choosing one side or the other

[peoplesuck]

please only intp replies- Do you find yourself never picking a side, just going over pros and cons of each? I hate picking one side because you're ignoring all the things wrong and the pros of the other side.

 

[Pyropyro]

I usually go for a Third Option that provides a way for me (or my group) to get the most pros.

 

[peoplesuck]

there usually isnt a third though. I mean when there is only two and you are forced to pick one

 

[Pyropyro]

there usually isnt a third though. I mean when there is only two and you are forced to pick one

Then I'll have to confiscate your INTP card.

 

[peoplesuck]

haha well when you take a test and there isnt an option you like you are fucked, and fucked we are. stuck in other peoples box- fkn misspelled box, heres my intp card.*hands it over*

 

[Lot]

I choose team Jacob! He's clearly the better choice for Bella. How could anyone deny that body?

I do like to see both sides of the coin. I don't like dealing in dichotomies. But, srsly, why Edward? Finding a middle ground is where I tend to rest my foot. You never have to choose a side, other than your own.

 

[Polaris]

Yes, totally relate. I was accused of sitting on the fence a lot when I was younger because I could never make my mind up during debates and such - I always thought I needed more information before I could make a decision; like I thought there were some really important details that were missing because we hadn't explored the whole causal chain from the start on either side.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

there usually isnt a third though. I mean when there is only two and you are forced to pick one

There is always a third option. What is this, a soap drama?

The most basic third option is to refuse to choose and leave, but of course, there are many alternatives.

 

[peoplesuck]

I understand that failing my way is better than winning your way but your still failing x_x.
was kind of meant as in school test,debate type decisions.

 

[The Gopher]

please only intp replies

*dusts of his INTP jacket*

Both? I mean one could argue both is a third option. But if you suspend logic momentarally... *watches as jacket melts* you can choose both sides. Or make your own.

The only time a third side doesn't exist is when the best choice is one of the sides. (even then it still exists it just sucks) Now the reason it's the best choice my vary. Maybe it's the best because it will pass the phil class you are in even if you disagree with it. Maybe it's 4 and the question is 2+2 but if you are constricted to two sides you need to start thinking and stop accepting.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I understand that failing my way is better than winning your way but your still failing x_x.
was kind of meant as in school test,debate type decisions.

So you are proposing the binary logic of the yes/no of your answer in a test or in a debate?

Then I propose three-valued logic, or many-valued logic to you.

But I can understand that introducing it to others is a debate in itself and many have problems or are fundamental about the binary system.

Also I can understand the situation of participating in a test, but then, obviously it is optimal to choose something, if you don't know what is better, then choosing something is better than choosing nothing, unless otherwise stated, it gives you a chance of getting something back, points for example.

However, one thing to note, if there was a test with multiple answers you don't know, where you would have to guess many of the unknown choices, then it is good to consider leaving or admitting that you are not prepared. Mainly because it is better to admit your lack of knowledge, before it is made apparent in the results of your 50% correct answers spread randomly throughout the answer sheet, which directly shows you were guessing the whole time and makes you look like an idiot, which you are by doing so, so then it can be beneficial to give up and admit defeat, imo.

Depends whether the success of a battle or of the entire "war" hinges on this and similar circumstances. But generally speaking, results below 60% in tests are frowned upon and arguably need to be re-taken.

 

[Grayman]

please only intp replies- Do you find yourself never picking a side, just going over pros and cons of each? I hate picking one side because you're ignoring all the things wrong and the pros of the other side.

There is no side only the belief of a side. The truth of objectivity needs no side.

 

[peoplesuck]

I agree but people will always try and make you make a stand on one side. Its reaaaaly annoying in writing classes where you have to pick one side and be bias.

 

[redbaron]

I agree but people will always try and make you make a stand on one side. Its reaaaaly annoying in writing classes where you have to pick one side and be bias.

I used to break the rules and write from both perspectives. Still got good marks. Depends on your teachers though, some will mark down a good piece of writing just for not following the criteria. In that case just write as many things that agree with your teacher's perspective.

Literature at high school level is a real joke. Sometimes it's better to just find out what your teacher likes and cater to that, as opposed to trying to be original or creative.

Anyway yes, I dislike when I'm made to choose a side. Usually I don't agree with either side. Everything's infinitely complex as you continue to break it down, so I have a hard time taking a position on anything.

 

[PhoenixRising]

Yes, totally relate. I was accused of sitting on the fence a lot when I was younger because I could never make my mind up during debates and such - I always thought I needed more information before I could make a decision; like I thought there were some really important details that were missing because we hadn't explored the whole causal chain from the start on either side.

^this

Although, I find as soon as I think I have enough information to understand something clearly, I'll take a very particular stance and stick to it until proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.

From what I've seen, INTPs seem to have a unique blend of flexibility and stubbornness.. >.>

@OP - As far as choosing a particular side in an argument goes, I've found that the opinions I end up with are usually a combination of things from most or all sides of an argument, or even something entirely different from any other opinion. Reality is seldom as simple as one "side" of things. This is a dualistic universe, after all.. so in many cases the whole truth is only seen when both sides of it are considered as counter aspects of the same thing.

 

[John_Mann]

I consider what is called opportunity cost.

 

[Pyropyro]

I agree but people will always try and make you make a stand on one side. Its reaaaaly annoying in writing classes where you have to pick one side and be bias.

I consider writing about something that isn't aligned with my worldviews as roleplaying/game. It is school work so it doesn't matter what my output is as long as I get a good grade.

I agree with redbaron in regards to catering to your teacher's wants. It's merely a means to an end. You will forget your teacher's viewpoints but the writing skills that you trained will stay longer provided that you continue to hone your skills.

 

[Grayman]

I find myself choosing the side that remains undefended sometimes even when I dont agree with it. Lol

 

[peoplesuck]

Path of most resistance always a challenge

 

[Base groove]

I choose to reply even though you meant to exclude my entire race.

..|..

 

[peoplesuck]

All the cool kidz are doing it.

 

[peoplesuck]

random idea: what would it be like having psychological warfare with an exact copy of yourself?

 

[Affinity]

"A wrong decision is better than indecision." - Tony Soprano

 

[Variform]

I usually go for a Third Option that provides a way for me (or my group) to get the most pros.

I think it is very, or should be very apparent to INTP's, since it would fit so well with what we are supposed to be about down at the core, to leave options open.

Since I was a teen I have always stood on the Third Option. I don't like to choose because it closes off the other pathways. But it is also about truth and that when you chosoe a side, you deny truth to the other. And I cannot know for certain what truth is.

So I rather not pick sides. Besides, the INTP mind, as I read, is very much aimed at truth. So regardless of any or all considerations, an INTP will have trouble deciding on a side. Choosing sides makes life easier. Because you cut away 50% of reality that you don't have to worry about no more.

But we wanna keep our options open, our mind is infinity-orientated. An extravert will focus much more on the concrete objects in front of them. But we in our mind realm can wander anyplace.

I feel I have a tendency to be to fair. That causes loyalty issues with friends and family. When I still had friends and talked to family I would not necessarily choose my own family over the points of others. I learned to keep silent, mostly.

Even with my ex I would disagree rather than swallow it as to avoid causing issues between us.

One of the reasons we are no longer together is because the truth is, that my gf has psychotic sumptoms that may cause harm to others and I cannot live with it anymore, even to not disturb things and get sex. It doesn't feel I am awesome, but in essence I ams ticking to my INTP'ness at the cost of 14 years of relationship. Because truth is so damned important to me.

So I chose my own side this time. Now I bleed. Be careful how true you wanna be to your nature.

 

[Variform]

haha well when you take a test and there isnt an option you like you are fucked, and fucked we are. stuck in other peoples box- fkn misspelled box, heres my intp card.*hands it over*

Lol, that is why on so many tests I have issues. What to choose. Most polls here are similarly atrocious to me.

 

[Variform]

I consider what is called opportunity cost.

Sex or no sex?