Celebration of the Artificial

[Cognisant]

Spoiler

All that is beautiful, meaningful, important and profound is also utterly contrived.

There is no inherent meaning, morality is relative to perspective, our concept of natural is ironically a completely unnatural state of homeostasis, and it's likely that everything we assume to be real might only be a small part of some greater entity's videogame.

Celebrate the artificial because all you care about already is

 

[Turniphead]

Yay!

 

[Cognisant]

There is a certain kind of essential madness, a required suspension of disbelief without which the existentially enlightened mind will fall to apathy and despair, in this way it really is possible to be too sane. Whereas if one consciously embraces the madness the opposite becomes true, one may become incredibly driven, the ideal may not be feasible but that's no reason not to strive for it, to fall short of perfection and/or paradise is a failure of little consequence.

What is your madness, your neigh impossible ideal?

 

[Duxwing]

The PI's argument seems to rest on the assumption that conflict ought to be avoided; while one could argue that such is his self-created moral code, an existentialist could just as well make his purpose conflict. It seems almost like a rationalization of inferior Fe.

And contrived? Eh? Contrivance implies conscious choice on the part of some agent. Ethics is the codification of thoughts regarding conduct--thoughts ultimately chosen on the grounds of feelings like guilt or sympathy.

-Duxwing

 

[Cognisant]

The PI's argument seems to rest on the assumption that conflict ought to be avoided; while one could argue that such is his self-created moral code, an existentialist could just as well make his purpose conflict. It seems almost like a rationalization of inferior Fe.

I wholeheartedly agree, it also doesn't make good business sense, however I'm given the impression that this is all a ploy to talk the attractive and now single dame into hedonistically drowning her troubles with him.

Contrivance implies conscious choice on the part of some agent.

Don't obfuscate with semantics, it is a stereotypically INTP way of being a sophist and I can say that's being a sophist because I know you know what I meant and that's not it.

If it really matters to you suggest a better word and I will edit my post.

Ethics is the codification of thoughts regarding conduct--thoughts ultimately chosen on the grounds of feelings like guilt or sympathy.

Internally, though those internal feelings are influenced by external context and context is a matter of perspective, well insofar as the biological mechanisms involved are functioning reliably of course.

 

[Duxwing]

I wholeheartedly agree, it also doesn't make good business sense, however I'm given the impression that this is all a ploy to talk the attractive and now single dame into hedonistically drowning her troubles with him.

In which case he would be the hedonist private eye, not the existential one; albeit, his purpose could be pleasure.

Don't obfuscate with semantics, it is a stereotypically INTP way of being a sophist and I can say that's being a sophist because I know you know what I meant and that's not it.

If it really matters to you suggest a better word and I will edit my post.

I understand that you're frustrated, but chill out, mannnnn, you're harshing the vibe. I don't know what you meant, and accepting 'contrived' as the word for your intended meaning necessitates accepting the rest of the connotations and meanings of the word--especially the implicit, unconscious emotional ones, which impart untold assumptions by setting the mood and tone of the discussion. Being clear and precise in your expression is essential to forming the foundations of a thread, and calling me a sophist is not going to change that, nor does my behaving as a stereotypical INTP make me wrong.

An example, if you'd like one:

Spoiler

"My daughter is a fascist. She keeps me up at night with booming music and then yells at me all the time."

vs

"My daughter is a fascist: she keeps me up at night with booming music and then yells at me all the time."

In just that one colon we learn about the author. Angry people write simple sentences. However, people who are calmer tend to write longer, more logically connected series of clauses and ideas, as seen in the presence of complex punctuation within sentence two. See? I just switched my literary 'voice' (on purpose) and didn't you just feel it? And then the word fascist: The parent could literally be complaining that her daughter plays Nazi music and shouts, "Zieg, heil!" when questioned, but she could also feel powerless under a figurative totalitarian regime of anger and loud music. Had the writer been more clear, such potentially confusing questions as, "Does she wear her armband to school?" or "Have you considered self help?" could have been avoided.

In other words: language has so many subtle facets and nuances that paying attention to form... *puts on English teacher's sunglasses* pays off! *guitar solo* YEAAAAAAAAAAH!

Internally, though those internal feelings are influenced by external context and context is a matter of perspective, well insofar as the biological mechanisms involved are functioning reliably of course.

Yes, feelings have many sources; however, they nonetheless remain feelings.

-Duxwing

 

[Cognisant]

Huh, I was just thinking about that.

New thread incoming!

 

[Duxwing]

Huh, I was just thinking about that.

New thread incoming!

OK.

-Duxwing

 

[Cognisant]

Nope too hard, I was going to make some sunglasses with a button that plays that sound but that means I'll have to wire up a MP3 player somehow and I don't really know enough about audio I/O.

Anyways,

The humour is proportional to how awful it is that you're laughing at it.

 

[Black Rose]

If all is nominal I ask why do we experience? Yellow is a nice color as per my conditioning that it has no negative impact on me. With what memories I've had there is only the impression of what was my reaction. To become artificial yourself the least is to enjoy the story. If nothing is under our control we seem to act algorithmically so such things as contrive enter us as awe wonder amazement totally perceived along with the negative.