Comming off as insulting Te vs Ti

[Grayman]

I recognize how Te and Ti can come off as insulting to people but I am having trouble putting into words what seems a subtle difference.

 

[Nebulous]

Te: most likely to offend people by telling them they're being impractical or not doing anything useful, making them feel useless or annoyed
Ti: more likely to point out factual or logical errors in someone's reasoning, making them feel stupid.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Te fears being incapable, incompetent or not knowledgeable???? maybe?
Ti fears being biased, manipulated or fallacious...maybe?
anyway point is they are most likely to look down on and insult people who manifest the traits/characteristics or mannerisms they most hate seeing in themselves

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Ti > Fi: Donald Trump speaking candidly on social taboos
Te > Fe: Martin Shkreli doing what he thinks is best for him, ignoring etiqutte

With Trump you either agree with him or you don't, his ideas have ickiness attached to them but that's not his point(though is effective in rallying people). With Shkreli, it's his behavior that's the problem, it has no reedeming qualities unless we discover that his actions had positive benefits in the long run, or that he mis-acted out of naiveté.


I'm not typing these two but I would say their respective social images and issues are representative of how the functions approach social elements in worst case scenarios.

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Additionally, this is related to why it's hard to stay mad at Fi types, and why Fe types always seem to be on the winning/popular side.

You can discuss truth while still maintaining a charismatic public image, it's being a good speaker. And you can make goal-driven decisions without being prejudiced and offensive towards others, it's being a good manager/negotiator.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Te: telling people what to do, as if they couldn't do things on their own

Ti: ignoring what the other person is saying and/or feeling

In both cases: assuming one's own way of thinking is superior to the other person's.

Te listens to what the other person is saying, then replaces it with something "better". Ti just didn't listen in the first place.

 

[Sinny91]

Te: telling people what to do, as if they couldn't do things on their own

Ti: ignoring what the other person is saying and/or feeling

In both cases: assuming one's own way of thinking is superior to the other person's.

Te listens to what the other person is saying, then replaces it with something "better". Ti just didn't listen in the first place.

I was thinking along those lines.

 

[TheManBeyond]

i get really offended when someone tells me i can't do something, my reaction is rage and start proving if not i will feel like dying inside. does this makes me a Te dom then?

 

[Sinny91]

I have severe issue's with carrying out tasks when I don't know WHY they are necessary, or if I think the task/s are inefficient. If I have to do them just to move the situation forward I will, but I won't be happy about it.

I hate it when people impose their systems on me.

 

[TheManBeyond]

I have severe issue's with carrying out tasks when I don't know WHY they are necessary, or if I think the task/s are inefficient. If I have to do them just to move the situation forward I will, but I won't be happy about it.

I hate it when people impose their systems on me.

agree, had tons of situations like these with my ex boss, ended up in fights but we got along pretty well outside this. omg and how much i hated her ever lasting speeches about nothing. plis go to the core. no way with her. no way.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

i get really offended when someone tells me i can't do something, my reaction is rage and start proving if not i will feel like dying inside. does this makes me a Te dom then?

Well, in reference to what I said, that may mean the OTHER person is Te dom.

I'm not sure what function you'd be using, but I'm going to have an epiphany about it later on.

 

[reckful]

I'm not sure what function you'd be using, but I'm going to have an epiphany about it later on.

If it was planned, it's not an epiphany. That's what my Aunt Trudy always used to say.

 

[Urakro]

i get really offended when someone tells me i can't do something, my reaction is rage and start proving if not i will feel like dying inside. does this makes me a Te dom then?

Getting really offended when receiving critique or advice, even after legitimately asking for criticism, is more an Fi thing in typology terms.

 

[PmjPmj]

I think in general, it's the unapologetic tearing down of another person's ideas.

To me, I'm helping them out. Making their thoughts more coherent by better informing them; pointing out flaws in their thinking to avoid iffy logic, etc.

Then, butthurt.

"But I just want to make you better".

This is why I hang around with T users whenever I can. We can savage one another's ideas all day and actually enjoy it. With F (in my experience) this often isn't possible.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

If it was planned, it's not an epiphany. That's what my Aunt Trudy always used to say.

Bro, I'm using multi-layered Ni, you wouldn't understand...

It ain't a plan, it's a prediction.

that second sentence tho...

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if my instincts are correct, you ain't no ordinary sniper...

 

[TheManBeyond]

Getting really offended when receiving critique or advice, even after legitimately asking for criticism, is more an Fi thing in typology terms.

No, i don't mean that. i do handle critics pretty well. I have a friend who's most likely a Te dom, ESTJ probably. We are both musicians, and when he listens to my work he appreciates it yet points out tons of stuff, like everything is all around, there's not a sense of conection between all this cool parts the song goes through. Same about my videos, he points out there's so much shit happening that he stop caring about the music. I like to hear his thoughts cuz i know he's being fully honest and coherent.
The problem is when someone tries to put down your work for they think it's worthless cuz there's not a professional formation behind for example or it is not coherent with the trendy fashion scene promoved by lets say hipters, metalheads, or whatever. They like need a fact for approving ur idea, so they are not scared by touching shadows in a dark room, they need to say this exists for sure, i have seen it before, it's on my coffe, in my books when i read, in the metro, in my shoes, in my microwave, on the plane and in the WC. Then, only then, they care to look a bit at the idea.
They don't even look at themselves first and think can i even try to do it?. They already know the answer. Check this example:
I had this friend who showed me a video she had to do for one of her creative comunication class. The task was to shoot a short video that was made from this lines:
"(her city) and dream", she took a camera and walked through the streets like a take from the eye's person, then after showing a few places of her city she put this effect (from adobe premiere) of waves as if it was an illusion from the person head like a dream.
I said. Damn that's just too normal and predictable, there's no hook, and pointed out why. She simply stared at me like knowing i was right.
But then when i show my work to her she's like crap.
I was walking with her through the streets and we were going to a certain place but we weren't sure where it was so we used google maps.
At some point i told her we talked too much and need to return cuz we just passed by through the street we are looking for. She was like no way, it's impossible it's from here blabla.
I said quietly. Believe. She said, you're wrong.
We did what i said and we found the place.
The cool thing about this story is that she tells me: "damn you were right". Kept repeating to herself for a while so i could listen.
For some reason maybe my way of behaving make people think i'm totally stupid. Maybe it's on my speech. Maybe my lack of evil. Maybe my not straight posture.
I don't know. But it sometimes makes me angry.
What do i have to prove with my attitude that i can't prove with my actions?.

 

[Hadoblado]

Te: Shows people you care about X more than you care about them. It's cold and they feel like either a tool or an obstacle.

Ti: People attribute motive based on what they can see, thus they will assume some external motive they can understand. Curiosity or logical consistency are the last things on a long list of the intentions they will think you have. You can't just ask something and expect people to dismiss it as without motive.

Funnily enough it's the Fe-ers and the Fi-ers of the world that most offend me. Social or moral rejection? It's cancer.

 

[redbaron]

Te: insults people when it invalidates anything/everything they value for the sake of efficiency.

Ti: pointing out inconsistencies as if someone else hasn't considered it and/or not allowing for gaps between the thing intended to be communicated and what was actually communicated.

I generally find Te users are less difficult to present general ideas to, since they're happy to accept stated generalities at face value without obsessing over potential inconsistencies. Ti users make it more difficult, because you can't say 'cars are fast' without being forced to verify what cars are fast in relation to because the Ti user has just discovered Einstein was an INTP and knows that you're not taking into account that everything is relative and that in a cosmic sense cars are actually pretty slow, since many celestial bodies move much, much faster and therefore it's important to qualify the statement that 'cars are fast' by indicating that what you really intended to say is that cars are fast compared to other viable modes of transporting oneself through a metropolitan area.

They'll then sit there with a smug grin as if they've just demonstrated some impressive leap of problem solving and analytical ability, when all they've done is tell you something you already knew but for the sake of brevity and ease of communication ommitted from conversation, not realising you were speaking to someone with the social aptitude of a vegetable.

On the other hand if a Te user has a reason to want you to be wrong they'll most stubbornly declare anything you say as wrong and if you're actually right they'll take as much focus off the fact you're right by shifting the focus to times that you were actually not right (or that they can spin into you being not right) and times that they were to make sure to paint a picture of their rightness vs. your wrongness and why they're more efficient and more right than you are.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

I'm feeling left out

Is there a thread anywhere about insulting Feelers?

 

[TheManBeyond]

i don't see problems with feelers, i see a problem when someone is a feeler and tries to cover it up with bullshit.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

i don't see problems with feelers, i see a problem when someone is a feeler and tries to cover it up with bullshit.

Heh, can you explain what you mean? I see you identify as a Feeler.

I don't like it when someone is nice to your face, and then talks shit behind your back, like they'll try to keep the "peace" and then be a total fuckwit when you're not there.

But that's more about being a total fuckwit than anything MBTI related.

 

[TheManBeyond]

i'm refering to bronto and sinny both full of bullshit, both feelers

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

i'm refering to bronto and sinny both full of bullshit, both feelers

I don't know who bronto is...

Sinny tho... I remember my first run in with her, she like mimicked one of my posts which I got combative about cos I hate that sort of shit, but I guess at least it was obvious enough that I could at least retaliate.

Today we got some good back and forth going? Idk.

I talk shit sometimes I guess, usually not for outright deceptive purposes, but to be funny and/or progress a convo from a hypothetical sorta viewpoint.

I saw this person the other day, kinda looked like how your display pic looks... they had aggressive body language, so I tried to act somewhat aggressive in response even though I'm nice as fuck... idk how they took it, I was just reacting to what stimuli I was given... haha

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

why is Fi always described as "extremely offended by criticism"? this doesn't even sit well with the nature of Fi
or maybe i still dont know what Fi is

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

why is Fi always described as "extremely offended by criticism"? this doesn't even sit well with the nature of Fi
or maybe i still dont know what Fi is

I don't know why, but I have noticed it to be true.

I think it generally, at least when they're offended by me, comes from misunderstanding what was said.

Like maybe they have been burned in the past and they think what I am saying is a repeat of that when it really isn't.

idk, but like, "intuitively" I saw it as true, so I can probably explain it somewhat later.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

why is Fi always described as "extremely offended by criticism"? this doesn't even sit well with the nature of Fi
or maybe i still dont know what Fi is

Imo I say it's due to high empath sensitivity, despite popular belief I wouldn't say it's due to having a high value of their personal feelings over everything else. In fact I would argue some Fi types can be more objective than others if they want.

 

[Grayman]

I don't know who bronto is...

Sinny tho... I remember my first run in with her, she like mimicked one of my posts which I got combative about cos I hate that sort of shit, but I guess at least it was obvious enough that I could at least retaliate.

Today we got some good back and forth going? Idk.

I talk shit sometimes I guess, usually not for outright deceptive purposes, but to be funny and/or progress a convo from a hypothetical sorta viewpoint.

I saw this person the other day, kinda looked like how your display pic looks... they had aggressive body language, so I tried to act somewhat aggressive in response even though I'm nice as fuck... idk how they took it, I was just reacting to what stimuli I was given... haha

TMB is just bullshitting, fucking around, causing mischief. It doesn't make sense because it wasn't supposed to.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

TMB is just bullshitting, fucking around, causing mischief. It does make sense because it wasn't supposed to.

nah, all good, I was just responding to the stimuli I was given aye

 

[Sinny91]

Sinny tho... I remember my first run in with her, she like mimicked one of my posts which I got combative about cos I hate that sort of shit, but I guess at least it was obvious enough that I could at least retaliate.

I don't remember you being combative... I don't remember mimicking you.

I only have recent memories of you, and they have all been pleasant.

I am usually oblivious (to most things), and I know that can annoy people.

Some people assume I'm playing dumb.. In actual fact, I have the memory of a gold fish.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

I don't remember you being combative... I don't remember mimicking you.

I only have recent memories of you, and they have all been pleasant.

I am usually oblivious (to most things), and I know that can annoy people.

I honestly could have been delusional, but it felt real and I still think it was. It was on AK's profile and I said "fite me" and then said my archetype was Jesus and to STFD. Yes I put humour into most things I say, but the pain is all too real sometimes.

I am glad that your memories of me are pleasant.

 

[Sinny91]

I honestly could have been delusional, but it felt real and I still think it was. It was on AK's profile and I said "fite me" and then said my archetype was Jesus and to STFD. Yes I put humour into most things I say, but the pain is all too real sometimes.

I am glad that your memories of me are pleasant.

Hmm... You posted on my wall saying 'fite me', nothing about Jesus tho lol.

And now I do remember mimicking you, not too long ago.. I told somebody else to 'fite me', not that they would have known what the reference was, it was for my own amusement because you made the phrase 'fite me' stick in my head.

haha.. ahh.

Although, I don't remember you getting mad at me either.. Try to be angrier in future, so that I may notice

 

[Grayman]

Are you two done kissing and making up? We need to get back to work.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Are you two done kissing and making up? We need to get back to work.

no

 

[Sinny91]

Are you two done kissing and making up? We need to get back to work.

That's so insulting. Work is for peasants.

Anyway, I must shut up now, I've exceeded my daily post limit.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Hmm... You posted on my wall saying 'fite me', nothing about Jesus tho lol.

And now I do remember mimicking you, not too long ago.. I told somebody else to 'fite me', not that they would have known what the reference was, it was for my own amusement because you made the phrase 'fite me' stick in my head.

haha.. ahh.

Although, I don't remember you getting mad at me either.. Try to be angrier in future, so that I may notice

Yes, I know I posted it on your wall, but it was in response to a post you made above mine on AK's wall which I took as you taking a stab at the way I express myself - doing so slyly as to make me paranoid and start (err... continue) questioning my reality...

Then you said in another thread about the first rule of fight club being not to talk about fight club and I made the comment that I've now been saying.

I got angry at my sister the other day and she told me to leave my own house and I was like "excuse me...?".

I pretend I'm a psychopath sometimes for fun.

I have a demonic entity inside me locked in chains, he's the angry one and I can let him out sometimes, it's fun.

 

[Sinny91]

Yes, I know I posted it on your wall, but it was in response to a post you made above mine on AK's wall which I took as you taking a stab at the way I express myself - doing so slyly as to make me paranoid and start (err... continue) questioning my reality...

Then you said in another thread about the first rule of fight club being not to talk about fight club and I made the comment that I've now been saying.

...

I got angry at my sister the other day and she told me to leave my own house and I was like "excuse me...?".

Haha, I like your sister.

I pretend I'm a psychopath sometimes for fun.

Pretend... sure

I have a demonic entity inside me locked in chains, he's the angry one and I can let him out sometimes, it's fun.

Lul, I'm just kidding.. But dude you must be super paranoid, you weren't even on my radar when I made that post.. which was in direct response to a post Anime made to me.

Do you smoke weed? If so, quit it.
If you don't.. start taking it up! lol

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

...



Haha, I like your sister.



Pretend... sure



Lul, I'm just kidding.. But dude you must be super paranoid, you weren't even on my radar when I made that post.. which was in direct response to a post Anime made to me.

Do you smoke weed? If so, quit it.
If you don't.. start taking it up! lol

I am super paranoid. I get locked up in the psych ward every now and again. They say I am a schizophrenic with persecutory delusions, and sometimes grandiose.

I have found evidence of my facebook being hacked and people breaking into house and leaving things outside of my house that could be interpreted as wannabe-mafia death threats.

Then I'm like, why the fuck would anyone do that, and I just assume I'm a shitty person that deserves it, then I'm like what the fuck lol, no I'm not, if people are really doing that, then they probably are.

Or there is something going on that needs to be kept hush hush even from me, but I can be clued into it.

And c'mon, I am like the farthest person from a psychopath that you will ever meet.

I usually start smoking weed once I become psychotic because at that point I no longer give a fuck about keeping my sanity.

Like, I am only talking about this stuff because I am drunk. Otherwise I would be way too scared of something catastrophic happening from me saying this sort of stuff.

 

[Brontosaurie]

i'm refering to bronto and sinny both full of bullshit, both feelers

I'm pretty bullshit free these days.

 

[Sinny91]

I am super paranoid. I get locked up in the psych ward every now and again. They say I am a schizophrenic with persecutory delusions, and sometimes grandiose.

I have found evidence of my facebook being hacked and people breaking into house and leaving things outside of my house that could be interpreted as wannabe-mafia death threats.

Then I'm like, why the fuck would anyone do that, and I just assume I'm a shitty person that deserves it, then I'm like what the fuck lol, no I'm not, if people are really doing that, then they probably are.

Or there is something going on that needs to be kept hush hush even from me, but I can be clued into it.

And c'mon, I am like the farthest person from a psychopath that you will ever meet.

I usually start smoking weed once I become psychotic because at that point I no longer give a fuck about keeping my sanity.

Like, I am only talking about this stuff because I am drunk. Otherwise I would be way too scared of something catastrophic happening from me saying this sort of stuff.

Ha, lots of weird stuff (like that) happens to me too, I shrug it off as a glitch in the matrix... But nobody has locked me up yet

Dr Pepper.. Whats the worst that could happen

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Ha, lots of weird stuff (like that) happens to me too, I shrug it off as a glitch in the matrix... But nobody has locked me up yet

Dr Pepper.. Whats the worst that could happen

A glitch in the matrix... an Agent must be close by.

You know, I don't actually know what bad would come from any of this. It's more just anxiety, but an anxiety which is hard to shake...

You are fortunate to not have been subjected to the mind-numbing poison which is anti-psychotics...

 

[Sinny91]

You are fortunate to not have been subjected to the mind-numbing poison which is anti-psychotics...

I could use some at this precise moment in time..

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

I could use some at this precise moment in time..

Puff puff pass

 

[ENTP lurker]

i get really offended when someone tells me i can't do something, my reaction is rage and start proving if not i will feel like dying inside. does this makes me a Te dom then?

In socionics this would be demonstrative, very powerful and often too rarely and mockingly used Te which can be found in ExTPs. For me it is : Do not say that I can not figure this.