Deep, “intellectual” conversations

[Pizzabeak]

Is nature the only topic to discuss?

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

I’m undecided on this one

 

[Pizzabeak]

I’m undecided on this one

Girls are attracted to uglier guys that are of low “intelligence”, “IQ”, or are just stupid/more stupid than them.

Studies have shown women are attracted to less attractive males.

It’s a societal trap.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

Girls are attracted to machiavellian traits and risky social behavior, especially if it as the expense of other men. Now if you can do those in combination – boy oh boy.

Obviously what they say about what they find attractive would be the opposite – they want a kind man who is considerate of other people etc etc, we can forget all about that.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

And btw I'm not complaining, these are true and tried methods by yours truly

 

[Pizzabeak]

Girls are attracted to machiavellian traits and risky social behavior, especially if it as the expense of other men. Now if you can do those in combination – boy oh boy.

Obviously what they say about what they find attractive would be the opposite – they want a kind man who is considerate of other people etc etc, we can forget all about that.

It isn’t “changing cultural values” even if people argue that it’s always been that way in some form. They could be attracted to princely qualities as a means but not an end.

I’m not really that busy, so to speak. It isn’t much to take time out from what you were doing to confront a problem that arose.

Girls like when there’s a connection, casual or not. Through that, people say it isn’t about looks, sense of humor, how much money you have, or skin color. Most connections are who you dissed, or who else you dated. A red flag is when the guy a girl is dating is rude to waiters on purpose in restaurants where they’re eating, indicating a violent temperament.

 

[Black Rose]

Every person has their compatible opposite match. It's not about this or that stereotype. Girls will find guys manly and Guys will find girls attractive based on those features that come across to them as such. There is someone out there for anyone is not just a phase. If you are a certain type of guy, in general, there is a girl that will like you the way you are and you will like them the way they are. It's about sharing looks and personality. All things equal you get along fine. I once found a person like that who was a match. But circumstances happened. They found me attractive and I found them attractive. I am not exactly the bad boy type. They simply liked who I am.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

A red flag is when the guy a girl is dating is rude to waiters on purpose in restaurants where they’re eating, indicating a violent temperament.

being rude to waiters is the lowest form of asshole-ism. It's the waiter's job to be nice to you, so there's no skin in the game to insult them. Classy asshole-ism is when one has something to lose.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

Every person has their compatible opposite match. It's not about this or that stereotype. Girls will find guys manly and Guys will find girls attractive based on those features that come across to them as such. There is someone out there for anyone is not just a phase. If you are a certain type of guy, in general, there is a girl that will like you the way you are and you will like them the way they are. It's about sharing looks and personality. All things equal you get along fine. I once found a person like that who was a match. But circumstances happened. They found me attractive and I found them attractive. I am not exactly the bad boy type. They simply liked who I am.

although this is true, this philosophy leaves everything to chance. Like you said.. you found this "once"

 

[Black Rose]

although this is true, this philosophy leaves everything to chance. Like you said.. you found this "once"

It's harder for some personality types to find each than other personality types which find it easier to find each other. The majority simply have more options. (compatibility bell curve) Outliers have difficulties in finding a match.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

although this is true, this philosophy leaves everything to chance. Like you said.. you found this "once"

It's harder for some personality types to find each than other personality types which find it easier to find each other. The majority simply have more options. (compatibility bell curve) Outliers have difficulties in finding a match.

doesn't that mean it becomes even more important to understand what is generally, or on average, more attractive?

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

There seems to be the assumption that if one is looking for a soulmate, that soulmate must be an exception to all biological idiosyncrasies of the human species as a whole

 

[Black Rose]

outside the average things become freakish and harder to make compatible

but it is easier for the minority to blend into the majority that with each other

 

[Black Rose]

The girl was a quiet perceptive person, she just stared into your soul. I am sure we could have had deep conversations together. Knowing the other person is important for it to last. She looked at me so quiet as if she knew exactly who I was.

You know what they say: look out for the quiet ones.

 

[Minuend]

Girls are attracted to uglier guys that are of low “intelligence”, “IQ”, or are just stupid/more stupid than them.

Studies have shown women are attracted to less attractive males.
[/QUOTE]

Aren't the males who girls seek the more attractive ones? If women are not going after "attractive" males, then by what definition are they attractive?

Girls are attracted to machiavellian traits and risky social behavior, especially if it as the expense of other men. Now if you can do those in combination – boy oh boy.

Obviously what they say about what they find attractive would be the opposite – they want a kind man who is considerate of other people etc etc, we can forget all about that.

Oh my. There's no delusion here, I'm attracted to intelligent men with a sense of humor and being able to make fun of themselves (and me) and that's what I have. The only time my bf is "rude" to others is when meeting confrontative shit holes or other people who are acting like shit (which is rare). Which I'm very fine with, defending people who are being bullied or taking a stance against unreasonable people is a good thing in my eyes

There are women who are just like you, serac. They think men unworthy and vapid. You just need to match with them and you can have a happy ending.

Or you can keep on thinking you're a special snowflake and no woman like yourself exists and you can use whatever reason you want to fuel your dislike for everyone and anyone. I mean, that works too. Probably comes with some kewl wallpapers and a isolating sound track which may or may not encourage self cutting.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

@Minuend what's next, you're gonna say I have a small dick or some other cliche nonsense that women throw my way anytime I challenge prevailing female narratives about attraction? I've been out there, lady, I've seen reality. Reality is not a romantic comedy, it's not always what people want it to be. And it's especially not what women purport it to be. And that's not about any negative view of women, I don't believe women are "vapid". It's just that I believe attraction comes first and everything else later. And attraction is biological, it's not something you can plan out like you plan out your career. When people talk about what they want, that's usually a very vague approximation – at best – of what they actually want and what they end up taking, and that's true for both men and women.

 

[Minuend]

@Minuend what's next, you're gonna say I have a small dick or some other cliche nonsense that women throw my way anytime I challenge prevailing female narratives about attraction? I've been out there, lady, I've seen reality. Reality is not a romantic comedy, it's not always what people want it to be. And it's especially not what women purport it to be. And that's not about any negative view of women, I don't believe women are "vapid". It's just that I believe attraction comes first and everything else later. And attraction is biological, it's not something you can plan out like you plan out your career. When people talk about what they want, that's usually a very vague approximation – at best – of what they actually want and what they end up taking, and that's true for both men and women.

Of course I'm gonna say you have a tiny dick, what's the purpose of life if not just waiting for the opportunity to say that to you? My life is incomplete unless I get to say men have tiny dicks regularly.

Obviously life is not a romantic comedy, you have to get honest with the person you like to reach a level of understanding and appreciation. Only by understanding how each other is fucked up, you'll be able to build a solid relationship. If you expect your dream lady to fall into your laps without engaging emotionally or offering anything of your real self, you're gonna have a hard time. If you constantly go to women opposite of you, or with radically different values, you're gonna have a hard time.

You seem to be the one with the errounous beliefs that the right woman should appear in your lap. The right woman is very difficult to find for most. Same with the right man. You are confusing a small pool of women being compatible with you, with rules and laws of nature. Just because you as a deviant (not negative or positive, just the way it is, like with most of intpforumers) have difficulty finding someone, doesn't mean that's nature.

 

[Black Rose]

After meeting that person I have like a 6th sense when it comes to people like her. I had a therapist once who was of her type. I know it's not easy finding people like her but I do not expect them to fall in my lap. I just have to go off a chance encounter. If they are the right one I will know it. I am to shy not to know. I just need to go out more and meet people.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

There really isn't a point talking to Serac Minuend. He isn't interested in equal relationships of any kind. He wants to operate from a point of power and with dubious ethics. The 'othering' he compulsively engages in is to facilitate this.

I'm not making accusations, but given his mentality would you be surprised if he has at some point raped or committed crimes against the people he denigrates? Of course not. He's at a significantly higher risk of these behaviors than the average person, and this is obvious from simple self-disclosure. He's constructed his worldview to support distinctly anti-social premises. So really... What's point is there in engaging directly with people like him as if they are capable of operating in a prosocial or rational way? Their worldview is inherently self-serving at the expense of others.

Now I'm sure you're pissed Serac, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for honestly informing you about the image that you present to people; as someone who will absolutely do terrible things given the opportunity and if they think they can get away with it. Now go find some like-minded fools and go fuel your entitled rage boners together. Cheers!

 

[Minuend]

I guess ): He says things that are easily argued against, though, it's perfect for a drunken state argument or so. What else am I to do with my time?

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

@Adaire I like the kind of lingual gymnastics you had to perform there in order to say the sort of crazy shit you wanted to say yet not make it explicit. It's very well-crafted, but unfortunately for you I've dealt with much worse before, and that was IRL. I'm sure these tactics work well for you usually, but to me it's just a source of entertaiment. I literally lol'ed when I read your post.

 

[Volstar]

Once I was in love with someone who wasn't me. It hurted.
Pizza I think every person is looking for something different. The other day I met a very boring normal girl who was with a very normal boring guy, they were a good match. I was dating a girl who was looking for someone with an steady job and who took her to interesting events. It wasn't my thing because I don't like to plan my adventures, and she's very bunisess oriented or smth. And about narratives that serac talks about, I just don't go there, if I start noticing an ideology or some cliche type of thinking I turn away from the person cuz they are wasting my time. I remember what nanook said about stages of self development, we are just not in the same place.
Anyways,
I think my exgfs were pretty intelligent In a way I am not and they were very curious about me, like they were in a lab. Sounds kinda weird. and they said I was magical, like most of them. I say any advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic. So that's that. I consider myself very direct and introverted and I don't even know how I got them despite what I might look like on the net. I'm pretty antisocial. I'm not super ugly but also not super handsome. But a few girls did call me handsome despite my awful teeth. Ive been called handsome on the street. And on the metro. Went to bed with one of these girls. So pizza. Haters gonna hate. No matter the gender.

 

[Volstar]

Hahahahhha

 

[Volstar]

I just realized this thread was called smth different to the relationship drama u r always talking about.
Guys get a private room. Serac and adaire. Minuend and pizza. And her bf lol

 

[Minuend]

Actually my bf is the pizza

 

[Hadoblado]

The only thing worth discussing is sexual and intellectual insecurity.

 

[Black Rose]

The only thing worth discussing is sexual and intellectual insecurity.

I will never have sex.
My IQ is not high enough to do real work.
peaches and muffins

 

[Pizzabeak]

Aren't the males who girls seek the more attractive ones? If women are not going after "attractive" males, then by what definition are they attractive?

So looks don’t matter?

@Minuend what's next, you're gonna say I have a small dick or some other cliche nonsense that women throw my way anytime I challenge prevailing female narratives about attraction? I've been out there, lady, I've seen reality. Reality is not a romantic comedy, it's not always what people want it to be. And it's especially not what women purport it to be. And that's not about any negative view of women, I don't believe women are "vapid". It's just that I believe attraction comes first and everything else later. And attraction is biological, it's not something you can plan out like you plan out your career. When people talk about what they want, that's usually a very vague approximation – at best – of what they actually want and what they end up taking, and that's true for both men and women.

Tacism?

 

[Pizzabeak]

*Racism?

 

[Pizzabeak]

Knowledge and information are sometimes used to improve or modify behavior, perhaps from other people’s perspective, from the mundane.

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

#serac derangement syndrome

 

[lightfire]

Whether ugly or beautiful or stupid or intelligent, people can be in relationships. Wow such shock

 

[Pizzabeak]

There really isn't a point talking to Serac Minuend. He isn't interested in equal relationships of any kind. He wants to operate from a point of power and with dubious ethics. The 'othering' he compulsively engages in is to facilitate this.

I'm not making accusations, but given his mentality would you be surprised if he has at some point raped or committed crimes against the people he denigrates? Of course not. He's at a significantly higher risk of these behaviors than the average person, and this is obvious from simple self-disclosure. He's constructed his worldview to support distinctly anti-social premises. So really... What's point is there in engaging directly with people like him as if they are capable of operating in a prosocial or rational way? Their worldview is inherently self-serving at the expense of others.

Now I'm sure you're pissed Serac, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for honestly informing you about the image that you present to people; as someone who will absolutely do terrible things given the opportunity and if they think they can get away with it. Now go find some like-minded fools and go fuel your entitled rage boners together. Cheers!

Sounds good
What if he haunts dreams, can he be talked to then?

 

[Puffy]

I think it's likely that you can look at trends and patterns to identify what kind of traits people tend to find attractive.

I'm just unsure what weight that's worth having in any individual's consideration of their own relationships. As all relationships are the pairing of two individuals fundamentally. I'm not really concerned with a hypothetical attractive partner, but someone of mutual and interdependent "chemistry" -- needs, desires, attractiveness, personality, history, sexuality, etc etc. Which can only be about me and that person, not a statistical pool.

You could say "I am machiavellian" and I attract women therefore women are attracted to machiavellians. But your sample size is people who are attracted to you (who may be for different or even potentially unhealthy reasons) and doesn't factor all the people who don't find you attractive for those traits. Such as the actual, rather than hypothetical, women in this thread.

Generalisations like "all wo/men like x", "all wo/men don't like x" are crap for the most part. If that statement follows with "therefore I can't find anyone", then you're setting yourself up for self-delusion. As the common factor in that equation isn't "all wo/men" it's actually you. And is indicative that you're struggling in that area because of your own personal obstacles.

You can continue blaming the "other" and through entrenched resentment further distance yourself from them. Or you can take an honest look at yourself and what's holding you back and have a better chance of enjoying a healthy relationship. You can never change other people. You can only change yourself.

 

[Minuend]

So looks don’t matter?

That's an erroneous conclusion from what I said. If attractive = what people seek, then your phrasing is wrong.

For instance. If you say being dumb is not attractive, but studies show women seek dumb males, then isn't dumb males by definition attractive to women? So they ARE attractive.
That was my point.

That being said, I think the more intelligent population, the more important social perception and awareness is, which is tied to intelligence, but not always. If you come off as emotionally cut off, deviant from the emotional norm, deviant from behaving "correctly" socially, you will struggle getting a date from most women. Which is logical and probably the most safe choice for women. Deviancy often comes with traits harmful, destructive or dangerous to women, to being able to scan for them is efficient and more safe as a survival mechanism for women. If you are deviant in a good way, you might still be rejected because your deviancy is perceived as any other deviancy associated with that harmful to women. You're being rejected as a fail safe.

You are being very ego centric in your perception and you are not being understanding of how other people have to and learn how to live their lives to avoid disaster and other shitty stuff. Understanding people is a highly complex mental process in which people (including myself) have huge limitations in. The only thing people can do, is trying to avoid behavior with the largest correlation with unwanted behavior. Unfortunately, sometimes good people are screened away because their behavior is too similar to that which will be destructive or hurtful. And usually, that's preferable to them being abused.

 

[ZenRaiden]

There are very many ways people relate although there are some inherent formats that are true to most people. More importantly people and attraction is subject to same kind of fomrating although there things we call fetishes which sometimes can be considered a wildcard. A person can like something about someone for no clear reason. Like guys liking women with short hair. Or women liking bald guys. Perhaps short guys. Sometimes fat women. Guys with big eyebrows or whatever. Main stream attraction is sort of for people who dont have any sort of weird fetish, but people with fetish, can perhaps find attracting anything.

 

[Volstar]

There are very many ways people relate although there are some inherent formats that are true to most people. More importantly people and attraction is subject to same kind of fomrating although there things we call fetishes which sometimes can be considered a wildcard. A person can like something about someone for no clear reason. Like guys liking women with short hair. Or women liking bald guys. Perhaps short guys. Sometimes fat women. Guys with big eyebrows or whatever. Main stream attraction is sort of for people who dont have any sort of weird fetish, but people with fetish, can perhaps find attracting anything.

The internet has made the big eyebrows thing smth relevant. Probably out of jealousy. Surely part of the reason Billie eilish is so famous. Irl I only get compliments about em. I had one girlfriend who sucked on them. It wasn't a fetish tho. More like her eyebrows weren't very dense so she would use a marker to paint them on. But she was very hot. I actually never cared about this kinda thing. You like someone or you don't. The ones who go around pointing to deviations from the average are the average and that's their purpose in society. Perhaps some people are not able to percieve things like shape, length, curvature, etc. So they just call it thick cuz they don't understand expression.
Artists are the very opposite, often attemtping to show a particular kind of beauty.

 

[QuickTwist]

Women's deepest desire is to be with a confident, assertive but gentle man who is reasonable with aggression, namely, aggression has its place, but if it doesn't need to be done it doesn't need to be done. Any women that doesn't want to be with a man like this probably has something wrong with her in one way or another (but we all have something wrong with us, let's be honest). Being charming and making her laugh doesn't hurt your chances. Muscles are there just to illustrate you can take care of business, but only the most shallow women go after guys just for their looks unless it's a package deal like a harley-biker-guy or something. Also, women like dad bod's.

 

[Puffy]

Women's deepest desire is to be with a confident, assertive but gentle man who is reasonable with aggression, namely, aggression has its place, but if it doesn't need to be done it doesn't need to be done. Any women that doesn't want to be with a man like this probably has something wrong with her in one way or another (but we all have something wrong with us, let's be honest). Being charming and making her laugh doesn't hurt your chances. Muscles are there just to illustrate you can take care of business, but only the most shallow women go after guys just for their looks unless it's a package deal like a harley-biker-guy or something. Also, women like dad bod's.

Could you give examples of what constitutes reasonable aggression, out of curiosity?

 

[QuickTwist]

There really isn't a point talking to Serac Minuend. He isn't interested in equal relationships of any kind. He wants to operate from a point of power and with dubious ethics. The 'othering' he compulsively engages in is to facilitate this.

I'm not making accusations, but given his mentality would you be surprised if he has at some point raped or committed crimes against the people he denigrates? Of course not. He's at a significantly higher risk of these behaviors than the average person, and this is obvious from simple self-disclosure. He's constructed his worldview to support distinctly anti-social premises. So really... What's point is there in engaging directly with people like him as if they are capable of operating in a prosocial or rational way? Their worldview is inherently self-serving at the expense of others.

Now I'm sure you're pissed Serac, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for honestly informing you about the image that you present to people; as someone who will absolutely do terrible things given the opportunity and if they think they can get away with it. Now go find some like-minded fools and go fuel your entitled rage boners together. Cheers!

You're a hippy and a comy at the same time, did you know that? Listen to this:


Now I'm sure you are pissed, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for honestly informing you about the image that you present to the people. I'm sure you would do terrible things given the chance, and that's really too bad because it shows you are bitter and unhappy.

Now, please listen to the lyrics in this song:

 

[QuickTwist]

Women's deepest desire is to be with a confident, assertive but gentle man who is reasonable with aggression, namely, aggression has its place, but if it doesn't need to be done it doesn't need to be done. Any women that doesn't want to be with a man like this probably has something wrong with her in one way or another (but we all have something wrong with us, let's be honest). Being charming and making her laugh doesn't hurt your chances. Muscles are there just to illustrate you can take care of business, but only the most shallow women go after guys just for their looks unless it's a package deal like a harley-biker-guy or something. Also, women like dad bod's.

Could you give examples of what constitutes reasonable aggression, out of curiosity?

Sure.

 

[Volstar]

Women's deepest desire is to be with a confident, assertive but gentle man who is reasonable with aggression, namely, aggression has its place, but if it doesn't need to be done it doesn't need to be done. Any women that doesn't want to be with a man like this probably has something wrong with her in one way or another (but we all have something wrong with us, let's be honest). Being charming and making her laugh doesn't hurt your chances. Muscles are there just to illustrate you can take care of business, but only the most shallow women go after guys just for their looks unless it's a package deal like a harley-biker-guy or something. Also, women like dad bod's.

Could you give examples of what constitutes reasonable aggression, out of curiosity?

Sure.

"u touch her over my dead body
run."
this is the kind of man i wanna marry"

sounds like wishful thinking to me.

about the old man parable:
i would run or let her do the job 10/10 times (i mean she's a martial artist, she surely can handle the situation) we have to adapt to the times
more power to them
but if i had to, i would probably try to ease down the situation by talking to the guys, a negotiation, and if it's not working i would run. last option would be to actually fight using my environment. if there's no environment because the news are not reporting about the amazonian forest fires then i'll just try to go berserk on them and hope for the best.

i'm very sure qt that there's a woman out there who doesn't require you to be terminator nor the saviour of the amazonian forest.

 

[QuickTwist]

we have to adapt to the times

What exactly do you mean by this?

 

[Puffy]

Women's deepest desire is to be with a confident, assertive but gentle man who is reasonable with aggression, namely, aggression has its place, but if it doesn't need to be done it doesn't need to be done. Any women that doesn't want to be with a man like this probably has something wrong with her in one way or another (but we all have something wrong with us, let's be honest). Being charming and making her laugh doesn't hurt your chances. Muscles are there just to illustrate you can take care of business, but only the most shallow women go after guys just for their looks unless it's a package deal like a harley-biker-guy or something. Also, women like dad bod's.

Could you give examples of what constitutes reasonable aggression, out of curiosity?

Sure.

Just asking as I wasn't sure if reasonable aggression included any form of aggression towards your partner or not. From this video I'm guessing you mean the
willingness & ability to protect your partner from external threats.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

people seem confused about masculinity nowadays. Seems that if you’re not serving your testicles on a plate, you’re under suspicion of engaging in domestic abuse and rape.

 

[Volstar]

we have to adapt to the times

What exactly do you mean by this?

it was more like a joke. i don't mean you have to be less masculine, i just think you have to be aware of the current state of the world and try to adapt to the requirements. for example, in a job interview for a cultural organization where you'll be working with refugees avoid punk tshirts or shaving your head in case you are pale white.


or maybe just do like this guy. run. run. run

 

[Volstar]

btw it's amazing how he avoided all the dogs and most of the people in those farms.

 

[Polaris]

The only thing worth discussing is sexual and intellectual insecurity.

Men's deepest desire is to fucktheirmum

 

[Puffy]

There really isn't a point talking to Serac Minuend. He isn't interested in equal relationships of any kind. He wants to operate from a point of power and with dubious ethics. The 'othering' he compulsively engages in is to facilitate this.

I'm not making accusations, but given his mentality would you be surprised if he has at some point raped or committed crimes against the people he denigrates? Of course not. He's at a significantly higher risk of these behaviors than the average person, and this is obvious from simple self-disclosure. He's constructed his worldview to support distinctly anti-social premises. So really... What's point is there in engaging directly with people like him as if they are capable of operating in a prosocial or rational way? Their worldview is inherently self-serving at the expense of others.

Now I'm sure you're pissed Serac, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for honestly informing you about the image that you present to people; as someone who will absolutely do terrible things given the opportunity and if they think they can get away with it. Now go find some like-minded fools and go fuel your entitled rage boners together. Cheers!

You're a hippy and a comy at the same time, did you know that? Listen to this:


Now I'm sure you are pissed, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for honestly informing you about the image that you present to the people. I'm sure you would do terrible things given the chance, and that's really too bad because it shows you are bitter and unhappy.

Now, please listen to the lyrics in this song:

You're a gibbering moron who can only express himself by parroting the videos and views of others as he is incapable of original thought or participating in an intelligible conversation. Listen to this:


Now I'm sure you are pissed, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for honestly informing you about the image that you present to the people, as you seem to not mind doling out insults yourself.

I wonder if this constitutes reasonable aggression.

 

[QuickTwist]

You're a gibbering moron who can only express himself by parroting the videos and views of others as he is incapable of original thought or participating in an intelligible conversation.

Why did you change tenses? Do you really think that low of me?