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Detecting fake impression????

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INTP guys are pretty good at detecting persons real nature....even if he is faking it...but what if someone know how you detect his nature and try to double cross it and give you a fake impression of his or her...I meant to say with every body language some probable cause and nature depending upon the instant circumstance exist...but what if some one can fake this perception...how would you detect it?
 

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From what i gather, INTPs are not very good with body language.
I personally am an INTP who can not, for the sake of his own life, lie.

On the other hand, i can detect lies via inconsistency.
 

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I'm not INTP but I take in a person holistically (can't really pin point what exactly) but it will 'feel false'. I don't take my intuition as gospel truth but I heed the warning and become more attuned. I'll take a very cautious approach with them...
 

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such people will typically act differently towards other individuals, you spot them by spotting their inconsistencies in interacting.
 

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I get an aura of certain people. I'm sure the aura is subconscious things I pick up on, but thats the only way I can describe it. I tend to categorize people, and with in a few minutes I can pin point some types of people right away.

I spent a lot of time in high school around shady people, and I saw their false persona's fall apart and unravel. Certain uses of words, or tones I was able to pick up.

But there is some question about my intpness. Some.
 

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inconsistancy is a good point...but what if he posses a greater intellect and can bypass your perception by changing his attitude towards other person..yes intps are not good with body languages...but to make an intp blv he dont even have to fake it.....as for eyes and facial expression it can also be faked.Suppose you have to make a very important decision and you are depending totally on your perception.....there is always a risk of being wrong.....and the cause of wrong perception would be lack of intellect than the other guy....
 

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so should we just avoid making very important decision totally depending upon perception....or is there any way out?
 

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I don't see a problem, depending on the important decision, why you couldn't. Some times it's better to go with your gut. I'm one for going with my gut, if I don't have a reason to not believe it.

I think it would take a lot of focus to get to the point where you could keep from slipping up ever. A perceptive person is going to pick up on things. That's just how it works. You could be really good though. That would take a lot of training, or some natural talent.
 

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INTP guys dont care about faking for personal gain and for other head types taking the ratio of other introverted head types to the total population and with the probablity of their intention of faking the percentage would be pretty small..so it could be ignored....but its better to never have a loose end.....so while making a important decision its better to always have a way out...though its not always possible....with people we know it would not be a problem but i think taking decision with perception of a person whom we dont know pretty well should always have a way out...what do you say...
 

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Depends on the important decision once again. Ways out are always nice with those, but some important things have no way out. Perhaps specifics could help clarify. But that's me assuming this topic was posted for more than just discussion.
 

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The assumption is correct....actually as being an INTP sometime some thoughts cause me insomania....I cant think anything else....till now for making decisions about relationship or friends i have been totally dependent upon my peception....then THIS what if THOUGHT suddenly strikes my mind and I cant think anything else....I would not be able to do anything else( pretty stubborn mind you know)...so I need an answer
 

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This might be of no use to you, but when I can't read a person, I usually just take him/her out of the equation or create redundancies in case that person is actually a demon. This works if the person in question is just one of the variables and not the main point around which the scenario revolves.

On the other hand, if you really want to see through the person you think might be a good actor, you might want to look at their trail instead of him/her directly. It makes little sense to fight your opponent in the area where he has a great advantage. So try and find out what music he/she listens to when no one else is around, what books they have actually read and liked (if any); look at the way they approach work and tasks. Finally, ask them questions that usually do not come up in daily conversations (if that's possible)- most likely they won't have an eloquent prepared/automated answer for that. Fakers can be very good and very hard to crack while they are in their comfort zone- get them out of there and you will see the inconsistencies.
Without knowing the details we can only provide general advice. But you are an INTP, detach yourself from the situation and look at it objectively, deconstruct the problem- you are good at that.
 

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Every input given here are of use with their own limitations.....but we can create a hybrid which will eliminate all those limitations.....more input....less vlbnrties....so more inputs are always welcome...
 

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bytheway can we detect a person with their eyes....I means its pretty easy to fake facial expression...but with eyes its difficult....you know like you could give a facial expression but to fake it you have to under your own observation which give a intense look....like constant glare....while actually you are acting to be a real dumb...so what do you guys say?
 

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bytheway can we detect a person with their eyes....I means its pretty easy to fake facial expression...but with eyes its difficult....you know like you could give a facial expression but to fake it you have to under your own observation which give a intense look....like constant glare....while actually you are acting to be a real dumb...so what do you guys say?

I already declared this as the only way. Glad you caught up. It's been a pleasure watching you reason it all out.
 

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INTP guys are pretty good at detecting persons real nature....even if he is faking it...but what if someone know how you detect his nature and try to double cross it and give you a fake impression of his or her...I meant to say with every body language some probable cause and nature depending upon the instant circumstance exist...but what if some one can fake this perception...how would you detect it?
Initial impression of this person
Knowledge of this persons consistent behaviour
Behavioural eccentricities such as facial, bodily and tonal abnormalities
Logical inconsistencies
Knowledge of motivations for interaction
Knowledge of motivations for agenda
Knowledge of their knowledge of my insecurities and probable exploits that would give them my favourable response
General knowledge of their level of knowledge

the above, all play a role in the decision making process when it would come to discerning the truth.
 

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This is true. The eyes will tell you what the person is actually feeling. I suppose though, the best actors are the ones that can feel what they want to. Those people are hard for me to read; it takes me longer to understand their character; I have to judge their actions, rather than their emotions - looking at how they understand, relate, treat, and deal with other people. They will generally be poor at those aspects and deal with the resulting social mishaps/problems in a way that pushes people away by objectifying them and raising themselves up, often preferring an intermediary to make a decision on who is in the 'wrong'.

It's weird though, because it's always a lot easier for me to trust someone who is willing to get down and dirty with me because then I know it's possible to connect with their emotions and we can work it out. I know often people claim that going to someone's level is a bad thing, but it's even stranger dealing with someone that presumptuously believes they are on a level above you; at least if someone goes to your level (or vice versa), you can both use that to see eye-to-eye. But it never works when someone is on the pedestal and it's ironic that such a person can then deem themselves more 'mature'. I guess it goes with the psychological dual aspect where one can't be mature, without also being immature. At least, it's true for me.
 
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