Crisis of Moral Standards

[Cognisant]

Woke people have no moral standards and it's blatantly evident in their hypocrisy.

A co-worker of mine who is woke and pro-immigration because, in her words, we have a duty to the world, in almost the same breath complained about homeless people living in a van near her house. They're not being loud or leaving trash or doing anything to disturb anyone around them but just the fact that they are THERE is a problem for her because it makes her uncomfortable.

See these people talk about morality and try to enforce moral standards on others, but they have no moral standards, the very idea of moral standards is repulsive to them, they see it as an infringement by society upon their personal freedom and yet they are perfectly happy to try and enforce moral standards upon society.

But it doesn't come from a place of morality, it's purely driven by emotion and self interest, I can't even say it's entirely out of self interest because they don't consider the ramifications of their own actions, they will literally advocate for frivolous government spending on feel-good social programs and then have the audacity to complain when their taxes go up.

Or advocating for violent criminals to be release and receive more leniency, and how the police are dangerous and need to be de-funded, and then complain that women are being attacked on the street by violent criminals and how it's becoming too dangerous to go out at night.

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I find it fascinating how the depictions of the five monkeys experiment always present the monkeys stopping each other from climbing the ladder as a bad thing. This occurs outside of the lab with monkeys and power lines, a monkey climbs the power line and suddenly falls down dead, the other monkeys are shocked (emotionally), later another monkey climbs the power line and falls down dead. After several dead monkeys the others still have no idea what's happening but one thing is abundantly clear, the power lines are dangerous, and so the adult monkeys teach the young to stay off the power lines.

A generation later the monkeys know to stay away from the power lines, or even if they do climb them they've figured out (through generations of trial and error) where the most danger is and avoid those parts, they don't know why of course but they have a culture of avoiding the danger and that culture saves many a monkey from an early demise.

I'm beginning to see religion the same way, in my youth the story of Adam and Eve seemed very misogynistic, unfairly portraying the first woman (well second if you count Lilith) as the perpetrator of original sin. What all the Abrahamic faiths have in common is that women are are depicted as the dependents of men, as foolish and mercurial, and if not properly managed they become a danger to themselves and others.

This is why women originally couldn't vote, it wasn't some grand patriarchal conspiracy to deprive women of political power, it was simply common sense that women don't pay enough attention to (or understand) such things and thus would be poor decision makers.

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[Black Rose]

Post-war period after 1945 people understood war was bad.

That is why they took away the draft.

But it has been known for a long time that young people have lots of energy.

War is a thing to get them to spend that energy if the economy is bad.

And men do not do well when it comes to education because of that energy.

So even if most fields of research expect men to be in them,

most men will turn to religion to protect them like women once held.

You cannot real science then read bible, bible tells you that groups matter.

And if groups matter then war is a big deal. Women don't like wars.

But children depend on women raising them, so the bible is better than school.

Again the post-war period held most people going to church but also be antiwar.

My mom had us go to church alot. And we went to school to learn science.

Those things conflicted.

But we were very anti-war because of Vietnam on the History Channel.

But what were Gen Z exposed to? Atheist debates and the war on terror.

Gen Z came from Gen X - Gen X was anti-bible because boomers were pro-bible.

Gen Z has no cohesion but religion seemingly gets cohesion going as a group.

Gen X had little good family life so this imprinted on Gen Z

So what happens is the need for a group identity.

This is stronger in men because men organize differently, they do so in war.

And women have it so children need them, so making it about religion is odd.

So women would because they don't need religion more so as a group,

They may be inclined not to have children raised that way and be group-oriented.

Thus men have lots of energy that needs to go into a group.

What might be calling for more religion or some varient?

What matters then is to have something for them to do.

Having nothing for young men to do creates tensions.

Where for women are spending energy on education, not children.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I agree, I have had people say things about what is right, and then when the stuff started to matter "what is right" no longer mattered.
I am no longer interested in what people say about morals at all.
Because I know it does not translate to reality.
Either you do as you say or you are idealistically just thinking you are a good person, and its an easy pitfall to fall into.

I judge people on their action most, then by what they say.

 

[Cognisant]

I think part of the problem is that women are held to a different standard to men, they do a lot of dumb things because they're protected from the consequences of their actions and when those consequences are unavoidable we (as a society) are far more willing to help them.

Science Daily
When compared with men, women were 23 percent less likely to be ticketed, 55 percent less likely to be arrested and 76 percent less likely to be searched when stopped by police. Women were more likely to only receive a warning or have no outcome when stopped by police during a traffic stop.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think part of the problem is that women are held to a different standard to men

First of all women are not monolithic group. I agree they have different psychology though.
I don't really think there are women that think they can do whatever.
The few who do are exception.

The other more important part here, for me is that women getting less ticket can mean anything, including being more docile and polite, and therefore getting just warned instead of getting a ticket. Other reasons included like males being horny, but that is just females using male dick brains to their advantage, which I would fault males for not females.

Also generally number of female criminals and psychopaths is lot lower than in male population.

SO statistics can be read and interpreted in many ways, but they are not really good indicator that women are treated somewhat better overall.

My general experience is that women are treated way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way worse than males.
I mean the number of things males get away with is amazing.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

The law enforcement stats are interesting to me. I'm looking at it three ways:

1. Law enforcement are making a correct assessment of appropriate punishment of women and men.
2. Law enforcement are making a incorrect assessment of appropriate punishment of women, but are correct with men.
3. Law enforcement are making a correct assessment of appropriate punishment of women, but are incorrect with men.

I wonder what those stats on law enforcement on women have to say about specifically, "serious" crimes. To me this is just an indication of over policing on men than how women evade accountability.

US is just a police state so I may be biased.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I have come to the conclusion that the Femboys are trying to save us.

 

[scorpiomover]

A co-worker of mine who is woke and pro-immigration because, in her words, we have a duty to the world, in almost the same breath complained about homeless people living in a van near her house. They're not being loud or leaving trash or doing anything to disturb anyone around them but just the fact that they are THERE is a problem for her because it makes her uncomfortable.

She probably expects that it's the state's job to deal with the homeless and is not her problem.

I find it fascinating how the depictions of the five monkeys experiment always present the monkeys stopping each other from climbing the ladder as a bad thing.

If you think about the experiment objectively, all the experiment shows is that if, whenever one monkey tries to climb the ladder, someone makes the monkeys that are not climbing the ladder feel unpleasant, then the monkeys will stop any of the other monkeys from climbing the ladder, and eventually most of the monkeys stop even trying to climb the ladder.

Really successful technique at controlling populations and making them do what they want.

Gets even better. Suppose you you have white monkeys and black monkeys, and want to stop the black monkeys climbing the ladder, but you don't want to squirt the black monkeys, then you simply squirt water at the white monkeys whenever a black monkey is trying to climb the ladder. After a few goes, the white monkeys will form an association between pain and a black monkey climbing the ladder, and the white monkeys will stop the black monkeys from climbing the ladder. After a while, most of the black monkeys will not even bother to try climbing the ladder. Best of all, because you never attacked any of the black monkeys, if you claim it wasn't your fault, people will probably believe you.

This occurs outside of the lab with monkeys and power lines, a monkey climbs the power line and suddenly falls down dead, the other monkeys are shocked (emotionally), later another monkey climbs the power line and falls down dead. After several dead monkeys the others still have no idea what's happening but one thing is abundantly clear, the power lines are dangerous, and so the adult monkeys teach the young to stay off the power lines.


A generation later the monkeys know to stay away from the power lines, or even if they do climb them they've figured out (through generations of trial and error) where the most danger is and avoid those parts, they don't know why of course but they have a culture of avoiding the danger and that culture saves many a monkey from an early demise.

I'm beginning to see religion the same way, in my youth the story of Adam and Eve seemed very misogynistic, unfairly portraying the first woman (well second if you count Lilith) as the perpetrator of original sin. What all the Abrahamic faiths have in common is that women are are depicted as the dependents of men, as foolish and mercurial, and if not properly managed they become a danger to themselves and others.

This is why women originally couldn't vote, it wasn't some grand patriarchal conspiracy to deprive women of political power, it was simply common sense that women don't pay enough attention to (or understand) such things and thus would be poor decision makers.

Even so, women who did pay enough attention to politics, had a good understanding of politics, and made good decisions when it came to politics, then would be good choices for voters.

The way to manipulate people, is to convince them that they're ALREADY making rational decisions, when they clearly have not put the work in to understand what is going on.

Imagine if Caligula was told over and over, for thousands of times, how he's sooo clever and "always right". After a while, he'd assume his most crazy of ideas was probably right as well, wouldn't he? Why would men and women who are constantly told how they are right, "you got this", etc, when there's no objective evidence to say they put ANY thought into the matter at all, not behave the same way?

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

in almost the same breath complained about homeless people living in a van near her house.

when people mistake "issues" for morality

instead of (logically-coherent) PRINCIPLES

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I wonder what those stats on law enforcement on women have to say about specifically, "serious" crimes. To me this is just an indication of over policing on men than how women evade accountability.

we need legal mathematics

ugly people are more likely to be given harsh sentences

we need a computer that calculates punishment based purely on facts

with no accounting for looks, gender, or circumstances

Study uncovers why jurors reward the good-looking, penalize the unbeautiful | Cornell Chronicle

A new study identifies the types of thinking among jurors that may predispose them to reasoning rationally or emotionally, which can have a dramatic effect on sentencing. (May 11, 2010)

news.cornell.edu

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I find it fascinating how the depictions of the five monkeys experiment always present the monkeys stopping each other from climbing the ladder as a bad thing. This occurs outside of the lab with monkeys and power lines, a monkey climbs the power line and suddenly falls down dead, the other monkeys are shocked (emotionally), later another monkey climbs the power line and falls down dead. After several dead monkeys the others still have no idea what's happening but one thing is abundantly clear, the power lines are dangerous, and so the adult monkeys teach the young to stay off the power lines.

great observation

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

But it doesn't come from a place of morality, it's purely driven by emotion and self interest,

short-sighted (apparent) self-interest

if people were truly self-interested (with a long-term view)

we'd be living in paradise already

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

Gets even better. Suppose you you have white monkeys and black monkeys, and want to stop the black monkeys climbing the ladder, but you don't want to squirt the black monkeys, then you simply squirt water at the white monkeys whenever a black monkey is trying to climb the ladder. After a few goes, the white monkeys will form an association between pain and a black monkey climbing the ladder, and the white monkeys will stop the black monkeys from climbing the ladder. After a while, most of the black monkeys will not even bother to try climbing the ladder. Best of all, because you never attacked any of the black monkeys, if you claim it wasn't your fault, people will probably believe you.

that's an interesting wrinkle