Destiny

[edmaster111]

What do you all think about destiny?

Is it the domino effect or the butterfly effect?

No way of escaping causality, destiny ?

 

[Cognisant]

We are, all of us, destined to death, taxes and irrelevance.

And only if you're very fortunate will it be in that order.

 

[Puffy]

I think it was Wilhelm Reich who said ‘character is destiny’. There’s some truth to it.

 

[edmaster111]

We are, all of us, destined to death, taxes and irrelevance.

And only if you're very fortunate will it be in that order.

haha yea ur correct

 

[birdsnestfern]

You have destiny points that you are here to learn (life plan/purpose) but you also have free will to exit out of life or alter your life path, its just that those choices will get you off track and would miss your destiny points and likely have to be reborn to live the same life and pain over again until you learn whatever it was.

Some people have to endure the same life over and over until they get through their lessons. Choices you make can change the destiny points - so embrace the lessons and learn them. The biggest one is being kind and using love and forgiveness of yourself and others as much as you can.

 

[Black Rose]

Some people have to endure the same life over and over until they get through their lessons. Choices you make can change the destiny points - so embrace the lessons and learn them. The biggest one is being kind and using love and forgiveness of yourself and others as much as you can.

It seems like this has happened to me several times, I have had many deja vu moments in my life. It seems that video games exist where I had to replay them many times to get past the levels I was on. This is in real life also. I disagree with people who say things do not exist until you look at them. If that were true then you could not store your progress. You would have no idea of the mistakes you made. I made many mistakes mostly to do with trying to change people. It is hard to change people and you think if you could this would make things better for you but it does not. It only makes it harder to do other things that need to be done.

Emotions are what drives you to try this though because you think people will listen if you push harder. When people do not listen it feels bad because then you do not get something important, that is where emotions come from, to get important things, but then emotions do not work to change people and this is the mistake. People will not change until they do, so it matters just to ignore certain individuals until that happens no matter what you feel towards them. People can be stupid and you can do nothing about it sometimes.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I feel like destiny only exists as a word because of our afterthoughts on certain events. If you think about how the word might have come around, perhaps it was just a way to say "it was bound to happen". Then it was turned around to say "it IS bound to happen".

I do wonder if it is connected to the ancient Greek conception of the fates.

But I think in the modern sense it has to do with predestination, or determinism.

So given that, I don't think it has much utility, unless you're planning for the future in a certain way. A lot of this predestiniation rhetoric has been in politics, and usually its been associated with authoritarianism. Sometimes authoritarianism can be good to help defend a nation, but other times it's forged to crush dissent, in more than unpleasent ways.

But in other ways destiny is not something you escape if you are your own vehicle of destiny yourself. The feeling of the inability to escape or to not be able to ward off the inevitable just merely means you are not your own master. If you know who you are and what the world is, and if you understand what motives you, and thus other people as well since they are your own kin, you become to realize that the power to enact change rests in you and others.

I like this quote by Thich Nhat Hanh,

Enlightenment is when a wave realizes that it is the ocean.

He was a Vietnamese Buddhist activist, so it's unclear if he meant it in the sense of western enlightenment, or whether he means enlightenment in the sense of nirvana, but it helps to put into words of how agency is manifested through realization of it. I think destiny as a word could be used in a poor way to encompass the human experience.

 

[Black Rose]

Sam... we have been watching you for a long, long time. You have fought for Optimus, our last descendant, with courage and sacrifice, the qualities of a leader. A leader worthy of our secret. The Matrix of Leadership cannot be found, it must be earned. Return now to Optimus. Merge the Matrix with his spark. It was, and has always been, your destiny...

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I think Destiny can mean many things but in the meaningful sense, it means the purpose of one's life. As the oracle in the matrix says: we are here to do what we are all here to do.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

Either everything is a coincidence or everything is determined.

Destiny implicitly objectifies the subject, almost as if it would have it's own agency if not implying a sort of connection to the subject that is destined for something, and the something that is imposed on the subject. Further than the obvious relationship of occurrence.

Archduke Ferdinand survived his assassination attempt, but later dies anyways.

A terrorist-affiliated group of Serbians—an ethnic group whom Ferdinand referred to as “scoundrels” and worse—attempted to assassinate Ferdinand by lobbing a grenade at his car. The explosive detonated, damaging another car, but all three occupants of Ferdinand’s car were unharmed.


This was not the end of the story, however. Following that assassination attempt, Ferdinand continued with his plans to visit a local government office. He then directed his motorcade to visit a hospital where people injured in the earlier blast were being treated. Along the way, Ferdinand’s driver unintentionally turned onto the wrong street where an armed Serbian teenager, by coincidence, was walking. As the driver realized his mistake and tried to back out of the street, the teen shot Ferdinand and his wife Sophie at close range.

I think this is along the lines of what destiny is supposed to mean. Ferdinand was destined to die and trigger a certain chain of events. Of course looking at it from another perspective, this could be just as likely as anything else.

Certain patterns seem peculiar or fitting depending on some factors even though statistically, the odds would make perfect sense of said events happening rather than not.

Coincidences may be explained away by the mere fact that we don't have the knowledge we need to not see the connection as an anomaly.

Despite this though, there are probabilities, and thus improbabilities. You flip a coin 100 times you're going to get 50/50 on average. If you don't get that result, you gotta ask yourself, what drove that result? At what point is chance different from destiny?

 

[Puffy]

You have destiny points that you are here to learn (life plan/purpose) but you also have free will to exit out of life or alter your life path, its just that those choices will get you off track and would miss your destiny points and likely have to be reborn to live the same life and pain over again until you learn whatever it was.

Some people have to endure the same life over and over until they get through their lessons. Choices you make can change the destiny points - so embrace the lessons and learn them. The biggest one is being kind and using love and forgiveness of yourself and others as much as you can.

Yeah I’m inclined towards agreeing with a similar idea. Karmic astrology expresses similar through the north / south node positions. I’ve found mine to be accurate in terms of life lessons so far.

 

[birdsnestfern]

Awesome. My North node is in Libra, in my twelth house of OTHERS. So I'm trying to learn Harmony.
And, I'm gathering up art supplies too, and might take some art classes.

North Node in Libra / South Node in Aries - truly divine

You are learning to give of yourself with generosity and experience life from other people’s perspectives. Individuals with their North Node in Libra often

www.trulydivine.com

 

[MoralityDenierButReallyANiceGuy]

All fate is possible to be changed by human hands. Even eerily accurate astrological reports can be made null and void. Especially with enough ego death

 

[Puffy]

All fate is possible to be changed by human hands. Even eerily accurate astrological reports can be made null and void. Especially with enough ego death

My personal interpretation is that you’re free to do what you like. But there’s a particular path or selection of paths in life that will make you happiest and most fulfilled. In astrology that’s what the north node represents. You could not do it but it might not be the wisest of choices.

I don’t follow astrology religiously btw or let it dictate what I do. It just turns out that what I find fulfilling has aligned with it. But I find its take on destiny interesting.

 

[Puffy]

Awesome. My North node is in Libra, in my twelth house of OTHERS. So I'm trying to learn Harmony.
And, I'm gathering up art supplies too, and might take some art classes.

North Node in Libra / South Node in Aries - truly divine

You are learning to give of yourself with generosity and experience life from other people’s perspectives. Individuals with their North Node in Libra often

www.trulydivine.com

That’s cool I liked these blogs:

North Node in Pisces / 12th House — Courtney Santoro

With your North Node in Pisces or the 12th house, you’re here to transcend earthly concerns and continually elevate your consciousness. The universe is saying to you - lean into spirituality. Lean into the knowing you have inside of you that everything is connected and therefore everything matters.

www.courtneysantoro.com

Libra North Node, Aries South Node

Libra North Node Aries South Node people expect to be misfits. They expect alienation because they’ve learned how to depend on themselves as a survival skill.

www.alicesparklykat.com

Mine is Aquarius 4th house.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think this is along the lines of what destiny is supposed to mean. Ferdinand was destined to die and trigger a certain chain of events. Of course looking at it from another perspective, this could be just as likely as anything else.

I never heard of this, but its interesting. So basically Ferdinand had a bad day.
One could explain this simply by viewing the anarchist were strong movement during his reign. Not all anarchist subscribe to violence though. Statistically though there is always that one person who wants to take things in their own hands.

What do you all think about destiny?

If it means having a destination and knowing where you are going then yes, it is.

Is it the domino effect or the butterfly effect?

I don't really know, but everything is connected, and everything impacts everything in some way.
How we decide to call it is matter of understanding of cause and effect.
At the end of the day universe is energy and form and all in some weird flux.

No way of escaping causality, destiny ?

Depends what you mean escaping it?
If you look left and right before crossing a road you are escaping almost 100 percent chance of being hit by a car. All it takes is caution.
Lots of stories about destiny are cautionary tales where someone tells you to not do that one thing and you do it.

 

[birdsnestfern]

Libra North Node, Aries South Node

Libra North Node Aries South Node people expect to be misfits. They expect alienation because they’ve learned how to depend on themselves as a survival skill.

www.alicesparklykat.com

Very accurate for me!
Good one!

In the pandemic, intpf is the only socializing I am doing.
I do miss physical contact like hugging, but you can hug your pet too.
I think we are just about out of the pandemic now.
What a long dormant period, now we must try to release that fear and emerge again.