Developing S Function?

[dark]

Ok the thread I made on F functions has helped me quite a bit at understanding people better and helped me not run people away.

I had thought that fixing a car over the summer would have helped my lack of noticing things but it hasn't much, some but not much. I know it is a work in progress since it is my 4th function, but there has to be a better way to notice things than to just make stuff right?

How would one develop their S function?

I am thinking taking up hobbies helps, but since I am partially blind, left eye, I have always had trouble at using my S functions. I play musical instruments but that just helps me notice musical things. I do notice artistic things with ease, but not many other things.

What do the rest of you think about how we could better ourselves by developing our S function?

I would ask my dominate S family but they haven't been useful so far.

 

[Jchazard]

Well let's think.

Se- Taking things in through the senses and interpreting them literally.
Si- Taking things in literally and comparing them to past experiences doing so.


So even though you have a partially blind eye, you still have four other senses at your disposal. Also, it deals with memorization about the facts of an object or phrase. So "in a minute" would be sixty seconds and seeing a person I'd say they're living, male/female, etc. Just notice detail and facts more especially in what someone says I would think.

Would saying "that is a sign of things to come" and interpreting sign as an object be sensing? I don't think so but I think what I'm getting at is there is the sign, and then the inuition says what it means... Ya know? So maybe it has nothing to do with senses at all but literal interpretation of facts.

 

[Lobstrich]

You are a weird guy.. You want to develop your F AND S... Why not go all out and develop your J at the same time! You'll be an ESFJ, the perfect human!

 

[SkyWalker]

its not weird, its smart

 

[SkyWalker]

dark> let say you have a business idea. if you would invest your money in that business idea, what is the first thing that you think about? what there might be to win (profit), or what there is to lose (lose your money)?

of course you will think about both, but which one dominates your mind?

if you never invested, then maybe you give an ideal answer now which is not what you would truly do. think what you would truly do

 

[Lobstrich]

its not weird, its smart

Not in my opinion.

 

[SkyWalker]

Not in my opinion.

so you prefer to be a specialist, fine, (then you only see a partial part of the spectrum, but you'll be the best of the best in your part of the spectrum)

dark and me prefer to be generalists, because the generalists see more.

 

[Lobstrich]

so you prefer to be a specialist, fine, (then you only see a partial part of the spectrum, but you'll be the best of the best in your part of the spectrum)

dark and me prefer to be generalists, because the generalists see more.

I'm not saying that learning about F and S is wrong. I'm just saying that I do not want to be more 'F'ie' or 'N'ie' How can you call that ignorant? It's like calling a thin man ignorant because he likes being thin, and does not want to try to be fat or muscular. The thin man can still learn about muscles and fat, can he not?

 

[SkyWalker]

you could learn the theory, thats at least one step in the right direction, but you will still not know how it is to experience it when used in practice by those who do.

lets say you never saw red. i can tell you the wavelength of the color red, and you think you understand it, but you will not really know until you experience it. red is more than the wavelength.
we are trying to experience it

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Do you want to develop it, or imitate it?

 

[Jchazard]

I think trying to be the opposite of yourself, ESFJ, would lead to being able to use all functions well. Also, just because you're developing other senses doesn't mean you're losing ability in your other ones. It just doesn't work that way. They're opposite to the same thing, and improving one will improve the other as you can take both into consideration and perceive things better/ make better decisions. You can also improve your intuition simultaneously and thinking it just makes sense to be the best you.

 

[dark]

@ Lobstrich, I am not wanting to develop anything that isn't in my top 4 functions. My dom Ne is pretty well developed, my auxiliary Ti works pretty damn good. But my Fe and Si aren't all that great. I am sure you as an INTP or whatever type you are understands that when subjected to your tertiary and inferior function you become fatigued, not much but it happens. My Si is the worst, when I had a temp security guard job I was required to watch things constantly, all the time looking around, and because my Si wasn't and isn't developed well, I lacked, and became fatigued quite a bit if I didn't keep my mind on things I could keep up with.

My shadow functions I could care less about. I am not specifically asking for Si or Fe because there may be others that read past here with Se or Fi. I don't care either about my lack or organizational skills, my chaos works better for me. I am an ENTP and proud of how my mind works, there is no reason not to better its already pretty good arrangement.

@ SkyWalker, I have never actually invested money into stocks or anything but I have invested money into vehicles, I never looked to what I was going to loose, but what I would gain. And from investing money into a crappy truck, I fixed it up and made enough money to buy a really nice car. So that is about as far as my investing has went.

And Jchazard is right in that last post there, our opposite has the same functions as us but in opposite arrangement. They are the least likely for us to understand. Mine the ISFJ is odd to me. It would be ignorant for them not to want to develop their Ne or Ti, my mother is an ISFJ and has never developed her Ti, she sometimes uses Ne but on rare occasions. I don't want to be a useless specialist, I want to understand how to associate with everyone, how to feel how to sense how to think how to see the unseen.

Not wanting to use all your functions would be like not wanting to use your legs or arms. My dad is crippled in his back from being an iron worker building sky scrapers, I am sure he would much rather be able to use his back and enjoy what it does for him than have it cause a disability.

Are you willingly saying you want to be disabled? Because that is how I see it. Also I don't like to look at the stuff as the letters E/I N/S T/F P/J, those are pointless and useless in all reality, the functions is what we use, we don't use E or S. Being introverted in personality does not mean you are introverted socially, these terms are associated in how your brain works, how it receives and processes information. If I am wrong about this I am sure one of the experts will correct my error but I am sure about this for now.

 

[Jchazard]

Actually I would think ISFP would give you the most conflicts. Atleast you still have two similar middle functions to share with the ISFJ even if you or her doesn't use the fourth. That should kind of be ideal. Maybe she's artsy at ISFP? That would explain the lack of thinking preference...

But right. If you think ISFJ when perceiving information I'd think you'd eventually further develop your third and fourth functions. But um... wouldn't developing the last four be good also? Not really sure.

 

[dark]

I am not sure about our shadow functions, I was told by someone in one of my first threads that we can't work on them. It is something we can't consciously do. Not really sure who said that.

 

[Lobstrich]

@ Lobstrich, I am not wanting to develop anything that isn't in my top 4 functions. My dom Ne is pretty well developed, my auxiliary Ti works pretty damn good. But my Fe and Si aren't all that great. I am sure you as an INTP or whatever type you are understands that when subjected to your tertiary and inferior function you become fatigued, not much but it happens. My Si is the worst, when I had a temp security guard job I was required to watch things constantly, all the time looking around, and because my Si wasn't and isn't developed well, I lacked, and became fatigued quite a bit if I didn't keep my mind on things I could keep up with.

Yeah, I can't actually follow you completely on that part! I had honestly not thought your motives further to anything but "I am not contend with N and T so I want to become an SF" Sorry for my ignorance =)

 

[Lobstrich]

you could learn the theory, thats at least one step in the right direction, but you will still not know how it is to experience it when used in practice by those who do.

lets say you never saw red. i can tell you the wavelength of the color red, and you think you understand it, but you will not really know until you experience it. red is more than the wavelength.
we are trying to experience it

Very true. But say you could only choose between seeing red (being F) or green (being T) If you were to experience red. You would automatically loose some of the experience you've gotten from green. Because you're mind would know two colours now, and for that reason it would also have to focus on two colours at a time (be in consciously or subconsciously) and would through that, as I said before. Loose some of what you know from green, and it would instead become a mix of green and red.

My point is that even though how much people want to believe it you can't be both S and F, or well. You cannot have 60,70,80,90,100% T and F at the same time. That would be against the theory of Myers Briggs, and afterall. That is the theory we are talking about. A 50/50 is all you can hope for if you want to be a sort of 'jack of all trades'

 

[SkyWalker]

@lobstrich> you cannot see all directions in the same moment in time. but you can turn your head and see all directions in a certain time period. so it is the same with your cogn. functions: you can't use Te while you use Ti, that would be like having 2 extra eyes in the back of your back. our mind can't handle that, its not built like that. it can only focus on 1 side, BUT it can turn and see other sides as well.

i think a lot of people forget that they can turn their head, their head is stuck.

by "developing a functions" we try to "stretch te neck muscles" so we can freely rotate around again

 

[Lobstrich]

@lobstrich> you cannot see all directions in the same moment in time. but you can turn your head and see all directions in a certain time period. so it is the same with your cogn. functions: you can't use Te while you use Ti, that would be like having 2 extra eyes in the back of your back. our mind can't handle that, its not built like that. it can only focus on 1 side, BUT it can turn and see other sides as well.

i think a lot of people forget that they can turn their head, their head is stuck.

by "developing a functions" we try to "stretch te neck muscles" so we can freely rotate around again

Sure, "looking around" is good. But my reponse to this is the same as I just posted. So instead of just going in circles I'll just say, what i just said =)

 

[a detached retina]

If we had net zero minds the world would be scary.
Obviously it's possible to learn something new without forgetting something old.
Experimenting with noticing details and facts really can't hurt your Ne.

Since you only understand simplistic and inaccurate metaphors I'll put it this way: If you only ate grilled fish and broccoli it would be unhealthy even though those are healthy foods. If you eat some cheese every once in a while it would make you more healthy. People who eat cheese all the time however, are ISFJs.