non-vibrating stick. And you know, it's Lost Eel, what kind of weirdo would date an eel enthusiastic philosophizer, hmm ?

Oh come now, Minnie, we both know you'd touch her with both vibrating AND non-vibrating sticks :p

And Min...Minx...it's all too similar. It's the kind of similarity that could get a man with lazy fingers into a lot of trouble :eek:

Must exercise my fingers...
 

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Have you met other INTPs in real life? Did you think they were weird or at least a bit off? Please only share real life experiences, not interactions with people through this forum (unless you happened to meet in real life also).

No need to point out subtleties, spectrums, gradients, distributions, propensity, etc etc. It's a complex idea/problem but I'm just looking for people's non-scientific opinions/stories.


(YOU CAN SKIP THE BELOW UNLESS YOU'RE CURIOUS. It's likely what most people are already assuming)
BACKGROUND: An acquaintance/friend recently took the MBTI test and discovered he was an INTP. I always felt the guy was a bit off and others seemed to react to him in the same way. Anyway, my premium sample size of 1 led me to wonder if I came off in a similar weird way. I've always been treated as a bit eccentric, but my wonderful charm tends to override people's judgement of this.
I read a few threads on this site about people complaining about being called weird in real life. They and everyone else posting seemed like perfectly wonderful, normal human beings from their posts. However, I don't think it gives you strong enough insight as to their actions in the real world and how those actions are interpreted.
Anyway, I feel there's at least a vague consensus of how others interpret INTP actions, but I'd really like to know what INTPs think of other INTPs (Do weirdos hate the weird?).

Yes. So much so that it scares the bejesus out of me. I have met three INTPs in my life. They were all old(er) men (55+ years old). They have all driven me insane. They ramble. Ramble more than I ever thought possible. All three are religious zealots. Catholic religious zealots. All three ramble on incoherently and you would have to bludgeon them with a baseball bat just to get any of them to shut up of a second once they begin talking. They take oblivious to an extreme that I wonder how they are still alive. Finally, they all have depression in some form or another and live quite alone in filthy homes, wishing their lives were better and taking no action at all toward improvement.

Now I know that I have a few of these traits. I ramble, I have fervent views, I am often oblivious, and I can be a bit messy sometimes. But nothing to any of those extremes. However, they are the only INTPs I've encountered in real life as far as I'm aware. I am genuinely afraid that I will end up like them when I'm old and the thought frightens me a bit. I don't want to be like that. I am rather super duper INTPish, and I am very werid. But not that kind of weird. They are miserable. Are we doomed?
 

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Somewhat related:
How aware of you, and how accurate are you, in determining what others think of you?

I'm constantly surprised when I hear what other people think of me. So, not very good, I would say! In fact, I'm usually surprised to find out that people even talk about me at all. ("Must be a slow weather day..." I think to myself.)

To the OP, my best friend at work is an INTP. He did the test (probably just to shut me up about it), but he's not really into MBTI. He mostly comes across as quietly affable rather than weird.

I suspect that my father might be an INTP. He also comes across as quietly affable, as do I probably. I don't think he's weird, but he does sometimes come up with obscure biblical references that no-one's heard of. We're not close, so I don't know if he's weird deep down. He's almost ISTJ-ish in his conscientiousness and upholding of moral/civic/church duty. I'm the opposite.
 

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I take it for granted that most people think I am weird, but it doesn't bother me as much as it used to.

I know other INTPs and yes some are weird and some appear fairly normal. There is always something a bit "off" I guess. Deadpanning about cannibalism being on your bucket list and the biggest problem with it is how to get it done is a start. Guilty as charged. Gives the feelers something to get outraged about.
 

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The INTP's I know really aren't all that weird (including myself).
But then again, I'm from Austin. Our threshold for strangeness is already quite high, let alone if you yourself are an INTP. I suppose this is something I take for granted.
 

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Interesting stuff. When I read all of your posts on the forum you guys seem like wonderful, normal people. I wonder if it'd be weird to me if you said the exact same things in real life. Interweb magic?
 
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