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[Zero]

I realized the topic I made was redundant and there was another place for it. I constantly forget I can't delete posts. My apologies.

Well then... anyone want to talk about INTJs and why they are misguided in trying to form intimate relationships with INTPs? Or maybe why they are misguided or inferior in general?

On the other hand, why they make good friends? Or good lovers if you're into that kind of thing?

Does anyone else find it funny that, in Family Guy, Brian is an INTP and Stewie is an INTJ?

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Does anyone else find it funny that, in Family Guy, Brian is an INTP and Stewie is an INTJ?

I do now.

 

[Cryss Winters]

My best friend tells me I'm like Brian. =\ rofl

 

[Kuu]

Does anyone else find it funny that, in Family Guy, Brian is an INTP and Stewie is an INTJ?

Which is why Brian is the best character of the show, and Stewie the 2nd best.

 

[Toad]

I always thought of Stewie as being INTJ in the earlier seasons. But more recently, he has totally become and ENTX. Seriously, he is hilarious! I love him. Brian is definitely my 2nd favorite character.

 

[echoplex]

Stewie is totally gay for Brian, which may say something about INTJs falling for the more laid-back INTP. And Brian is in love with Lois (ISFJ?), which means INTPs fall for ugly annoying redheads? Really, I'm struggling to make a connection here.

In other news, I'm not comfortable saying INTJs are inferior, 'cause I still suspect I might be one myself. Some recent reading on Ni and Te has me wondering again.

Either way, there's no such thing as superior or inferior types, unless you're judging from a single context. (i.e., ExFJs are superior at public speaking)

 

[Zero]

I'm joking about the inferior INTJ thing.... But we're better than them.... I have many INTJ friends, I seem to attract them. Sometimes they can get annoying. I had one friend who repeated me constantly, he was an INTJ.

One of the friends I came to like very well was actually an ENTJ. The ENTJ was a bit overbearing, but they hadn't been I might've tried to hit on them.

Oddly, I love INTJ characters. Stewie is my favorite, Near is my favorite (Death Note), Artemis Fowl, Edgeworth (IS EDGY AN INTJ? [Edgeworth is my avatar, he's from Phoenix Wright and is going to have his own DS game soon]). I like INTP characters, like Brian and L, but I tend to feel I'm too much like them. They fail to amuse me like INTJ characters do. INTJ character are actually trying to pull off their nutty plans, while an INTP is just doing their thing. Brian is attempt to have normal social relationships with humans. L was put on a throne and spoiled. He completely ignored his social side, as did Near. They were brought up very unrealistically.

There are a few things I can't stand about Brian, despite the fact he's an INTP.
1. He's a F-CKING DOG. I can't get over the fact that he's a dog trying to get with human women. I get that he's like "man's best friend" and he can talk to people. I can deal with that, but why is he hitting on humans? He has sex with a dog too.
2. He likes Louis? Louis is, at best, an ESFP. She does like to perform if she gets the chance, but she's probably an ISFP/J. When she's younger she likes the excitement of being with Peter, so I don't really imagine she's a J type. I don't know. I also don't know why Brian is into her. It might just be because Peter is so stupid and Brian lives with them as a pet dog. Meaning, he's pretty close to Louis, he sleeps on their bed and such. From a Dog POV she's the alpha and she's a friend, so is Peter, but Peter is incompetent and stupid.

My favorite episodes/scenes are of Brian and Stewie. It kind of makes sense to me that Stewie- being a super intelligent (talking?) baby- and Brian- a super intelligent talking dog- would get along and be buddies. It almost creates a Calvin and Hobbes feel.

I don't know what direction they're trying to go with the show or how they're trying to develop the characters. I think Stewie will essentially stay an INTJ. Then again, I really doubt they purposely made the characters INTJ, INTP, ESFP or ISFJs, etc...

 

[echoplex]

haha yeah, I've been saying for years that Family Guy is the stupidest show on TV. Sometimes I like stupid though. When I'm in the mood for it, stupid can be good. At least it doesn't try too hard to be poignant and meaningful. lol

 

[Zero]

BTW if you're not sure if you're an INTJ or an INTP I would say check this out.
http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html
Read up on the functions. I believe Joe Butt is an INTP and I think he does a very comprehensive job of writing about functions.
It's kind of hard to know until you actually see it in action.
So, if you're an INTJ, and you express your ideas, you express your conclusions (thinking), based on hunches (Intuition).
If you're an INTP you express you express your theories (Intuition), based on thoughts (thinking). INTPs don't often express conclusion, until we're absolutely convinced of it. Even so, there's always room for improvement.

Probably one reason INTPs are not the nuts with devious plans is because we can't come to conclusions. INTJs build off of conclusions. In comparison with INTPs, INTJs are builders and INTPs are collective. INTJs are like "I will build this table, make these improvements, get these supplies for it." INTPs are like "I will get these things and build something out of it. Maybe a table that will suit me and only me and no one else will be able to figure out how to unlock it." We might both over look details, but a INTJ will actually try to pull off their plans in a timely manner.

I sometimes have a more organized side. I decorated a room to suit my taste one time and drew out what I wanted in it, etc... I really liked how it came out. But I forgot seating and my quick fix was to get hanging/hammock chairs (Now I have to take them out of the ceiling and figure out how I can hang them in the new place I live...). It was a cool room, even though it didn't turn out as practical as it could. I would assume an INTJ wouldn't overlook something like that or would get input and realize they needed it.

INTPs have an ESFJ side (least I do). It's like our shadow. When I get stressed out I tend to worry and want everything clean and set up how I want it to be set up. Obviously, I don't show all traits of an ESFJ and when I display those traits they're not balanced. I get paranoid and I feel like I can't get everything accomplished like I should. I have a hidden sense/paranoia to protect my friends and family- though I can't often act on it.

If INTJs get stressed out according to what I wrote, they should mimic an ESFP. I think they become more talkitive and look as if they're out of control (feel that way too). I know when I've stressed out my INTJ friends they get a bit frantic and try to hit an emotional bull's eye. They act more impulsive and as if they think the world will end if they don't correct things.

 

[Zero]

haha yeah, I've been saying for years that Family Guy is the stupidest show on TV. Sometimes I like stupid though. When I'm in the mood for it, stupid can be good. At least it doesn't try too hard to be poignant and meaningful. lol

Exactly, stupid is good sometimes. When I'm tired and only going to give it half of my attention.

Also, the stupidest show on TV is Squidbillies. And I don't watch it.

 

[echoplex]

Yeah Zero, the thing is, I actually tested as INTJ after I first became interested in the MBTI. But then I read the INTP description and felt like it fit me much better. Then I tested as INTP, although having already decided I was probably INTP makes it hard to trust the result.

It seems that I have days where I feel INTP and days when I feel INTJ. One day I'm laid back, tolerant, open-minded, lazy, and VERY perceptive but with little impetus to accomplish anything. The next day I'm bossy, driven, intolerant of new ideas, and feel that I have to do SOMETHING. Also, judging from the descriptions of Ni and Ne, I seem to use both quite a bit. I also score high on both Ti and Te, and weak on Fe and Se.

I think it's possible I wanted to be INTP because it seemed to explain my laziness and lack of ambition. But maybe I'm just a failed INTJ who hasn't developed Te enough to get off my ass, or maybe it's the fact I never had anyone to push me not to be so lazy.

I suppose an easy way out of this confusion would be to modify my view of the MBTI to include a higher degree of consciousness of the 5th and 6th functions (as opposed to the 7th and 8th, which are less conscious). I think that rather than all 4 shadow functions simply being "unconscious", it makes more sense that they be incrementally more conscious moving up from the 8th. So while Fi might seem nonexistent, and Se barely there, Ni and Te might be mildly or even moderately conscious to INTPs.

Eh, just speculation though.

Also, the stupidest show on TV is Squidbillies. And I don't watch it.

lol. I actually watch that show! I agree it's very stupid, but I'm from Georgia and the show makes fun of the south. I can relate to the culture (somewhat) that the show is mocking, so it's hard to look away.

And it may not be so dumb after all. In a recent episode, Early, the main character, offered up a very pertinent philosophical question:

Men are from Mars, and women are from the ribs of that man. But where do the cheatin' whores come from? I do not know.

Ah, centuries of man's quest for knowledge has still not yet probed the origin of the cheatin' whore.

 

[Zero]

I don't know whatever the hell you're talking about, but the more you research the better. And many people trick themselves into thinking they're something else.

And I can no longer respect you as a human being. Not that I instinctively respected you (or anyone) anyway, but the chances for you have suffered a significant decrease.

Some days make me die more inside than others.

 

[Zero]

... I'm from the mid-west so...

 

[echoplex]

Eh, well sorry to burden you with my type confusion. In short, I think I just don't know myself very well. I was attempting to explain why I'm confused, but that probably only makes sense to me.

And that's too bad . I'm actually pretty far from being a redneck. I've just been around those kinds of people and places enough to appreciate humor that mocks it. It's like if you've been to the depths of hell, you're going to laugh at a few hell jokes. Sometimes you gotta laugh so you won't cry.

 

[Adamastor]

Eh, well sorry to burden you with my type confusion. In short, I think I just don't know myself very well. I was attempting to explain why I'm confused, but that probably only makes sense to me.

And that's too bad . I'm actually pretty far from being a redneck. I've just been around those kinds of people and places enough to appreciate humor that mocks it. It's like if you've been to the depths of hell, you're going to laugh at a few hell jokes. Sometimes you gotta laugh so you won't cry.

Probably, because I'm quite ignorant about types I really can't figure out if my actions are more toward INTPness or INTJness and I have to say this really irritates me !!! (Though it fun to look through it and wonder about my own behaviour =P)

For example:

Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their robustness, stability, and good communications.

This is so like me, is this uncommon for an INTP?
What confuses me most was:

So, if you're an INTJ, and you express your ideas, you express your conclusions (thinking), based on hunches (Intuition).
If you're an INTP you express you express your theories (Intuition), based on thoughts (thinking). INTPs don't often express conclusion, until we're absolutely convinced of it. Even so, there's always room for improvement.

Could you explain again?

I usually think about something and reach an end (conclusion) and intuition is my auxiliary tool (I can use intuition to start the line of thought or use it when something is missing etc...). I kinda of set a good deal of line of thoughts, select a few (choose what feels more right, intuition is really handy in this case) and start honing it.

I am totally aware that this is not perfect, finished, but if something happens I'll probably review what went wrong, find the flaw, not sure but sounds logical to search first in the intuition parts (try new things maybe) and then search through the thinking structure.

While I am doing this, I too think about another solutions (thinking new solutions and remembering my other line of thoughts) and if its necessary I simply swap the solutions.

Now thinking about it, whenever facing a challenge, problem I think of many pre-solutions and work one out to the end, sometimes I work on the other ways of sorting out the problem, but not always... Is this more INTJ or INTP?

 

[Waterstiller]

I find it interesting how Brian is the closest character to Seth MacFarlane's natural voice. I'd say he's either an ENTP or freakishly confident INTP..

YouTube - Seth MacFarlane on Letterman 3-26-05.

That is all.

Also.. Seth MacFarlane is dreamy. :swoon: