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First thread here. Goin to college in 3 days. What do you all think of college? Its a small college with a 3 to 1 male female ratio. Im male and im just worried that ill get distracted and slip. Im commuting and im not exactly good at making friends..So what are your experiences with college.
 

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3 to 1 male female ratio? That blows (unless of course, you swing that way, in which case, lucky for you). Aside from that, experiment, join clubs, participate in dorm mate bonding rituals. And trust me, it's WAY better than high school. Whatever you do, enjoy it while it lasts because it goes by too fast.
 

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Go to the orientation if you haven't already missed it. If you missed it, then go to the student union office and ask to be shown around. Take a look at the list of clubs, pick out your favorite three, and join them. Ask to see the calender of events, and attend a few. Go to the employment office and get a campus job.

On the first day of classes, be normal, introduce yourself to whoever you sit next to, start a few conversations. For a course where a study group helps (math or science), ask someone to study with you or join one where it is offered. Help someone with their studies. Go to the campus gym and work out, or join a sport's team, and get in shape, keep yourself in shape, and socialize further.

I am someone who is currently attending his fourth college. That possibly makes me an expert.
 

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3 to 1 male female ratio? That blows (unless of course, you swing that way, in which case, lucky for you). Aside from that, experiment, join clubs, participate in dorm mate bonding rituals. And trust me, it's WAY better than high school. Whatever you do, enjoy it while it lasts because it goes by too fast.
shit..haha im tired.. i meant female male ratio haha sorry. thats a good thing. alright cool i hope its better than HS.
 

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shit..haha im tired.. i meant female male ratio haha sorry. thats a good thing. alright cool i hope its better than HS.
So you are going to a liberal arts college, am I right? It is either that or it's nursing or dental hygiene. If it's anything to do with liberal arts, then cancel your enrollment immediately and go to a college that trains you for a job that will probably pay you money.
 

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So you are going to a liberal arts college, am I right? It is either that or it's nursing or dental hygiene. If it's anything to do with liberal arts, then cancel your enrollment immediately and go to a college that trains you for a job that will probably pay you money.

Haven't you heard? Females are the bread winners these days. Thus, I think he's exactly where he needs to be.
 

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Haven't you heard? Females are the bread winners these days. Thus, I think he's exactly where he needs to be.
Every statistic I have ever heard puts women at a lower pay rung than men. But gender is not the issue. If he is majoring in nursing or dental hygiene, then it is not an issue. If he is in liberal arts, then it is an issue. He is training to be either very indebted well after graduation or homeless.
 

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Orientation is an extremely good place to start, I met this cute girl there last week. I see it going places that i will enjoy very much.
 

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Tangent time. There are practical reasons why women earn three fourths of male wages, on the average, and then there are baseless, discriminatory ones. One practical, rational reason is that women often become preggers and they can not and should not be relied on for long term commitment. However, a baseless reason is the glass ceiling steeped in fear by male superiors. In my opinion - coming from the male perspective - women are better workers, if those women are militant, career women and not ditzy, whoops fudged the numbers again women.

What was college to me? A waste of time, money, energy, and intelligence. Little if any effort was expended and I graduated magna cum laude. A big joke. My time was spent reading three novels a week in my spare time, browsing the internet to extend my knowledge base, and so forth. An undergraduate degree is just a stepping stone - a rite of passage - that has become societally accepted and, hence, expected. It will be the masters degree in two generations just like it was the high school degree two generations ago - barring places like Alabama where you're Einstein with a 7th grade education. It's just another form of indoctrination, I would take it as seriously as watching cartoons maybe.
 

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First thread here. Goin to college in 3 days. What do you all think of college? Its a small college with a 3 to 1 male female ratio. Im male and im just worried that ill get distracted and slip. Im commuting and im not exactly good at making friends..So what are your experiences with college.
My experiences with college are that the method of learning is too slow, tedious, and married to tradition in order for my patience. I would just focus on doing your homework so that you don't fall behind. Besides that, just be your crazy self, and you'll attract people you have stuff in common with.
 

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So you are going to a liberal arts college, am I right? It is either that or it's nursing or dental hygiene. If it's anything to do with liberal arts, then cancel your enrollment immediately and go to a college that trains you for a job that will probably pay you money.
Ya i think its liberal arts haha. So far im goin for psychology and if im up for it maybe it psychiatry.hmm maybe ill just go to film school or somethin..Ill probably transfer somewhere..i was also considering going for graphic design or some kind of computer science..thatd be cool.
 

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My experiences with college are that the method of learning is too slow, tedious, and married to tradition in order for my patience. I would just focus on doing your homework so that you don't fall behind. Besides that, just be your crazy self, and you'll attract people you have stuff in common with.
Thank you..Finally someone who sees that the traditional methods of eduacation are flawed and not efficient..youve officially gained my respect haha..but ya i hope i can find someone who has something in common with me.
 

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Ya im expecting alot of wasted time on things ill never remember or use ever..but thats our traditional education system right?
 

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Ya i think its liberal arts haha. So far im goin for psychology and if im up for it maybe it psychiatry.hmm maybe ill just go to film school or somethin..Ill probably transfer somewhere..i was also considering going for graphic design or some kind of computer science..thatd be cool.
I shouldn't have suggested that you cancel your enrollment immediately. That was just my gut instinct talking. Realistically, you can't just cancel your enrollment and go to another college that will actually help you immediately, mainly because college applications take time. Don't worry, you are not fucked. A better solution, as you already figured, is to attend the first quarter or the first semester, maybe even the first year, and transfer your credits to a college that will help you land a real job. Just make sure that the courses you take are what will count for relevant transfer credits, such as algebra, English, humanities or other "electives," which every major requires, at the college that you plan to graduate from. You can pay a visit to the registrar's office of your current college or call the registrar's office of the other college to find out what courses those should be, and you can rearrange your schedule within the first week, if necessary, and trade your textbooks without losing money.

Psychology is not necessarily liberal arts, but you still need to get out of it, because you can't succeed in it unless you are accepted into graduate school for a Ph.D., which is extremely difficult. Film school, no, you are still in Loserville, population: almost everyone who graduates in anything closely related to the entertainment industry. Graphic design, computer science, now we are talking, but even those careers are strongly competitive. You'll be up against a bunch of nerds who code in their free time for fun. If you are not one of those nerds, then there are plenty of other options; maybe not the sexiest options, but you need to be thinking about your entire life when you go to college, not just about the next four years or so.
 

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I shouldn't have suggested that you cancel your enrollment immediately. That was just my gut instinct talking. Realistically, you can't just cancel your enrollment and go to another college that will actually help you immediately, mainly because college applications take time. Don't worry, you are not fucked. A better solution, as you already figured, is to attend the first quarter or the first semester, maybe even the first year, and transfer your credits to a college that will help you land a real job. Just make sure that the courses you take are what will count for relevant transfer credits, such as algebra, English, humanities or other "electives," which every major requires, at the college that you plan to graduate from. You can pay a visit to the registrar's office of your current college or call the registrar's office of the other college to find out what courses those should be, and you can rearrange your schedule within the first week, if necessary, and trade your textbooks without losing money.

Psychology is not necessarily liberal arts, but you still need to get out of it, because you can't succeed in it unless you are accepted into graduate school for a Ph.D., which is extremely difficult. Film school, no, you are still in loserville. Graphic design, computer science, now we are talking, but even those careers are strongly competitive. You'll be up against a bunch of nerds who code in their free time for fun.
ok haha thanks for your advice. I really dont know what i wana do yet. So many things im interested in. I really dont know. I relly want a good paying job that ill be able to be creative in. Id love to be able to use creativity to make money.
 

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ok haha thanks for your advice. I really dont know what i wana do yet. So many things im interested in. I really dont know. I relly want a good paying job that ill be able to be creative in. Id love to be able to use creativity to make money.
You have plenty of such options, but they are not the sexy jobs that immediately come to mind when you think "creative." Here are some of those options:
  • Marketing
  • Management
  • Business
  • Mechanical engineering
  • Electrical engineering
  • Medicine
  • Industrial planning
  • Human resources
The reason that they are not the sexy jobs that come immediately to mind when you think "creative" is because they are not about creating things that become popular or aesthetically pleasing. They are about being creative in order to find solutions that best solve the objective problems in the objective reality. That is the type of thing that the world really needs. I suggest you go well out of your way to research about what you want to do and how to do it. Talk to career counselors at your school. Give people calls. Talk to your instructors. Do that kind of thing every day until you have a realistic detailed goal, because you may find that too much of what you have done is a waste of time in light of your goal.
 

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55% girl and 45 boy at my college :)

I too don't know what I want to do. Welcome and good luck.
 

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Thank you..Finally someone who sees that the traditional methods of eduacation are flawed and not efficient..youve officially gained my respect haha..but ya i hope i can find someone who has something in common with me.
It's college. There's bound to be nerds.

I don't mean nerd as a bad thing. I just assume INTPs are all nerds.
 

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It's college. There's bound to be nerds.

I don't mean nerd as a bad thing. I just assume INTPs are all nerds.

Depends on what you mean by nerd.
I am very athletic and actually love sports, but at the same time I have nerd like qualities as well. Physically I am a jock, but mentally I am nerd, I tend to think that, that makes me a nerd, afterall a person's mind is what defines who they are.
 

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ApostateAbe made a blanket statement about psychology which does not seem correct in all cases. A phd is not needed for every job in psychology, thats just wrong. Drug counselor, school psychologist, social worker. Each of these three offer accreditation with a masters degree, although the pay is a different story. Also, even the comment about getting into a phd program being difficult is moot. Maybe if we are talking about clinical psychology at UCLA or Harvard, but there are other schools and programs out there.
 

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ApostateAbe made a blanket statement about psychology which does not seem correct in all cases. A phd is not needed for every job in psychology, thats just wrong. Drug counselor, school psychologist, social worker. Each of these three offer accreditation with a masters degree, although the pay is a different story. Also, even the comment about getting into a phd program being difficult is moot. Maybe if we are talking about clinical psychology at UCLA or Harvard, but there are other schools and programs out there.
Heck, maybe every job is a job in psychology. I have met a lot of psychology majors working jobs that have only a faint connection to the field. A good way to go about college is to major in something that directly relates to your planned job. If you want to do social work, then you can actually major in social work, and you will have much better odds. That way, college is not a waste of time, money, energy, and intelligence. If that is what college is to you, then why do it? To get the piece of paper that may slightly increase your odds of getting hired for a full-time job? There is a much better way to go about getting money. You don't even need college--a certified trade school in plumbing will be far better than a degree in fucking psychology. If you major in something that helps you achieve your end goal, then college is most certainly not a waste of time, money, energy, and intelligence. If you want to be a professional land surveyor, for example, you really have no choice but to get a Bachelor's degree in land surveying. After you graduate, it wasn't a waste of anything, because (1) you learned exactly what you need to excel at your job, (2) you did what you needed to get that job, and (3) you have a huge portion of your tuition paid for by scholarships from people who desperately want more land surveyors in the world, not more psychology/English/history/theater arts majors.
 

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Heck, maybe every job is a job in psychology. I have met a lot of psychology majors working jobs that have only a faint connection to the field. A good way to go about college is to major in something that directly relates to your planned job. If you want to do social work, then you can actually major in social work, and you will have much better odds. That way, college is not a waste of time, money, energy, and intelligence. If that is what college is to you, then why do it? To get the piece of paper that may slightly increase your odds of getting hired for a full-time job? There is a much better way to go about getting money. You don't even need college--a certified trade school in plumbing will be far better than a degree in fucking psychology. If you major in something that helps you achieve your end goal, then college is most certainly not a waste of time, money, energy, and intelligence. If you want to be a professional land surveyor, for example, you really have no choice but to get a Bachelor's degree in land surveying. After you graduate, it wasn't a waste of anything, because (1) you learned exactly what you need to excel at your job, (2) you did what you needed to get that job, and (3) you have a huge portion of your tuition paid for by scholarships from people who desperately want more land surveyors in the world, not more psychology/English/history/theater arts majors.

Obviously, this is correct. However, college just did not challenge me intellectually, which might or might not have something to do with the caliber of the school, and the learning style of rapid fire blurting out answers was not my cup of tea.

Currently in graduate school, and my undergraduate major definitely helped me get in and set up a framework, mentally and socially, in my field. Still, subjectively it seems like it just was not for me. Merely reading the textbooks proves a quicker and more reliable way of gleaning information. Lectures are long winded and pointless: just looking at the powerpoint for five minutes is enough for me, thanks prof! One more thing, you have not dissuaded me from believing it was a tremendous waste of dough.
 

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Obviously, this is correct. However, college just did not challenge me intellectually, which might or might not have something to do with the caliber of the school, and the learning style of rapid fire blurting out answers was not my cup of tea.

Currently in graduate school, and my undergraduate major definitely helped me get in and set up a framework, mentally and socially, in my field. Still, subjectively it seems like it just was not for me. Merely reading the textbooks proves a quicker and more reliable way of gleaning information. Lectures are long winded and pointless: just looking at the powerpoint for five minutes is enough for me, thanks prof! One more thing, you have not dissuaded me from believing it was a tremendous waste of dough.
I think such experiences should be a warning to people like DesertSmeagle who want to be challenged and think creatively. You did not need to have the undergrad experience that you had, if you had only chosen a different field. My own field is geomatics, with a land surveying focus, and I just finished my second week in grad school. My undergrad experience was far different. One project was to plan, draw, and submit a housing subdivision on drafting software and large printed plots. The lectures were all about how to do the work and solve the problems that come from all directions in the business of subdivision planning. Students actively paid close attention and asked questions, or else they would be screwed. They spent plenty of time outside of class working together and figuring the shit out. Almost every class in the department was like that. After graduation, we all took a test for certification. Students who excel were guaranteed paid summer internships, a good job after graduation, or they may go on to grad school to major in geodesy, hydrography, remote sensing or GIS. Students who don't excel will still either get a good job now or a crappy job now and a good job later when the construction industry gets rolling again and very many middle-aged land surveyors retire.
 

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I'm in "college". It's a joke. I could teach my calculus class better than my teacher can. Teachers are all a joke. I much preferred high school...oh, and you can't really make friends at this school O_o. 7000 people lolz...and I don't know anyone! Oh, I do. Today this pothead and I were waiting in line to buy our books, for an hour, all she talked about how she does pot and how screwed up she is etc. Damn, it was so much fun. She's an ENFP I think XD. Craazy.
 

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I'm in "college". It's a joke. I could teach my calculus class better than my teacher can. Teachers are all a joke. I much preferred high school...oh, and you can't really make friends at this school O_o. 7000 people lolz...and I don't know anyone! Oh, I do. Today this pothead and I were waiting in line to buy our books, for an hour, all she talked about how she does pot and how screwed up she is etc. Damn, it was so much fun. She's an ENFP I think XD. Craazy.

I would tap that my friend
 

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Depends on what you mean by nerd.
I am very athletic and actually love sports, but at the same time I have nerd like qualities as well. Physically I am a jock, but mentally I am nerd, I tend to think that, that makes me a nerd, afterall a person's mind is what defines who they are.
I perfectly relate to this statement. Im super atheletic but dont actually like competitive sports. i just like to play casual sports like in gym class and pwn everyone. Im thinkin about playing inturmural badminton when i dont play baseball. But ya im kind of a nerd. idk im just different. id rather stay at home and play call of duty than go play in a baseball game. I hate being on teams.
 

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I think such experiences should be a warning to people like DesertSmeagle who want to be challenged and think creatively. You did not need to have the undergrad experience that you had, if you had only chosen a different field. My own field is geomatics, with a land surveying focus, and I just finished my second week in grad school. My undergrad experience was far different. One project was to plan, draw, and submit a housing subdivision on drafting software and large printed plots. The lectures were all about how to do the work and solve the problems that come from all directions in the business of subdivision planning. Students actively paid close attention and asked questions, or else they would be screwed. They spent plenty of time outside of class working together and figuring the shit out. Almost every class in the department was like that. After graduation, we all took a test for certification. Students who excel were guaranteed paid summer internships, a good job after graduation, or they may go on to grad school to major in geodesy, hydrography, remote sensing or GIS. Students who don't excel will still either get a good job now or a crappy job now and a good job later when the construction industry gets rolling again and very many middle-aged land surveyors retire.
Well im really not sure what to do. If i go through with psychology id like to get a phd or maybe a masters degree. With that i would want to get into criminal psychology or Industrial Organizational psychology and help businesses be productive, which is a really good paying job..if im gonna switch id like to get into visual communications and become a camera man or a producer for like the history channel. Id love to be involved in one of those shows about the paranormal and shit haha. Or id want to get into some kinda computer profession and help create video games...or i can try to be an io psychologist working for sony and make creative forms of advertisement for video games haha.. i really dont know..im taking this media class soon wen i start college classes, maybe ill discover somethin i like. thats the whole point of college right? discovering who you are and shit? haa
 

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Well im really not sure what to do. If i go through with psychology id like to get a phd or maybe a masters degree. With that i would want to get into criminal psychology or Industrial Organizational psychology and help businesses be productive, which is a really good paying job..if im gonna switch id like to get into visual communications and become a camera man or a producer for like the history channel. Id love to be involved in one of those shows about the paranormal and shit haha. Or id want to get into some kinda computer profession and help create video games...or i can try to be an io psychologist working for sony and make creative forms of advertisement for video games haha.. i really dont know..im taking this media class soon wen i start college classes, maybe ill discover somethin i like. thats the whole point of college right? discovering who you are and shit? haa
OK, just remember my advice that you should be putting a lot of time into your life goal--every day. Ideally, you will know exactly what you want to do for the rest of your life before New Year's Eve and how to do it. After that, you will be running up against the application deadlines for colleges, scholarships and internships.
 
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