Change your Brainwaves Change your MBTI type?

[Black Rose]

I never had a brain scan for my MBTI type but I believe it is possible to know what type you are from a brain scan empirically and definitively. But what if you could change your brain waves to become a different type altogether?

The reason we have our set brainwaves is because of the white and grey matter connectivity. So if we were to change type it would require a functional change rather than a hardwired change.

The easiest type to become I suppose would be Ni dom because Dario Nardy says that Ni dom persons have complete synchrony in gamma waves. This is what most brain wave training is all about so this type would be the one to be easiest to transition into? The second type would be Se dom because you can train yourself to look at stuff external to yourself.

 

[birdsnestfern]

Atlanteans could heal their people with frequencies, something like tuning forks and light frequencies.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think there is alot of stuff unanswered in MBTI and personality theories in general.

First of all people are not permanently in the same state of mind or existence.

For instance my work mind and my relationship mind will operate differently.
My problem solving mind and my empathic mind will work differently.
Wise mind and reactive mind function differently.

Its clear for instance how being too logical makes you blind to certain truths that are obvious to less logical people.
In same way how being emotional makes you limited in rational.
Having a balance between the two is sometimes referred to wise mind.

Essentially our minds have a collection of biases, deviations if you will, that lead to certain tendencies.
These prominent tendencies that are patterns through out life are personality.
However personality in and of it self is not the only pattern in our mind.

How would INTPs present say in more primitive cultures where there is no formal education.
Could we recognize Ni in people who regularly believe in supernatural ergo ghost, spirits, auras vs the norm.

For people there is actually no "norm or standard" MBTI is from the culture of US and its metrics are built around US population with very strong focus on Job applicants.

Briggs began her research into personality in 1917. Upon meeting her future son-in-law, she observed marked differences between his personality and that of other family members. Briggs embarked on a project of reading biographies and subsequently developed a typology wherein she proposed four temperaments: meditative (or thoughtful), spontaneous, executive, and social.[14][15]

The issue with MBTI is that there are many different ways to slice and dice and measure human personality in variety of context.

What labels we give it is decided by the way we see interrelations.
For example INTP pattern makes meaningful sense only in relation to other types, as a contrasting profile.
Personality is thus contrasted with other people.
Personality is basically a collection of tendencies and patterns from early life.
However how these tendencies function in relations to environment is also a big question.

For instance what would Black Rose look like if you were Eskimo, a mongol hoard member, a bushmen, or a fishermen Peru.

That is the holy grail of personality research looking at the core of what makes us act the way we act, same way even though we are different places, in different cultures, different parents etc.

 

[Black Rose]

What labels we give it is decided by the way we see interrelations.
For example INTP pattern makes meaningful sense only in relation to other types, as a contrasting profile.
Personality is thus contrasted with other people.
Personality is basically a collection of tendencies and patterns from early life.
However how these tendencies function in relations to environment is also a big question.

For instance what would Black Rose look like if you were Eskimo, a mongol hoard member, a bushmen, or a fishermen Peru.

Te would contrast with Ti

F would not be the same as T

And Judgment would be something different from Perception

Sure culturally we would be different because the environment would differ.

But then labels is not the same as definitive concrete functions.

We could label Feeling as thinking and Thinking as feeling but would that make them do the reverse of what they were actually doing?

Would a judgment be perception if named it that way and so judgment would do perception instead?

If I was left-handed and I labeled my left hand as right does that stop me from using that hand as where it was oriented? Would labeling the back of my head as the front of my head make my eyes be on the back of my head?

You can use word games to say this is that and that is this but then we are looking at orientations of cognitive process. That is like saying because I speak French French people have two left feet. No Jung was specific in what he was saying, he was saying something about the direction we have our psychic energy processes going. So back to Ti vs Te - the content may be different but the effect is still the same, we think about outside or inside stuff and what every culture we are in that is not the same as feeling about stuff. And perceptions will not be judgments in any culture. We would just have culture judging and perceiving different contents.

What this has to do with brain waves is that we do not know what brainwaves are judgment brainwaves and perception brainwaves, extraverted or introverted brainwaves. But I am certain aside from Myers and Briggs that Jungian functions are not arbitrary. Going to France will not make all their eyes be on the backs of their heads and have two left feet. And I do not see that happening for psychic orientations either.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

The reason we have our set brainwaves is because of the white and grey matter connectivity. So if we were to change type it would require a functional change rather than a hardwired change.

There are many unanswered questions about brainwaves influence on consciousness.

Are they simply a by-product/waste? Or do these brainwaves get harnessed in some way and effect the system top-down.

Eitherway they are interesting, because they say something about the neuro-chemical events happening because of them.

I would say it's too soon to think about, because it's basically like trying to see 50 moves ahead in chess. We need more information before we commit to certain ideas, and these ideas might be useless in the end.

 

[Old Things]

Jung thought type was fluid rather than static. And because of brain plasticity, it's hard to imagine that type is the same all the time. I've even heard Frank James say that our cognitive functions are only preferences rather than only working one way.

 

[Black Rose]

Jung thought type was fluid rather than static. And because of brain plasticity, it's hard to imagine that type is the same all the time. I've even heard Frank James say that our cognitive functions are only preferences rather than only working one way.

Functions "work" by going in the opposite direction of their counterpart.

So Ti and Te as to where they are directed are inside and outside, the I and E

You could say that we can switch from outside to inside and inside to outside but you cannot say that we do both at the same time with a single function, that is like going backward and forward at the same time.

In my experience, Extraverted Thinkers can absorb lots of science stuff very quickly whereas for me having the Ti function I am constantly in my head about all sorts of things I never would think had anything to do with what I have seen in the real world. The Te person thinks about the outside and therefore has the ability to control the outside world to his/her advantage otherwise they would not think about it. I on the other hand have limited control of the outside so must go inside to see what could happen. Te absorbs all it can about the way things work exterior. And Ti in the opposite direction explicates what it is trying itself to know with what can be derived from base knowledge. Ti: I know "this", so what can I make clear from it only in reference to itself nothing from the outside?

So I think that if we can call a function a preference then we choose to look inside or outside but not at the same time. Personally, I have a hard time trying to understand the external world and have been introverted for a long, long time.

Further:

my roommate is xSFP and they are emotional all the time.

It would be very hard for them to change without some intervention so that is why I think the brain waves are important to knowing what would need to happen.

And for me to change to an extroverted thinker I would need to change what I was doing; instead of sitting in a chair all day, I would need to seek out information about lots of things and make plans of how to engage with my environment.

So I speculate that brain waves for Te would be real-time feedback with the environment whereas Ti would be more about brainwaves that as referential to a recurrent neural system.

 

[Old Things]

Jung thought type was fluid rather than static. And because of brain plasticity, it's hard to imagine that type is the same all the time. I've even heard Frank James say that our cognitive functions are only preferences rather than only working one way.

Functions "work" by going in the opposite direction of their counterpart.

So Ti and Te as to where they are directed are inside and outside, the I and E

You could say that we can switch from outside to inside and inside to outside but you cannot say that we do both at the same time with a single function, that is like going backward and forward at the same time.

In my experience, Extraverted Thinkers can absorb lots of science stuff very quickly whereas for me having the Ti function I am constantly in my head about all sorts of things I never would think had anything to do with what I have seen in the real world. The Te person thinks about the outside and therefore has the ability to control the outside world to his/her advantage otherwise they would not think about it. I on the other hand have limited control of the outside so must go inside to see what could happen. Te absorbs all it can about the way things work exterior. And Ti in the opposite direction explicates what it is trying itself to know with what can be derived from base knowledge. Ti: I know "this", so what can I make clear from it only in reference to itself nothing from the outside?

So I think that if we can call a function a preference then we choose to look inside or outside but not at the same time. Personally, I have a hard time trying to understand the external world and have been introverted for a long, long time.

Further:

my roommate is xSFP and they are emotional all the time.

It would be very hard for them to change without some intervention so that is why I think the brain waves are important to knowing what would need to happen.

And for me to change to an extroverted thinker I would need to change what I was doing; instead of sitting in a chair all day, I would need to seek out information about lots of things and make plans of how to engage with my environment.

So I speculate that brain waves for Te would be real-time feedback with the environment whereas Ti would be more about brainwaves that as referential to a recurrent neural system.

I'm just giving you what Jungian psychology says. You can take it or leave it, but what I said is the theory.

 

[Black Rose]

I'm just giving you what Jungian psychology says. You can take it or leave it, but what I said is the theory.

nothing I said made sense to you, you don't understand my words?

 

[Old Things]

I'm just giving you what Jungian psychology says. You can take it or leave it, but what I said is the theory.

nothing I said made sense to you, you don't understand my words?

IDK why you quoted me to say what you said.

 

[Black Rose]

I'm just giving you what Jungian psychology says. You can take it or leave it, but what I said is the theory.

nothing I said made sense to you, you don't understand my words?

IDK why you quoted me to say what you said.

Because I thought you would understand what I was saying.

Why is it you can't understand?

 

[Old Things]

I'm just giving you what Jungian psychology says. You can take it or leave it, but what I said is the theory.

nothing I said made sense to you, you don't understand my words?

IDK why you quoted me to say what you said.

Because I thought you would understand what I was saying.

Why is it you can't understand?

How common it is for people to change their type is up in the air. But it does happen. It's sorta like an actor in a movie. They can act like a different type than what they are even though they have a core to what they are like. But our type can change. It happens over time by changing routines and training our brains in a different way.

 

[Black Rose]

How would an extroverted thinker become an introverted thinker?

and

How would an introverted thinker become an extroverted thinker?

I was trying to explain that a little bit.

 

[Old Things]

How would an extroverted thinker become an introverted thinker?

and

How would an introverted thinker become an extroverted thinker?

I was trying to explain that a little bit.

There may or may not be those kinds of extreme changes. IDK. But I do know that the brain can change which has an impact on our personality. I am a different person than I was 6 years ago. I don't know that I would say my personality is different, but my values certainly are. And I am less bitter, resentful, and unforgiving than I was before. I am basically like how it would be if you took the same person who was a jerk and made them a loving person. This happened because I trained myself with the help of God to be a more loving person. I am also a much much happier person and a more emotionally vulnerable person. This did not happen overnight. It took time.

 

[Black Rose]

I think that focusing inwardly on how I feel is strange to me because I always have to put a reason to what is happening. I can feel good or bad because of things happening but then I must know why things happen in the first place that I cannot just put all my energy towards that position of hell yes to hell no kind of expression.

The reason I am like this is because it never got me anywhere. All it did was make me have such high emotions that were never validated. So if I was mad or sad nothing happened to change the situation. That is why I tried to become as detached as possible. Because my emotions did not solve my problems.

Extraverted feeling is about detachment

See as I said above

Introverted feeling is about attachment

FiSe - is highly sensitive to colors and attaching to what it sees

SeFi - is similar but it is in motion so stimuli must have high velocity

FiNe - in the intuition gains something from reflecting emotionally on what it can come up with in the imagination, it holds onto ideas until it has gained all it can.

NeFi - has a high velocity of ideas so is wandering around becoming emotionally engaged with anything that stimulates the idea process.

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It is because as I have mentioned Te needs to have real-time feedback. So Fi being the part that elicits the forward actions of Te - the Fe would make Ti more about standing back to contemplate and probe deep into the mind what implications there may be to just about anything.

The weak connection of Te when Fi is dom or aux may affect what it means to have emotional attachment in the first place. The Te dom or aux will have less need to feel attached in such a way to satiate feeling but still need to engage it to motivate them to think about how things work. It can be tedious not to have motivation but as with the Te function the immediate feedback will continue to make the Te dom or aux move forward in absorbing the understanding it has of the world.

 

[Yamogono]

That's an intriguing idea! I've read about how brain activity differs between MBTI types, but the concept of changing types by training brain waves is fascinating. Imagine being able to switch perspectives like that. Have you tried any brain wave training techniques yourself?

 

[Black Rose]

Have you tried any brain wave training techniques yourself?

I am trying to increase Se by willpower, this requires me to settle my emotions.

Ni's thoughts and sometimes anxiety keep me from looking at things.