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Could an unhealthy/depressed INTP mimic an INFJ?

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Hello, I am a new member to your forum, and I have a question. Is it possible for an unhealthy INTP to 'shadow' Fe-dominant types (especially an INFJ specifically)? In INTPs, Fe is the inferior or repressed function, and I've heard that it can go 'berserk' under duress. Myself in particular, when I'm seriously depressed (I have a recurring problem with depression), I tended to score as an INFJ, and feel a lot more "emotional". Has this happened to any other INTPs?
 

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I think so, depending on what you mean by that, especially for younger people who are in the midst of trying to integrate their inferior. I first learned about MBTI as a teenager and typed myself as an INFJ. Partly it was wishful thinking, I was an INTP musician trying to learn to be more passionate in my interpretation. I finally broke through my inhibitions, but left music for scientific pursuits. Eventually after some study and reflection realized I was obviously an INTP.

One of the problems with MBTI is that it is very difficult to self-asses, especially when young.
 

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If you take the MBTI test when you're stressed, you'll get different results. Examine the tertiary and inferior functions of both and see which one's fit you when you're not stressed. Either way, it's unlikely you're infj because you score infj when you're stressed/depressed.
 

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It's happened to me before. I tend to think obsessively about a few certain topics which almost always results in depression and sometimes in a dreary fatalism or hopelessness, although it seems that these issues affect me exclusively. However, I perceive that I more closely resemble an INFP during those times and not an INFJ. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if you really are an INTP, as some of them can be amazing thinkers while at the same time being dark and melancholy (no offense).
 

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Hello, I am a new member to your forum, and I have a question. Is it possible for an unhealthy INTP to 'shadow' Fe-dominant types (especially an INFJ specifically)? In INTPs, Fe is the inferior or repressed function, and I've heard that it can go 'berserk' under duress. Myself in particular, when I'm seriously depressed (I have a recurring problem with depression), I tended to score as an INFJ, and feel a lot more "emotional". Has this happened to any other INTPs?

I can see that. Perhaps an erratic INFJ though. The Fe that would be spurting wildly from an unhealthy INTP would be a demonstrable subversion of Ti-Si analytical tranquility. Basically, the inferior function would be elevated and, because the INTPs inferior function is judging, things might get nasty. Maybe it would resemble the INTP Enneagram 5w4 disintegration points. The five would behave like a scattered seven and the four would resemble a clingy two. I find this thought experiment reasonable because many INTPs, especially those of INTP forum, are Enneagram five.
 

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I can see that. Perhaps an erratic INFJ though. The Fe that would be spurting wildly from an unhealthy INTP would be a demonstrable subversion of Ti-Si analytical tranquility. Basically, the inferior function would be elevated and, because the INTPs inferior function is judging, things might get nasty. Maybe it would resemble the INTP Enneagram 5w4 disintegration points. The five would behave like a scattered seven and the four would resemble a clingy two. I find this thought experiment reasonable because many INTPs, especially those of INTP forum, are Enneagram five.

Ti-Si is like an idyllic, tranquil land of rolling fields, and tidy cottages; yet from time to time, the demon hordes of Fe rise from a gaping rift that reaches to the bowels of the earth, and so the knights of must Ti mount their steeds and ride into battle, blades of logic gleaming in the mid-day sun.

-Duxwing
 

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Ti-Si is like an idyllic, tranquil land of rolling fields, and tidy cottages; yet from time to time, the demon hordes of Fe rise from a gaping rift that reaches to the bowels of the earth, and so the knights of must Ti mount their steeds and ride into battle, blades of logic gleaming in the mid-day sun.

-Duxwing

I like that imagery. Quite a bit. :o

Well, oftentimes when the "demon hordes" of Fe rise up, it's in response to a beleaguered Ti (depression, etc.) - may god have mercy on your immortal soul.

For ten dollars, ol' snafu can also throw you a bone. Order by midnight tonight. :D
 

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I like that imagery. Quite a bit. :o

Well, oftentimes when the "demon hordes" of Fe rise up, it's in response to a beleaguered Ti (depression, etc.) - may god have mercy on your immortal soul.

For ten dollars, ol' snafu can also throw you a bone. Order by midnight tonight. :D

Awww, thanks, I'm glad that you enjoyed my writing. :)

-Duxwing
 

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Sure, they can generally appear like each other. Shared function pairs, both Intuitive Introverts.
 

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Hello, I am a new member to your forum, and I have a question. Is it possible for an unhealthy INTP to 'shadow' Fe-dominant types (especially an INFJ specifically)? In INTPs, Fe is the inferior or repressed function, and I've heard that it can go 'berserk' under duress. Myself in particular, when I'm seriously depressed (I have a recurring problem with depression), I tended to score as an INFJ, and feel a lot more "emotional". Has this happened to any other INTPs?

Well, I would not consider INFJs to be the type to "go berserk" under duress, they are very self-controlled typically and prefer to keep their garbage to themselves and under tight wraps, due to the aux Fe. INTPs definitely have shadow outbursts, however, when under stress and without other coping mechanisms in place.

I think some INTPs can develop INFJ-like presentations, however, especially depending on the environment in which they were raised. My top four cog functions are Ti, Ne, Ni, and Fe when I test, for cog preference; and there is some overlap between INFJ and INTP due to the shared Ti (it's primary for INTP, tertiary for INFJ; and if an INTP develops some Fe? Well, there's another connection point.) I have a number of INFJ friends who I get along well with.

From my days of depression, my behavior was more that I either became very passive and very withdrawn -- or if someone came after me and agitated me and I couldn't withdraw, then I'd have an outburst. INFJs can do the withdrawing thing and become a total hermit, or sometimes they just bottle and keep a fake outer presentation, as another way to keep people away, but I don't typically see an outburst; they're more prone to direct it within and have nightmares or get sick.
 

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From my days of depression, my behavior was more that I either became very passive and very withdrawn -- or if someone came after me and agitated me and I couldn't withdraw, then I'd have an outburst. INFJs can do the withdrawing thing and become a total hermit, or sometimes they just bottle and keep a fake outer presentation, as another way to keep people away, but I don't typically see an outburst; they're more prone to direct it within and have nightmares or get sick.

"Bottling up rage" was one of the things that happened to me, because I was unable to express negative emotions in an outward way. I think Fe manifested itself in an 'introverted' way, cognitively. I think this might be common to INTPs who lean more towards J, which might be in part from inhibition, as Architect said. An INTP compared to INXJ might want to have more attributes of an INXJ, which is consistent to an "Achilles' Heel" of INTPs that I've heard about, which is not knowing the healthy limits of oneself, something Judging-dominants generally have, which might explain why a lot of INTPs often test as 'weak' INTJs initally.

P.S. I once took a test long ago which differentiated "actual type" with "type you wish to be", and I scored as an INTP on the former, and INFJ for the latter. Anyone know of that?
 

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"Bottling up rage" was one of the things that happened to me, because I was unable to express negative emotions in an outward way.

I only really broke that habit when I was in a relationship with a partner who would not let me escape, and after a few said explosions, I decided I needed to find another way to deal with my emotions because the old way was no longer working. It's a painful process, I think. I hated feeling out of control when backed in a corner.

I think Fe manifested itself in an 'introverted' way, cognitively. I think this might be common to INTPs who lean more towards J, which might be in part from inhibition, as Architect said. An INTP compared to INXJ might want to have more attributes of an INXJ, which is consistent to an "Achilles' Heel" of INTPs that I've heard about, which is not knowing the healthy limits of oneself, something Judging-dominants generally have, which might explain why a lot of INTPs often test as 'weak' INTJs initally.

I think I looked more INFJ in the past, when I was much more reserved and inhibited. I think I look more ENTP in comparison nowadays, because I'm more engaging and lead a lot with my Ne and multitask. I don't feel nearly as focused as I used to be.

I have definitely found from experience that IxFJ types tend to take on a lot of responsibility and demand the impossible from themselves. INFJ's, in particular.

P.S. I once took a test long ago which differentiated "actual type" with "type you wish to be", and I scored as an INTP on the former, and INFJ for the latter. Anyone know of that?

I've taken those tests before. I think I also came out with INFJ on mine as the "wanted to be" type.
 
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I tested as an INFJ a few weeks after a nasty break up with my first real girlfriend. I was 19 at the time.
 

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I can score marginally in the INFJ range. I think the difference is true INFJ's are better at using Fe to positive effect. To an FJ type, caring is empowering. To a TP type caring hurts, even when you know you really want to be able to make a positive difference. I think it's because we get sucked into analysis paralysis. It's just too easy to notice how hopelessly fucked up things are and go into a depressive funk. I think it's because in the end we are still primarily Thinking and looking for logic to solve problems that cannot be solved with logic, and this ultimately leads down the path to fatalism and dis-empowerment.
 

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This thread makes me go bkljasdfu.
You are either an INFJ or an INTP, and they are easily distinguishable. You just have to know how.
 

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What an interesting thread. Noxious, my personal opinion is it depends on your upbringing, and what it may force you to repress and express.

The first test I ever did I tested as INTP. Since then I have tested slightly more INTJ than INTP. Twice I have tested ISTJ(though one of those said I could also be ESTJ or INTP). I have been professionally typed as an INTP.

I think from seeing Dario Nadis youtube video, he had an INFP that had a strong S(se?) ability showing up in his MRI scans, they had done sports from a very early age. So background can influence things.
I am curious about how a postive/negative or even a mix of positive and negative development of an tertiary/inferior/shadow early in life can change the expression of a personality.

EyeSeeCold, thanks for the link. I tested as INTJ it said, though the J/P score was exactly 50/50 again. FFS.

Type INTJ
Preferred type INTJ. (53-46 J/P)
Attraction type ENTJ. (51-49 I/E, 51-49 J/P)

At least I am consistent. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
 
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