Correlation between Cognitive Functions and Disorders?

[DelusiveNinja]

I believe that I have elevated to a even higher level of understanding of my psyche. To classify myself with the theories of personality I would be an INTP with an enneagram of 5w4 and a socionics type of LII denoted by INTj. The newest addition to the information about my psyche would be that it's highly possible that I experience periods of hypo-mania and/or, although less frequent, major depression. My question is if it would be reasonable to make connections between disorders and the cognitive functions. For instance, could I use hypo-mania to explain these alleged periods of highly active Ne (and questionably Fe) or depression to sharp periods of Fi, causing my enneagram to lean more toward me being 5w4. Generalized anxiety and my skeptical way of thinking sprinkled on top of all this just makes everything worse.

I also question how these problems with my psyche will affect me in the future and if I should ask for some antidepressants or some other medication. Then I think what if I did get rid of the depression and ended up with increased mania? Then again, thinking about and living with this kind anxiety could make all of this go even further into hell all on it's own. Right now, the hypo-mania isn't a problem and I actually enjoy the feeling of having my mind race at speeds of 'OVER 9000' miles per hour! I'm just worried about these steep periods of major depression. If antidepressants were to cause me to have a even higher form of mania would I still be able to think logically?

In the long run it make more sense for me to develop the other functions so that way my thought process doesn't become too clouded with possibilities or to simply focus my Ne onto a breadth of information to interpret and understand. As usual all of this is pure speculation. I tend to get lost in the possibilities or in my baseless theories when they spur up.

I don't want to end up like those people who spend there lives trying to prove some completely illogical theory, living in a world of delusion. I am the Delusive Ninja though . Sometimes I wish that I hadn't stumbled upon this personality stuff because when I experience something or see something in the real world I always try to make a proof or connection.

 

[Obsidian]

1. I don't know why you mentioned Fi, because that is not one of your functions.
2. The actual mechanism would probably be that mania causes you to utilize your Ne, but since it is not your primary function its overuse wears you out over time, leading to depression.

 

[Hadoblado]

My understanding is that he possesses it, but it's not his preferred feeling function.

I use Te and Ni, but Ti and Ne are much more prominent.

Also, by describing yourself only in terms of the functions your type is supposed to possess, you are allowing for a much higher probability of confirmation bias colouring your views. If Fi describes what he's doing, he should bloody well call it Fi.

There is always the possibility that he's been mistyped, or that MBTI is limited and/or wrong, or, as above, he is being forced into shadow functions by underlying mental conditions.

 

[Lucifer van Satan]

Fi may well be one of his functions, he simply needs to determine whether he is INTP or LII. Let me explain.

INTP: ti ne si fe | te ni se fi
LII: ti ne fi se | fe si te ni

A personality type is a set of functions. You cannot possibly be both.

 

[Hadoblado]

Isn't personality type an ordinal claim as to the preference of functions?

When people start talking type in a concrete fashion I exhibit symptoms of skeptic assholery.

Also, what type system are you using thar? I'm unfamiliar with all but the stock-standard MBTI.

 

[Montresor]

I believe it's Socionics and it's supposed to be randomly thrown into the mix when discussing MBTI, as proof of counter-points.


I prefer the 8 function theories, and some of the terminology that has been used to describe the shadow functions actually seems to make intuitive sense (alt. definition of intuition). It would be nice to see a thread pop up on shadow functions where we can actually have a full discussion about them, all of them.

For example, the role of Te is to sort of "back up" Ti because at the end of the day, the function is Thinking, it always plays the role of Thinking, and the attitude is more fluid than the structure of the function itself.

Another way to phrase it is there are four primary functions, each with two potential attitudes of expression. So really INTP is simply TNSF, with a preference/natural positioning for TiNeSiFe, however the ENTJ is there in the shadow, and ready to get your back when you need it.

I don't know really. This is just what I think. Haven't done a lot of reading on it just thinking.

It sort of has to do with disorders in a roundabout way I suppose. If you feel that your disorderly conduct is expressed most when using shadow functions, then maybe you are right.


See Linda Berens

 

[NullPointer]

I don't mean to go off topic (yes I do), but I chuckled when I saw "Aspirational(TM)" in that image.

 

[Lucifer van Satan]

Isn't personality type an ordinal claim as to the preference of functions?

When people start talking type in a concrete fashion I exhibit symptoms of skeptic assholery.

Also, what type system are you using thar? I'm unfamiliar with all but the stock-standard MBTI.

Yes, the personality type is basically a substitute for your preference of functions, that is what I meant. I definitely suggest that you try socionics. It describes the same functions similary and slightly but significantly different personalities the same way. The difference is because of different theorethical foundations.
Simply keep an open mind about it and try to use both while profiling someone. One might be better suited with an MBTT personality than a Socionics one, and vice versa.
To "convert" from MBTT type to its nearest substitute in socionics, simply swap p and j in introverts. So, ENTP is ENTp in socionics and INTP is INTj.
INTj is also LII, logical-intuitive introvert (socionics notation). The first two letters tell you the first two functions, while the introvert tells you that the first function is introverted. Neat, right? The first two functions are the same in the substitute types, but the rest is different. So yea, you may not yet know your real type. The trick is that you cannot be both INTP in MBTT and LII in Socionics, for they have different functions.

Good luck with the rest

 

[Brontosaurie]

The difference is because of different theorethical foundations.

or lack thereof, in the case of socionics.

btw, anyone else like the idea of picturing shadow functions in reverse order? for INTP that would make Te the lowest function. the inferior (Fe) and its directional opposite (Fi) are right next to each other in this model which conceptualizes the functional opposite of dominant as having an undifferentiated or neutral directional preference.

so, really:

Ti-Ne-Si-F-Se-Ni-Te

i don't know why but it appeals to me. the inferior is more of an eye in the storm of a neurotic dominant directional conflict. a deeply focused, attentive and self-anchoring (dominant) function primarily eliminates, and so distorts and suppresses, its directional opposite - not its functional opposite which to some degree is independent. it makes sense that the functional opposite, while also deprived of attentive development, is neglected and undifferentiated rather than actively eschewed like the directional opposite is on the very basis of our (presumed) incapacity to apply the same mental faculty both inwardly and outwardly in parallel.

 

[Lucifer van Satan]

or lack thereof, in the case of socionics.

btw, anyone else like the idea of picturing shadow functions in reverse order? for INTP that would make Te the lowest function. Fe and Fi are beside each other in this model which conceptualizes the opposite function of dominant as having an undifferentiated or neutral directional preference.

so, really:

Ti-Ne-Si-F-Se-Ni-Te

Fe and Fi are not near each other in the LII, or INTj type.

LII: ti ne fi se | fe si te ni

A way to get the functions manually (this is only in Socionics, MBTT has another pattern entirely, therefore different functions): take the first two functions of the type derived from the name and reverse the first letter of each function to get the third and the fourth function. Then, to get the shadow functions, reverse individually both the first and the second letter of each individual function. Look at the example.

As to the foundations of socionics:

http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/

Check the links at the bottom of the page.

This is basically an introduction, there is still a bunch more beneath what it says there.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Fe and Fi are not near each other in the LII, or INTj type.

LII: ti ne fi se | fe si te ni

did i claim say they are near each other according to MBTI or socionics?

no.

 

[Lucifer van Satan]

did i claim say they are near each other according to MBTI or socionics?

no.

Sorry, dr the first time.

Yet it does initially make sense to position the functions the way you imagined, but I think Socionics had put a bit more thought into it.

 

[DelusiveNinja]

I would use this description for those who are confused about LII: http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Logical_Intuitive_Introtim

Maybe what I was experiencing wasn't considered Fi or depression. I ended up talking with my mother about the possibility of having a mental disorder and she made it sound like it was more of me neglecting my Fe function. She told me that sometimes I would reach out but when I do it she is too tired to listen to what I have to say. In response to this reaction from her, I decided she didn't care and started trying to keep it all in a box. When she was ready to confront me, I shot down her every idea and gave reasons. Being a ISFP she kept urging, feeling as if it is her duty as a parent to help her child. That annoyed me and Fe just started to pour out. I didn't know why I was crying nor did I understand why I couldn't control it. I guess I answered my own question with an experience. I still don't know about the hypo-mania stuff but it doesn't seem as if depression is the problem. It's been said that hypo-mania comes up things that are not useful. Is this true and do these manic episodes have to be random and not useful? Is there really a fine line between DSM diagnosis and the personality types?

Read something interesting here: http://personalitycafe.com/enfp-forum-inspirers/141139-hypomania-vs-ne.html

Here:
Ni - Schizophrenia
Te - Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Si - Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
Ti - Shizoaffective Disorder
Se - Histrionic Personality Disorder
Fe - Bipolar
Fi - Major Depressive Disorder

Ne- Mania/Hypomania