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Difference between MTI and MBTI

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Mello's Type Indicator and Myers Brigg's Type Indicator

The cognitive functions on MBTI are paired correctly for extroverted types but not introverted types.

Let's compare:

MTI:

INTP — Ni-Te/Fi-Se \ ISFJ — Fi-Se/Ni-Te
INFP — Ni-Fe/Ti-Se \ ISTJ — Ti-Se/Ni-Fe
ISTP — Si-Te/Fi-Ne \ INFJ — Fi-Ne/Si-Te
ISFP — Si-Fe/Ti-Ne \ INTJ — Ti-Ne/Si-Fe


ENTP — Ne-Ti/Fe-Si \ ESFJ — Fe-Si/Ne-Ti
ENFP — Ne-Fi/Te-Si \ ESTJ — Te-Si/Ne-Fi
ESTP — Se-Ti/Fe-Ni \ ENFJ — Fe-Ni/Se-Ti
ESFP — Se-Fi/Te-Ni \ ENTJ — Te-Ni/Se-Fi

MBTI:

INTP — Ti-Ne/Si-Fe \ ISFJ — Si-Fe/Ti-Ne
INFP — Fi-Ne/Si-Te \ ISTJ — Si-Te/Fi-Ne
ISTP — Ti-Se/Ni-Fe \ INFJ — Ni-Fe/Ti-Se
ISFP — Fi-Se/Ni-Te \ INTJ — Ni-Te/Fi-Se

ENTP — Ne-Ti/Fe-Si \ ESFJ — Fe-Si/Ne-Ti
ENFP — Ne-Fi/Te-Si \ ESTJ — Te-Si/Ne-Fi
ESTP — Se-Ti/Fe-Ni \ ENFJ — Fe-Ni/Se-Ti
ESFP — Se-Fi/Te-Ni \ ENTJ — Te-Ni/Se-Fi

When I mapped out the cognitive functions to the personality types. I didn't use any pre-existing references.
Well, I just looked at the cognitive functions themselves.
I suppose that's cheating.
I just copied Carl Jung's answers.
Thanks, bro.

Why does the ENTP have Ne as the dominant function but the INTP has Ti as the dominant function. Shouldn't it be Ni?

Now which one makes more sense?

Why do the cognitive functions match for extroverts but not for introverts?

Extroverts.. dem haters.
 

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1. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions?

2. Can we videotape the carnage when @Auburn inevitably rips you a new one? :D
 

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This should do it:

Why even use the four-letter-code at all? The J/P problem doesn't even exist if we don't try to make a letter code in the first place. The letter code is, in actuality, an attempt to shorthand the functions by labeling the type via some set of "typical" traits that emerge from the functions.

That is to say, in naming Ti+Ne as INTP - Isabel Myers Briggs gave that configuration a stereotype the common populace could understand without effort. They would now just have to think of an "introverted, intuitive, thinking, percieving" individual and that became an INTP to their minds. However, as convenient as that might seem, it's a fundamentally incorrect approach. Far too simplistic.

What a Ti+Ne is, is something formulaic that has the potential to, and does, manifest both extrovertedly, introvertedly, logically, emotionally, with organization, without organization, curious in some aspects, noncurious in others. The functions have the capacity to express all traits (I/E, N/S, T/F, J/P), so the reality of a configuration simply doesn't match that face-value model. It's like trying to fit something three-dimensional into two dimensions.

Renaming Ti+Ne as an "INTJ" is just as much a flawed idea as naming it "INTP". If there is any way to name it, it should just be TiNe.

Those who really wish to know what that means will go out of their way an investigate it. To properly understand what it means to be TiNe or NiTe (or any other type) would actually take sitting down and reading --- and can't be explained in a short conversation down the hall --- but if that is the reality then it can't be sold short.

Using 4 quicky blanket-terms is about as telling as not saying anything at all.


You are adding no new understanding whatsovever to the theory by just swapping the labels. And for the record that's pretty much just the Socionic labels.

2. Auburn loves me.
I am a seething dark mass of hate that loves no-one. :phear:
 

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3. I should start my own cult now.
*Mello is suddenly covered in glowing red dots*

Wait for it....

I am a seething dark mass of hate that loves no-one.
I'm so proud I'd cry if I had tear ducts.
 

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This should do it:




You are adding no new understanding whatsovever to the theory by just swapping the labels. And for the record that's pretty much just the Socionic labels.

I am a seething dark mass of hate that loves no-one. :phear:

No, it just makes more sense the way I've paired it up.
Socionics makes more sense then:


And what does TiNe mean?

It should be TiNe/SiFe

Closed introverted judging function. Open extroverted perceiving function. / Open introverted perceiving function. Closed extroverted judging function.

You are adding no new understanding what so ever.

You are just piggybacking Carl Jung's cognitive functions.


I gave everything my own definitions at least.
Which I think are much easier to understand.

The shadow functions are a reactionary function to the primary functions.

If it was only TiNe, then you would just be a zombie unable to feel anything.

See my thread also.

You behave differently in your reality, then actual reality, anyways. >_>

There are no bounds in subjective reality except for the ones you've created.

I don't think any of us has really given any 'new' understanding, but just rewrote what's already been written.

However:

Socionics only uses two functions.

It recognizes that there are dualities, but it does not recognize that humans are made up of two personalities.

The primary functions and the shadow functions.

I am as much as an ISFJ as I am an INTP.

I just choose to be an INTP most of the time.
Derp. :D

Personalities are not one dimensional they are constantly changing.

Okay, what would be an even more accurate label then?

INTP/ISFJ

INTP/ISFJ/INFP/ISTJ/INTJ/ISTP/INFJ/ISFP
ENTP/ESFJ/ENFP/ESTJ/ENTJ/ESTP/ENFJ/ESFP

I have 16 personality types.

No, we all show characteristics of every personality type.

So, how are we not all of them?

I win.
Just kidding.
We all win.

Depending on how many light sources there are, you have multiple shadows. ;o

If I pretend that I'm ISFJ does that not make me ISFJ, then?

I should become an actor.
Just kidding.
Except, not really
We are all actors of our own life.
 

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Besides the purpose of this thread wasn't to prove one theory correct.

It was to show how two of them were similar, yet completely different.

Einstein had trouble linking different theories together.

Just combine all of them, bro.

If it was to prove something.
I would have named the title:

Why is MTI more correct than MBTI?: The case for plebeian personality construction in MBTI.
 

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Freud was right, by the way.
 

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It's like how there are different parts to the computer.

The shell, the rom, the kernel, etc.

I kind of don't even know what any of that means.
I am not a computer programmer.

Same in web design:

HTML is the structure, then there is CSS, then there is Javascript, Ruby, Python, etc.

I'm still learning HTML. I haven't even gotten to CSS, yet. >_>

Fashion:There was an original function for clothing which became fashion.

Dress in layers:
Girls dig that.

Color Theory:

Complementary Colors, Analogous colors, adjacent colours, etc.

ROYGBIV

White is all the colors combined.
Black is the absence of colors.

INTPs are all the personalities combined.
ESFJs are the lack of a personality.

Just kidding.
HAHAHA.

RGB
CMYK

8bits/channel
16bits/channel
32bits/channel

Cameras:

F-stops
ISO
Aperture
Shutter Speeds
Lenses

Camp of Duty: Dropshot
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

12 year olds calling me faggots and telling me that they will fuck my mom.
Drop shotting.
Corner camping.
Quick-scoping.
Hard-Scoping.

Earth:
Pangea
Continents - Tectonic plate movement
Mantle Core
Atmosphere
Mesosphere
Biosphere

Universe:
Observable universe
Unobservable universe

Fucks I give:
General theory of fucks Mello gives.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:

Holy shit this game sucks.
Why did they take out wave-dashing?
Masahiro Sakurai probably sucks at his own game.

A Clockwork Orange:
Why was the 21st chapter removed in the American edition?
Why did Stanley Kubrick not include it in his movie?
Why have I only watched the movie once and not really liked it?

Gabe Newall:
Why does he have so many chins?

Minecraft:
World of Autism

Diablo 3:
Max Payne 3:
Assassin's Creed 3:
Bioshock: Infinite:

Why haven't you fucking come out, yet?

'Next'-gen consoles:
Three of them — Perfect balance
Does the Nintendo Wii count as a 'next'-gen console?
Fuck no.


Why have I not stopped making lists yet?:

I don't remember why I started.
I want to see how many lists I can make.
I was trying to make a point, but now it's relatively pointless.
I want to see if you would actually read this wall of text.
You deserve a high-five if you do.

Possible College Majors for me:
1. Game Design
2. Computer Science
3. Graphic Design
4. Film
5. Medicine
6. Accounting because of that movie The Shawshank Redemption Tim Robbins kind of looks like Tom Hanks.
7. How do I remember so much useless shit? Well, Mello there's short term memory and there is long term memory. It's easier to remember things in parts. It's called chunking. You might have learned this in that AP psychology class you took during your junior year of high-school.
Oh, thanks, Vergil.
8. I'm done.
9. I lied.
10. Fashion Design.
11. Psychology. HAHAHAHA
12. Philosphy?
13. Politics?
14. At NYU they allow you to create your own major.
15. I was denied from NYU and USC. THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS.
16. Don't go to College. It's a waste of money, but there will be lots of cute girls there and partying.
17. Let's make 100 points.
18. THERE WILL BE LOTS OF CUTE GIRLS THERE.
19. There might be cute boys there.
20. My parents won't be able to bother me.
21. I ride my bike between classes.
22. I'll be living on my own or with a dorm mate.
23. I don't think I can make 100 points.
24. The campus is really nice at UCSC.
25. It's like it's a fucking forest.
26. It's close to the beach.
27. Sand is nice.
28. There are usually cute girls at the beach.
29. I can learn how to surf, maybe.
30. I can skateboard around the campus.
31. I can try and pick up chicks by skateboarding.
32. I can try and pick up chicks by bike-riding.
33. Do girls go for guys who look 14(?) years old.
34. Yes.
35. Yes, they do, Mello.
36. Thanks for the support.
37. Do girls go for guys who are short?
38. Who gives a fuck?
39. Am I going to start drinking at College?
40. Alcohol still tastes like horse piss.
41. But I've started smoking cigarettes.
42. All the pretty girls smoke.
43. Well, the one's I know, at least.
44. College parties.
45. Sex.
46. More sex.
47. Sex is gross.
48. Showering together.
49. Hot baths together.
50. Play video games with cute girls from game design class?
51. It'll happen.
52. We can cuddle and shit.
53. Lots of cuddling.
54. Lots of sleeping together.
55. I'll sleep at the foot of the bed.
56. More than half-way done.
57. I should sleep.
58. Not unless I finish.
59. Internships.
60. Indie game development.
61. Hip as fuck.
62. Hipster girls.
63. Are cute as fuck.
64. Maybe I'll be able to work for a major gaming company.
65. Maybe I'll eventually start a major gaming company.
66. If the College has mostly liberal arts, I can also collaborate with the cute graphic designers.
67. There's a Ukele club at UCSC.
68. There's a giant library at UCSC.
69. Attempt to hit on girls at library.
70. ?????
71. No, they usually come to me.
72. Magic.
73. Except, not really.
74. Maybe, I'm just approachable.
75. Not if I carry knives on me.
76. Oh yeah.
77. I get to put whatever the fuck I want on my walls.
78. Smoke weed.
79. Everyday.
80. Do hard drugs?
81. Probably not.
82. The U.S. government had a secret project called MKULTRA where they gave people LSD without their permission.
83. They also started brothels to lure people in.
84. Some participants willingly agreed.
85. One of them took LSD for 70(?) days straight.
86. Thank you, Wikipedia.
87. Trees are nice.
88. Maybe, I'll try and climb one of them.
89. Maybe.
90. Probably not.
91. Almost there.
92. Oh yeah.
93. You can rent out video game consoles there.
94. That's awesome.
95. Then, I probably won't have to buy a PS3, yet.
96. Will I only be eating ramen noodles?
97. I weigh 101(?)lbs, currently.
98. Maybe I'll ask someone to cook for me.
99. They have nice cafeterias on campus, though.
100. I don't actually enjoy eating.
101. I'm serious.
102. Fuck eating.

Personality:

The personality type(s), the cognitive functions, the way the functions interact, etc.
 

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Mello, you are a master of obfuscating the subject.
 

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