Decided I need new friends.

[_intp]

So, hello everyone. I'm quite obnoxious and intellectually relentless. Used to be an INTJ, then I got depressed and read philosophy. This resulted in more depression and a brand spanking new MBTI result. I'm temporarily an ENTP with the right cocktail of stimulants, however.

I'm apparently extra strange to people in real life/online and they think I should be institutionalized.

 

[Sir Eus Lee]

Cool beans. How dost thou doest?

What philosopher or argument was/is your favorite?

 

[StevenM]

Greetings.

How does one become considered so strange that he should be institutionalized, ... in new york?

 

[Architect]

I wish I could change type so easily.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Hit us. Whatcha got?

I'm apparently extra strange to people in real life/online and they think I should be institutionalized.

Sup?

 

[Pyropyro]

Welcome _intp

I wish I could change type so easily.

Unfortunately only the young ones can do that

 

[Utility Creep]

Welcome, I hope you make better "friends" here. Good luck

 

[_intp]

Cool beans. How dost thou doest?

What philosopher or argument was/is your favorite?

The first thing I read about was metaphysics and the meaning of shapes and platonic objects. I was trying to think about the world in terms of spatial coordination accompanied by daydreaming.

I just remember learning about the philosophy behind suicide, bioethics, and then naturally, the meaning of life. This quickly morphed into an existentialist investigation. So I read Nietzsche and really tried to determine my mode of living...I remained on the couch and read about Machiavellian thought processes (I'll have a separate thread on this, later.) when I was in "ENTP" or "CEO" mode—it seemed to be the only thing that motivated me, especially because this was the time that the economic meltdown started. I saw what the bankers got away with, in awe.

These days it is a complex mix of absurdism, acceptance of mortality, and a quiet, somewhat inhibited sense of entrepreneurship as an introvert. So that's where I'm at in a nutshell.

P.S. By acceptance, I target humanity as a whole. I became very disillusioned after I understood the implication of Godelian incompleteness and the near pointlessness of abstract math that I was studying.

UGH! Maybe you can see how this kept me in a depressed state as Godelian implications directly contended with my existentialist views.

Threw that 7 year old couch out, last week by the way.

Good times, yeah, but good riddance, evermore.

 

[_intp]

Greetings.

How does one become considered so strange that he should be institutionalized, ... in new york?

Because I think about very absurd things. But not only that—I'm quite random about it. You know how some people say things like, "Oh I want to go skydiving one day." See I'll say that exact thing and actually do it the day that I say it. Perhaps I do things on a whim. But I've come to find that once I defenestrated my Christian belief system, I was missing out on life. So I expressed myself by drawing absurd things, coming up with bizarre but plausible theories and waking up, saying things like, "I'm going to do something crazy today." Didn't think I'd jump out of a plane until someone first planted the idea in me.

So maybe I have a mild impulse control problem. I've never done anything stupid like spend all of my money pushing homelessness. But I've traded the market, both winning and losing.

Honestly, I live no where near how I'd like to. I'm building/bootstrapping a start up and coding my iOS App everyday so I can really have that freedom. You know, so that I actually have a say in the matter—which is where my real problem lies....

 

[_intp]

I wish I could change type so easily.

It takes so much out of me when I ENTP all over the place with a though or an idea—but I like it because I actually get things done and I never take no for an answer when I'm impeded. When I get home from stuff like that, I want to see no one. Human contact or knowing a physical presence is near me, is damn near painful.

But the transition from INTJ to INTP....my whole perspective about the world changed. If you will, I was, perhaps still am, grieving a philosophical belief system.

I mean, there I was on a couch, knee deep in debt. And I could think about was philosophy? Well no...actually all I could think about was suicide, which led to the number one emotional question that humans ask: "Why?"

But yeah, I hear you. I wish these changes came easy as well...ENTJump my way to the top of whatever I set my eyes on.

 

[_intp]

Hit us. Whatcha got?

Sup?

Oh I'm sure you'll find a way to tease it out of me.

And thanks for the cat. I love cats.

You know, it's funny I can be ruthless at times—utterly lack empathy, but you show me a cat and I'm as soft as Church Music. It's as if my brain short circuits and cuteness overwhelms it. I get into this bizarre trance almost.

If I could create AI, I'd create a trigger that (excuse my ego) mimics my neural circuitry that fizzes on the site of something I'd unlikely....I feel warm and fuzzy right now.....something that I'd unlikely care about, either in a state of rage, or vigorous intellectualization of things or picking apart arguments, playing devil's advocate, near trolling. I really wonder why that happens...it's like I become an utter 5 year old instantly.

Meow you know why.

 

[_intp]

Welcome _intp



Unfortunately only the young ones can do that

I would say this is true only if you have established a real routine in life and you cannot deviate from it. Otherwise, who has the time to take that risk other than psychopathic personalities. The P is strong anyway you poke it.

 

[_intp]

Welcome, I hope you make better "friends" here. Good luck

Thanks, I will need it. I often burn out for no reason in any social situation and isolate myself every now and then. Don't know what that fickleness is. Everything is so...up and down for me.

Your handle made me smile for some reason.

 

[vlassicisgood]

I've also been intellectually relentless, then I realized that -in my situation-, I'm actually just a patronizing jerk to a lot of people. Then I felt bad about it and kept my relentlessness in my head a little more. Then I had more friends! Then I realized I didn't like them anyway. Lol.

 

[emmabobary]

Have you read about psychoanalisis? Zizek perhaps? You might find it interesting

 

[Grayman]

So, hello everyone. I'm quite obnoxious and intellectually relentless. Used to be an INTJ, then I got depressed and read philosophy. This resulted in more depression and a brand spanking new MBTI result. I'm temporarily an ENTP with the right cocktail of stimulants, however.

I'm apparently extra strange to people in real life/online and they think I should be institutionalized.

Institutionalized....We'll stick you in the institution of marriage. That will fix all your problems.

 

[_intp]

Have you read about psychoanalisis? Zizek perhaps? You might find it interesting

I know it's going to sound stupid, but I just cannot get over the fact that Zizek sounds like he is about to hurl a wad of spit, every sentence. It's utterly distracting. This is exactly why I took to reading his work when I was first introduced to his thought processes only about 3 months ago. And yes, he is interesting—I often feel that we are long overdue for modern thinkers to advance the subspace left by the result of the new technological era that we are in.

 

[_intp]

I've also been intellectually relentless, then I realized that -in my situation-, I'm actually just a patronizing jerk to a lot of people. Then I felt bad about it and kept my relentlessness in my head a little more. Then I had more friends! Then I realized I didn't like them anyway. Lol.

I think that when it comes to the articles of introspection, we have a tendency to look to deep, fascinating, necessarily complex topics as the language that we speak. I think that there is this tendency to want to look outward into the world with this new fangled vision. However, the more and more we look to certain ideals and concepts in society, we will find, oftentimes, we are alone in that progression of thought. A word that comes to my mind is....transmogrification.


Thanks for the cat.

 

[_intp]

Institutionalized....We'll stick you in the institution of marriage. That will fix all your problems.

Aw man, the government is already too close for comfort and takes my money on a whim's notice. Bah, maybe said domestication won't be so bad as long I continue to chant that, "I am free."

 

[Architect]

I wish I could change type so easily.

The ironic point seems to have been missed; you don't change type. All that can change is your belief in what type you are, and how you express your type.

 

[The Gopher]

The ironic point seems to have been missed; you don't change type. All that can change is your belief in what type you are, and how you express your type.

Conveniently the latest type is always the correct one all along, allows for you to be always right. I'm so glad I finally found out I'm an ENTP with heavy Se tendencies.

 

[Architect]

Conveniently the latest type is always the correct one all along, allows for you to be always right.

No, that's just bravado in the face of an uncertain answer.

 

[_intp]

The ironic point seems to have been missed; you don't change type. All that can change is your belief in what type you are, and how you express your type.

I think, it's not so black and white, but ironically it is..?

What immediately comes to mind is when I answer a question on the test about who I am currently. I don't think it matters what I believe in the end, I have an innate proclivity to the theoretical—I've always had this.

If what you asserting is: well that cannot be true 100% of the time because there are times where I thought practically, then in this instance, to me it's a rather negligible point.

But those are the mechanics. I guess it really doesn't matter. If I were sold on MBTI theory, I might be shattered.

My own result is a notion of a my own inactivity...regarding certain things, perhaps.

 

[emmabobary]

I know it's going to sound stupid, but I just cannot get over the fact that Zizek sounds like he is about to hurl a wad of spit, every sentence. It's utterly disturbing. This is exactly why I took to reading his work when I was first introduced to his thought processes only about 3 months ago. And yes, he is interesting—I often feel that we are long overdue for modern thinkers to advance the subspace left by the result of the new technological era that we are in.

Hahaha didn't sound stupid. It's actually funny I find his accent is close to Spanish accent which makes it easier for me to understand what's he saying. Plus I dig his gestures.

I don't think we're missing too much as long as we don't pretend to stand with the last word. Sometimes I choose to think not everyone can be critical and aware of their sourrundings. Its kind of a special job to actually question our situation, get the information right. Those are also the times when I seriously think of becoming the next Napoleon, and become a big fan of ilustrated absolutism....
...."and so on, and so on". :v

 

[Peripheral Visionary]

Instead of finding new friends, consider that you might become a better friend to the people you already know.

Just saying.

 

[_intp]

Instead of finding new friends, consider that you might become a better friend to the people you already know.

Just saying.

You're absolutely right. I have. It's just that I have some expectations from friendships. Like giving a crap about me as much as I do them.

I hate to sound elite but I cannot find real intellectual stimulation. Taking gifted classes has spoiled me because it is not a representation of the real world.

I cannot ask for a relentless intellectual curiosity from my friends so I need to find it elsewhere.


I always wanted that friend who would bother me a 3AM because of some crazy idea or dream that they can't stop thinking about...It's just non existent and summarily depressing to me.

Einstein had Godel, Newton had his housemate, Maxwell had Faraday. I have nothing.

 

[ummidk]

No, that's just bravado in the face of an uncertain answer.

Now who's missing the irony?

 

[Peripheral Visionary]

You're absolutely right. I have. It's just that I have some expectations from friendships. Like giving a crap about me as much as I do them.

My experience with other INTP's is that when in their youth they can be highly self-centered and self-involved. I went through it myself. It sounds like you are going through an obsession with philosophy and are dying to talk about it relentlessly with someone. The problem is that even those in your immediate vicinity who could be rich resources of stimulation might not share your particular obsession of the moment.

I have a hard time believing you can't find ANYONE that has what you seek unless you live in an extremely small town, or an area straight out of "Deliverance."

Go back and check to make sure you are actually giving a crap about them as much as you think. And ask someone you trust to give a straight answer: Am I a big jerk?

If the answer is yes, then stop being a jerk.

Oh course, that is a big intuitive leap, so I may be way off.

 

[_intp]

My experience with other INTP's is that when in their youth they can be highly self-centered and self-involved. I went through it myself. It sounds like you are going through an obsession with philosophy and are dying to talk about it relentlessly with someone. The problem is that even those in your immediate vicinity who could be rich resources of stimulation might not share your particular obsession of the moment.

I have a hard time believing you can't find ANYONE that has what you seek unless you live in an extremely small town, or an area straight out of "Deliverance."

Go back and check to make sure you are actually giving a crap about them as much as you think. And ask someone you trust to give a straight answer: Am I a big jerk?

If the answer is yes, then stop being a jerk.

Oh course, that is a big intuitive leap, so I may be way off.

I don't know, I was a bit different when I was a child. I remember walking up to some classmates to show them this beautiful geometric shape. I was shunned and rejected as weird. Or that one time I meditated. I always tried to share and part take in the joys of others.

Ostracized even today, I have a highly emotional form of Music/mathematical synesthesia and I cry when I see certain equations in quantum field theory or very particular strings of numbers—how can anyone sane identify with or be patient with that???

New York City is more private than you'd think. Combine that with rich and you have very exclusive circles—even at the universities, which I'm long past.

I think you might be off with the philosophy thing as I find this to be more of fine-tuned, navigation system to life for however long its spark can remain the cynosure rather than the necessity for a conversation point. Would be nice, sure.

I've triple checked with those around me. I've literally never fit in and no one has ever "gotten" me. Like does anyone in the world desire a real connection?

So...my latest mistake was joining clubs like Mensa in desperation. It was quite a fascinating let down.

Sometimes in really dark times... I just look down at my phone contacts, skype, and FB and I'm all like, "Fuck..."

And then so suddenly, walking about the great lawn of Princeton, Godel had Einstein—denizens of the map for humanity.

 

[Peripheral Visionary]

Well, the dirty little secret of Mensa is that it was founded back when Eugenics was still in vogue among most academics and business leaders. It's really a glorified hook-up society. I'm not surprised it was a let down.

I have a friend who is a Mensa refugee that started a society for people who want to talk about something besides ball games and sit-com plots. It started with great fanfare, but then quickly dwindled. However, he did make three very good friends from it. So mission accomplished.

In a city the size of New York, there are other people like you. Chances are some of them have started meet-up groups. If not, start one yourself.