Definition of Me

[Nocturne]

According to some of the myer-briggs indicators (personality tests), I am essentially an INTP. But.... it seems like you guys are alll quite different from me. I don't have tons of brilliant ideas. I only occasionally have conversations in my head. I am not exactly the most confident person on Earth.

Thus, how do you know who you are? Can we be truly defined? How can you be sure that you are not lying to yourself when you state your attributes or skills or etc... ?

Opinions are welcome. Thnx.

 

[thoumyvision]

Ok, I know this is going to sound entirely unhelpful... but you're 14, of course you haven't developed your full self.

Now comes the time when you have to start flexing your Ne. Use it to observe and analyze how your peers act, there is no need to imitate them (any attempt will probably come out quite awkward). Be ok with being the aloof observant one; observational humor can be your best friend if you exercise it with the right people.

Stop slouching and staring at the ground when you walk (I know you do it, we all did when we were teenagers) Make school a time to exercise your Ne, and try and find a few times during the day to recharge your Ti. Through observation of your surroundings you will naturally start to absorb information which will be unconsciously translated into your Ti framework.

INTPs and INTJs are often the ones most considered "late bloomers" because Ti or Ni pared with Te are incredibly satisfying to use without interacting with other people or our environment, so our extroverted functions get neglected. If you want to bloom earlier work to develop your Ne. Be warned: it'll definitely be work, you'll be exhausted when you get home.

 

[Nocturne]

Hmmm... your comment somehow reminds of the thread "Basic Guidelines for Social Success". hehe. Nonetheless, thanks for the advice (???).

 

[A22]

This forum would be really boring if we were all the same.

 

[Solitaire U.]

Ok, I know this is going to sound entirely unhelpful... but you're 14, of course you haven't developed your full self.

Personally, I find your lack of consideration for her privacy, among other things, in blurting out personal information such as her age that she might not entirely appreciate, to be entirely unhelpful at far more massive proportions.

I don't give a shit what she might have revealed elsewhere...that doesn't give you the right to hold her accountable after she decides to express herself apart from it as she did here.

Ironically, I'm undecided what I find more repulsive...your lack of respect for confidentiality or default responses equating to "You're 14 and haven't got a clue..."

 

[GYX_Kid]

Ironically, I'm undecided what I find more repulsive...your lack of respect for confidentiality or default responses equating to "You're 14 and haven't got a clue..."

haha

 

[thoumyvision]

Personally, I find your lack of consideration for her privacy, among other things, in blurting out personal information such as her age that she might not entirely appreciate, to be entirely unhelpful at far more massive proportions.

I don't give a shit what she might have revealed elsewhere...that doesn't give you the right to hold her accountable after she decides to express herself apart from it as she did here.

Ironically, I'm undecided what I find more repulsive...your lack of respect for confidentiality or default responses equating to "You're 14 and haven't got a clue..."

Lol, seriously? Why don't you click on her profile and look at the information she chose to publicly display.

By the way Nocturne, this is a perfect example of poor use of Ne, Solitaire U didn't take the 30 seconds it would have required to look at your profile on this site. He made a judgement without proper data. The fact that you're young is useful information in answering your post.

My point is not that you're young and therefor foolish. My point is that our teenage years are the perfect time to develop Ne; you're in an environment with lots of different types of people and different sources of information. We cannot be brilliant without data, and we're wired to get that data from external sources. We cannot be confident without effective use of our extroverted function. Those were two things you expressed a desire for.

I was a 14 year old INTP once; I was an awkward, off-putting loner. I remember once I was reading a book which was the 7th in a series. A cute girl came up to me and asked me what it was about. I responded that she wouldn't understand because it was the last book in a long series. It was a perfectly logical answer, but she felt I was insulting her intelligence by telling her she wouldn't understand. What I failed to understand was that she wasn't interested in the book, she was interested in me, and what I thought of the book. I ignored crucial bits of information because I didn't understand the purpose for her query in the first place.

Something that took me a long time to come to grips with was the realization that most of my problems in high school were because of me, not because of other people.

 

[digital angel]

Nocturne,

You can be whatever you want to be. You don't have to decide right now; you can have an idea of what you want to be. When I was younger, I wanted to be a veterinarian at one point. I changed my position at various times. Now, I'm a tax attorney(but I also like physics, biology, psychology, finance, economics....).

With respect to personality type, being INTP simply means that we have certain common traits. Having said that, we're individuals, too.

Remember, you have the authority to define yourself. We have free will. So, what are your interests? What do you see yourself as?

 

[Awaken]

1. Be a teenager
2. Do as well as you can in High School so you have options for higher education
3. Seek higher education and explore several subjects. Find a subject matter that does not bore you and could occupy your time without being a chore
4. Pursue said subject. If you already have the skills for an occupation in the subject of interest, great. If not, work hard and learn/obtain them.


Not sure why thoumyvision got slack for his post. He is right. The good thing is you have plenty of time to figure out what you want to do with your life. The bad thing is, you will be an adult before you even realize it and all of the decisions you will make will follow you for the rest of your life. Therefore, keep as many doors open as possible until you know enough about yourself to start narrowing it down and closing doors.

 

[PennyRoyalty]

Being of the same mind state doesn't mean you're going to seem like or act like somebody else. I know quite a few INTPs and while we think similarly, our personalities and the way we carry ourselves are not always the same by any means.

 

[Solitaire U.]

Lol, seriously?...*portion equating to sheer ignorance truncated for clarity*

You're not paying attention. I clearly stated...

I don't give a shit what she might have revealed elsewhere...

...which should have tipped you off that I wasn't calling you out for a debate over whether or not the OP submitted unverifiable/thus/useless personal information. My sole motivation was your exceedingly incompetent misapplication of said information. Perhaps my supporting rationale was a bit sparse...I prefer to leave parameters for that which defies logic undefined and refrain from lengthy elaborations of my points until requests for clarification warrant it. I do not, however, suffer fools so try harder this time to control your urge to brand yourself thus with another blatantly ignorant response.

Your Facebook Industrial Complex protocol does not apply here. Know this...you are currently accessing a realm where personal profiles and their ilk have been only recently added, not in response to core-user demands but rather a perceived need to present a familiar look and feel for social networking migrants. Your misguided assumption that reliance on user-submitted profile information is essential, or indeed holds any significance whatsoever, to communicating effectively, is derived from traditionalist societal principles that are well-known to be deeply flawed. I'll contend with circumventing arbitrarily applied social communication barriers if and when the challenge of communicating with a stereotypically-representative 14 year old girl presents itself in real life. Your contention that no such oppressions exist in real life means nothing to me, so save it. They do indeed apply to all arenas of social interaction where the participants perceive their selves as the only common interest that matters and gauge accomplishment relative to their current head-count of followers. Sound familiar? Yeah, I thought so. Also, consider yourself warned that profile page viewing is strictly optional here and there are legitimate means by which I or anyone else can do so without having our user name appear on the visitor's list. Just thought I'd be helpful and point that out, since even your derogatory defense tactics have a lot of room for improvement.

The oppressions society enforces upon human interaction are as arbitrarily delusional as the vaguely defined justifications maintaining oppressively-defined illusions of necessity. These unequal demographic parameters are the reason why so many real 14 year old girls seem to measure their existence in degrees of isolation, and also the reason why so many others are trapped in a shame-matrix of unrealistic obsessive idealizations over what 14 years old even means. Do not assume it to be an awkward socially-inept Truth simply because you experienced it that way. By patronizing the former (14 year old girl*unconfirmed*) you've pandered to the latter (shame matrix), and in the end when Chris Hansen grants you your 15 minutes of fame on Nightline your true motives will still be totally irrelevant.

Don't drag that mess in here where it doesn't belong.

 

[Solitaire U.]

Not sure why thoumyvision got slack for his post.

Prepare to be liberated from the shackles of confusion. You are the reason why. Your advice to the OP doesn't even acknowledge that her post did, in fact, contain several direct questions, none of which you apparently deemed worthy of a relevant response. Instead, you saw fit to insert a repetition of the same dogmatic promotional bullshit reeking heavily of propaganda that 14 year olds are already bombarded with on a daily basis as the appropriate one-size fits all response for their demographic. Your response was influenced solely by the age reference the other guy made. That is exactly what I'm talking about.

But hey, congratulations, you're in compliance with status quo expectations. Quickly now while there's still time, invoke your option to piss off before anyone has a chance to point out to you that you just provided answers to questions that were never asked.

You've furnished a disgracefully realistic example of '14 and haven't got a clue' that far exceeds what I would have expected. Thank you.

 

[Awaken]

Solitaire U: I see your point. I was indeed influenced by the whole age derailment and did not actually address the real question at hand. However, chill out a little bit. There are more efficient ways.


To Nocturne: I apologize for the tangential turn this thread has taken and the part I have played in it. I often read these threads after 12 hours straight of work, so any derailment was not purposeful on my part. I would edit out my original post but for some reason there is no edit icon under it.

Your definition of who you are will constantly change. Others will try to define you, but I think that it is important to develop the necessary skills to analyze your own actions, tendencies, and traits. I have found introspection to be a very useful method, which is one of the reasons why so many conversations go through my head throughout the day. How do I know if the conclusions from my introspections are accurate? Through subsequent introspection when a previous self assumption I had of myself seems to be untrue. It is a constant process. Beware of being pigeon holed by society, it leaves little room for growth.

 

[Solitaire U.]

Copy that, and apologies as well...I banged out the response to you while I was still hyped up on nastiness from responding to the other guy. I should have taken a detox break in between posts, and I'll try to be mindful of that in the future.

 

[Nocturne]

Hmmm... rather inspirational, peoples! lol.