Cartesian axioms

[Stagename]

Without being sure what existence is,saying you have existence isn't really saying anything meaningful at all.
So you exist,but what is exist?if you can not be sure of it you are stuck to the same problem.What are you saying be saying you exist?
Where?what is I?if all the world is illusion what exist is?

Like I just said: To exist is to be, instead of only appearing to be (and also instead of not appearing to be, of course).

If I look at you, I cannot be sure of whether you are or merely appear to be. You could be a figment of my imagination. And there is no way to prove that you are not. In other words, I don't know whether you are external to me, or merely an internal construct in my mind without any external representation.

But when I focus on my own thoughts, I know that they are a figment of my imagination. This inherently means that my imagination exists, which also means that I exist. I am, and I don't merely appear to be, as evident by my conscious awareness of my own thoughts.

 

[Haim]

Again,without explaining what is "I",it does not say much.
Am "I" is computer connected to emulation?
Am "I" in a different world connect to a matrix?
(the next zero chance)Am "I" a soul/in hell/other bullshit?
Am "I" a brain connected to computers(where I is conscious mind and computer are the unconscious)
Do I just think I am the conscious mind and the unconscious mind think he is conscious?
Am "I" an alien playing a game controlling human being?(without knowing that)

 

[Stagename]

Again,without explaining what is "I",it does not say much.
Am "I" is computer connected to emulation?
Am "I" in a different world connect to a matrix?
(the next zero chance)Am "I" a soul/in hell/other bullshit?
Am "I" a brain connected to computers(where I is conscious mind and computer are the unconscious)
Do I just think I am the conscious mind and the unconscious mind think he is conscious?
Am "I" an alien playing a game controlling human being?(without knowing that)

What I am, is irrelevant to the statement that "I exist".

 

[QuickTwist]

The question should not be asking about "I think, therefore I am" but "I think, therefor to what extent am I?"

 

[Haim]

What I am, is irrelevant to the statement that "I exist".

Of course it is relevant,it is relevant to the meaning of the statement,what does it say that I am sure I exist?what do the statement mean by that?If I done properly define I,the the statement is also not properly defined,making it meaningless.

The question should not be asking about "I think, therefore I am" but "I think, therefor to what extent am I?"

what?

 

[Intolerable]

Starting at "I exist" leaves out a lot of axioms which preceded this particular one.

Start from the beginning and it will make more sense.

 

[Stagename]

Of course it is relevant,it is relevant to the meaning of the statement,what does it say that I am sure I exist?what do the statement mean by that?If I done properly define I,the the statement is also not properly defined,making it meaningless.

Actually no.

You are missing the point of the statement.

The point is that anything we experience to be external to ourselves are things we cannot be sure of whether or not exist at all. An example is when I see you, you could very well be an illusion, and not be "real". The same goes for everything else I see. I cannot know if anything I see is merely a product of my own imagination.

However, my own thoughts must be real because I experience them. And they are a product of my own imagination (or my imagination is a product of them), and therefore I know that I exist - in terms of my own consciousness and awareness of it. The only thing that I can be sure of is that my own consciousness is real. Any further assertion about the type of existence is a further specification, and is not necessary to arrive at the initial point. It is irrelevant to the basic fact that I do exist.

 

[Haim]

I know this is the problem they try to solve,but they don't solve it.
What exist mean in a world of illusions?
From human perspective in this kind of world the definition of exist become the illusion.
If I were to start living in a dream state world,I would consider the world around me as exist.Exist just refer to the world you live in,if you consider everything as illusion,how can you call yourself not illusion?when your definition of reality is an illusion world,if you are not illusion by your own definition you do not exist.In a world where I is not I,saying that "I am" mean nothing.
Making this statement not helpful and meaningless.

 

[QuickTwist]

what?

I'll be honest, I don't know how to explain it. It just seems to me that to exist we have to know the extent of our existence. It is the question of others that leads me to make this statement. I mean sure I exists, but it says nothing about other things to exist, so context in what my existence has to do with other things is what I'm getting at.... I think.

 

[Sinny91]

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