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So, do INTPs really excel at anything at an early age? Something that an employer would value? Seems a lot of INTPs dont have any real skills. Just a knack for analyzing information. How easy has it been for any of you to even get part time jobs through the years?
 

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"Something that an employer would value"
 

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No, I didn't really find my "niche" until I was in my 40s.
Driving a Tow truck was probably one of the most fun jobs I had when younger, but I prefer my later career, all in all.
 

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knack for analyzing information

Not just that, but finding patterns and solutions within the information. It's a skill employers value. But there's not really many jobs that simply require you to only analyse and come up with solutions to problems. You'll need to do (sometimes dull) other tasks in between.

Basically I had to learn to be more of an implementer and follow-through type personality, not just someone who analysed and drew conclusions from raw data. It is an indispensable skill, but there is only so much data to analyse. Once you've found the solution, it needs to be implemented effectively. This generally requires completing what can feel like a whole heap of redundant and pointless tasks, but ultimately they are necessary.

I think that INTP's in general make effective managers. I am ridiculously bad at sticking to a routine/plan, but in terms of my ability to create and implement pragmatic ways of fixing a myriad of problems in a short amount of time I'm way ahead of the others.
 

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Yeah, I agree on the part about follow-through.

I seem to have a problem where I think by analyzing I can arrive at a more efficient path to my objective, which is usually true. I don't stop there though and eventually I realize that I was trying to arrive at my destination through thought alone. If through planning I had managed to get my goal to be just outside my door and all I had to do was stand up and walk outside, I would probably still be trying to think about how I could maximize the problem further so that it would actually come inside my house.

My version of analysis paralysis.
 

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So, do INTPs really excel at anything at an early age? Something that an employer would value? Seems a lot of INTPs dont have any real skills. Just a knack for analyzing information. How easy has it been for any of you to even get part time jobs through the years?

I have quickly become one of my bosses favorites at every job I have done, but in terms of part time jobs or any non career type jobs I don't think it is really your personality type or skills that make you successfull or not. In the end it really just comes down to having high standards for your own work and not being lazy and accepting the minimum.

But overall INTPs are one of the most valuable emplyees to have in most everything.
 

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No, I didn't really find my "niche" until I was in my 40s.
Driving a Tow truck was probably one of the most fun jobs I had when younger, but I prefer my later career, all in all.

What the hell? Are you me? I did that for over 12 years and assumed it was my niche until I discovered in my early 40s that teaching is my true niche.
 

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I work for myself as a carpenter. There's a wide variety of tasks and always a unique problem to solve. Being free to create solutions on my own and implement them is probably the most rewarding. Many times though, I'll get annoyed when I have to stop and wait for city inspectors or when home owners constantly look over your shoulder and ask silly questions.

When I was younger I worked for a larger company and found that my desire to be a competent team member somewhat overruled my "do what I want" temperament. I still showed up late every day but like to think I made up for it.

I found that being a foreman or in charge of other workers was tiresome. Many construction workers are not very bright, and when they failed to do something the first time I'd just tell them to move and end up doing all the work myself.
Also, if working by myself, on the more methodical work I'm free to daydream as much as I like and still be doing something.
 

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I work for myself as a carpenter. There's a wide variety of tasks and always a unique problem to solve. Being free to create solutions on my own and implement them is probably the most rewarding. Many times though, I'll get annoyed when I have to stop and wait for city inspectors or when home owners constantly look over your shoulder and ask silly questions.

When I was younger I worked for a larger company and found that my desire to be a competent team member somewhat overruled my "do what I want" temperament. I still showed up late every day but like to think I made up for it.

I found that being a foreman or in charge of other workers was tiresome. Many construction workers are not very bright, and when they failed to do something the first time I'd just tell them to move and end up doing all the work myself.
Also, if working by myself, on the more methodical work I'm free to daydream as much as I like and still be doing something.

Huh, a carpenter and in construction. You sound just like my creative writing professor. He's a seeming contradiction: a muscular intellectual who also used to work as a carpenter and in construction. I seriously thought he was ISTP but I guess it goes to shows that you can't stereotype all INTPs (I'm slowly realizing that you can't stereotype any type).

Do you think Ti-Ne makes for a successful carpenter? Even moreso than Ti-Se?
 

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Do you think Ti-Ne makes for a successful carpenter? Even moreso than Ti-Se?


Yes, but not more than Ti-Se. However, in overall temperament I don't believe the two are all that contrasting. I tend to thrive on smaller projects where the freedom to create and implement new or different solutions is possible. The obvious drawbacks are that these situations are rare. For conventional projects, i suppose I suppress my Ne in order to satisfy homeowners, building codes and architects, which may be why they all frustrate me.

Unless I misinterpret the functions, I think Ti-Ne is also beneficial in continuously finding more efficient ways to do something. My approach is nearly always to "wing it". This tends to frustrate coworkers who rely on conventional methods and are often correct, but sometimes my ideas do make things easier. Either way I'll learn what works best.


p.s. I also played sports!
 

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"With a well-developed understanding of their environment and the ability to act very quickly, [INTPs] may [make] good athletes."
 

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I have quickly become one of my bosses favorites at every job I have done, but in terms of part time jobs or any non career type jobs I don't think it is really your personality type or skills that make you successfull or not. In the end it really just comes down to having high standards for your own work and not being lazy and accepting the minimum.

But overall INTPs are one of the most valuable emplyees to have in most everything.

I can really relate to that. I can sometimes think that I am just fooling everyone and I don't deserve all of the praise I get, that I am somehow good a creating an illusion out of myself. I think this is mostly because I know that I can be lazy and unmotivated at times.

However, I often look back at something I've done and realize that basically no one else around me would have been able to pull it off. I may not do something incredibly productive every day, but whenever I do it usually makes a big difference and gets noticed.

I think office/work politics suits an INTP much better than normal social dynamics.
 

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So, do INTPs really excel at anything at an early age? Something that an employer would value? Seems a lot of INTPs dont have any real skills. Just a knack for analyzing information. How easy has it been for any of you to even get part time jobs through the years?

I've been working part-time and full-time at a suburban grocery store for the past four years while attending college. I think it’s a great job for young INTPs to have, if not one of the best—this is why (although many of these INTP strengths could also apply to many other jobs):

First, as you say, INTPs have “a knack for analyzing information.” The wording of that statement implies that other types lack such a knack, and my experiences on the job confirm this. There is a huge amount of information to learn and evaluate at a grocery store and a massive number of possible action-plans available for implementation.

Second, I suspect that some INTPs—as well as other iNtuitives—have a different environmental awareness than other types; I know this is true for me (INTP), my ENTP brother, and an INFP I know. In my opinion, the SJs and SPs tend to exhibit a highly repetitive, almost herd-like pattern with regard to what they pay attention to and what they overlook, meaning that there is always some work to be done that exists outside the boundaries of the awareness of the Sensors. There is always an item in the wrong place on the shelf, always a gum wrapper on the floor, always a misplaced tag, always a cobweb in a corner somewhere, etc.—and the Sensors will overlook many of these on a daily basis.

Third, the INTP’s introversion combined with our odd “social chameleon” tendencies are perfect for this kind of job. Your combination of introversion and iNtuition can enable you to focus on work while the SJs and SPs may be much more prone to devoting a portion of their neurons to Sensor-level conversations—and hence they’ll repeatedly work at a level lower than their actual potential, with their attention divided as it is. However, the INTP’s mirror-like personality will ensure that when you do have to engage in social interaction—e.g., with other employees, with your bosses, with customers—you’ll be able to do so in a way that conforms to everyone’s social expectations while simultaneously not diverting you from your work to the same extent that conversation tends to do for the Sensors. I’m not sure how to express in words how beneficial this is for the perceptive INTP—you can be well-liked by all the employees and bosses while somehow outworking basically everyone.

As long as you choose a position that allows some autonomy (e.g., stocker) and don’t work at a store with rigid routines and supervision, I’d say that this is a great job for younger INTPs.

Also, if you really are an NT, then the characteristically NT cravings for achievement and competence should enable you to excel at practically anything--I know for me that it has. And as I said, many of the observations I typed above could apply to many more jobs and tasks than just working at a grocery store. NTs in general and INTPs in particular really are in a unique position, in my experience.

I have quickly become one of my bosses favorites at every job I have done, but in terms of part time jobs or any non career type jobs I don't think it is really your personality type or skills that make you successfull or not. In the end it really just comes down to having high standards for your own work and not being lazy and accepting the minimum.

But overall INTPs are one of the most valuable emplyees to have in most everything.

I think both of your conclusions here are spot-on.
 

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hello everyone. i'm new here and i'm not native speaker of english so excuse me for grammar mistakes. i'm 18 years old and i can't figure out what career should i choose. my friends had their career aspirations years ago. Until i was 15 years old i wanted to be a lorrey driver :D. then i wanted to be an engineer. now i want to become a businessman. now the main question: i still want to become an engineer. the thing that stops me from applying for university is that i'm bad at physics. my grades are usually 7 in 10 grade system. the problem is that i don't enjoy it. and i think my life would be miserable if i choose a career i hate. so i begging for advice wheather i should apply anyway. i am interested in robotics and automotive engineering. maybe there are a few INTP engineers that could help me? i know engineering is very challenging and i'm very inpattient. i am worrying that if i apply i might regret this
 

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I am 32, fit the INTP archetype pretty accurately, and I would like to provide some of my experience and the outcome for some of you 18ish INTPs.

I have held many diverse jobs, including:
Car Stereo engineer/installer
Deck Hand on a charter fishing boat
Fast Food
Security Guard
Maintenance for a Sky Scraper
Junior partner at a Composite manufacturing company building planes for the Army

Finally I joined the military as an intelligence analyst. For a multitude of (obvious) reasons this is the best fit of any job so far. I encourage you to seek out a job as an analyst, where your expected to use your gift of thinking as a person to fulfill your duties of your job. For me the military part of military intelligence analyst is vital because it is a highly dynamic environment that cannot be matched by the civilian sector. I rarely have any week where I did the same thing on any given two days of that week.

I think one of the other things I did that is a great INTP fit was as that Junior Partner. I got there by hiring into a sales position, and within 6 months had replaced 3 people because I could do a multitude of jobs well. I enjoyed this as it allowed me to refine the efficiency of doing job, tailoring the process, to its finest possible point. At that point it was very easy to do, and I found myself with 3 hours or so daily where I was screwing around on the internet with free time, all while doing sales, shipping, working as the general manager, purchasing, and quality management for a company doing roughly 5 million a year in ISO 9001 approved manufacturing profit.
Find something that is not repetitive, that has multiple systems to master, and that allows promotions readily and you will excel even portions of your job seem mundane.

 

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thank you for your post. i never thought of these careers before. for me it's just so hard to choose since i'm inetested in so many spheres :confused:. Thank You.
 

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hahahahahahah. i just did the career test www.careerplayer.com and i got business analyst as one of the best careers for me :o. thank you again!
 

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I've always been good at working with computers and my career ended up in software engineering.
 
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the problem is that i don't enjoy it. and i think my life would be miserable if i choose a career i hate.

^This is the key. Do what you love.

Apparently you're a bit of a naturalist, according to your sig. Have you looked into Civil or Environmental Engineering? It's entirely possible to be an independent contractor (engineer+businessman+EverythingElseYouHaveThe KnowledgeToDo).

You might also consider GIS or Computer Sci. (<-modeling is big and getting bigger).
 

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those kind of engineering does not suit me :slashnew:
 

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What type of modeling are you referring to?

I meant in terms of programming in environmental fields. The next big thing is incorporating ecological processes (nutrient cycling, contaminant location and dispersal, species occupancy, water cycling, etc) into multivariate spatial GIS models. This couples with the goal of many to reform environmental regulations (endangered species act, clean water act, etc) so that they better reflect systemic accuracy, which is also a... mild obsession of mine. :D
 

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hello everyone. i'm new here and i'm not native speaker of english so excuse me for grammar mistakes. i'm 18 years old and i can't figure out what career should i choose. my friends had their career aspirations years ago. Until i was 15 years old i wanted to be a lorrey driver :D. then i wanted to be an engineer. now i want to become a businessman. now the main question: i still want to become an engineer. the thing that stops me from applying for university is that i'm bad at physics. my grades are usually 7 in 10 grade system. the problem is that i don't enjoy it. and i think my life would be miserable if i choose a career i hate. so i begging for advice wheather i should apply anyway. i am interested in robotics and automotive engineering. maybe there are a few INTP engineers that could help me? i know engineering is very challenging and i'm very inpattient. i am worrying that if i apply i might regret this

Follow your heart, and life will show you the way! LOL...
No joking, I have a degree in pharmacy, a master in biotechnology and a PhD in bioinformatics. I found that I love programming, and that is what I do! The enginner career is wide, and in the future you can specialize in something you like. No worries! Just go ahead and do not stop.
 

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I am 32, fit the INTP archetype pretty accurately, and I would like to provide some of my experience and the outcome for some of you 18ish INTPs.

I have held many diverse jobs, including:
Car Stereo engineer/installer
Deck Hand on a charter fishing boat
Fast Food
Security Guard
Maintenance for a Sky Scraper
Junior partner at a Composite manufacturing company building planes for the Army

Finally I joined the military as an intelligence analyst. For a multitude of (obvious) reasons this is the best fit of any job so far. I encourage you to seek out a job as an analyst, where your expected to use your gift of thinking as a person to fulfill your duties of your job. For me the military part of military intelligence analyst is vital because it is a highly dynamic environment that cannot be matched by the civilian sector. I rarely have any week where I did the same thing on any given two days of that week.

It is interesting you say that. I have started getting fit for the Royal Marines with the idea of specializing in Combat Intelligence.
 

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I'm retired now but I was a software engineer/system analyst for the Dept of Defense working at a satellite tracking/missile warning site. They found my ability to find patterns in data and analyze large data sets to find problem solutions very useful.
 

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@Meow: The best advice I have for choosing a career is to simply take note of what you do every day.

When you get home from school / work, do you turn on the TV? What do you watch? Nature documentaries? Car shows? Action movies? Do you prefer to lose yourself in a book perhaps? If so, what do you read? Textbooks? Science fiction? Biographies? Maybe you like to surf the internet? What sites do you tend to always end up at? Do you search for particular things on Wikipedia or Google?

If you pay close enough attention, YOU will tell YOURSELF what you want to do as a career. I'll be honest, I went through high school putting on a facade that I didn't care about learning, or that I was 'too cool' to try. Being smart and successful was 'uncool', and I resent that every day looking back. Because when I left school, I found myself miserable in apprenticeships such as carpentry, electrical fitting, and other similar jobs that the kids who didn't go to uni were doing. And because I hadn't made the most of my years at school, I had no idea what I wanted to do as a career.

It didn't take me too long to realise that the space documentaries I was watching, movies such as Dante's Peak, The Day After Tomorrow, Twister, Armageddon and Deep Impact I was downloading, Stephen Hawking books I was reading, and physics articles on Wikipedia I was gobbling up were all telling me one thing - STUDY SCIENCE.

Science was the first subject I dropped when I chose my senior classes. And now, over four years after having finished high school, I find myself studying Geology at university, with dreams of becoming a planetary scientist.

To wrap up what I'm trying to say... You already know what you want to do, it's just a matter of picking up on the signals. And also, never say never.

Regards,


Orson.
 

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I've had 3 jobs so far.

1) For a week I worked at a warehouse, packing tools into boxes all day. Very repetitive, and I wasn't very good at it. Although since I only worked there for a week its hard to know if I ever would have gotten good at it. The only positive of it is that it was better than my second job, which I foolishly accepted thinking my luck might improve.
2) The second job was at a small clearance furniture store. My official title was "Sales Consultant", but in reality I was a junior sales person who had to do whatever job the manager couldn't be bothered doing. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no sales skills, so basically I became the cleaner/handy man of the store. On one hand it was great because at least I was doing something different everyday. But the main problems came from my manager's foul moods. She'd end up yelling at me, or giving me the worst jobs she could possibly think of, just because of her problems in her personal life. I stuck through it over the summer until uni started again, because I desperately needed the money.
3) Currently I'm working at the IT department of my Dad's company. I'm absolutely loving this one because I get to practice something I'm good at, and my boss is located in a different city to me, so I have the freedom to do my job the way I think is best. Also somehow I ended up in a office right with the executives, so I feel like an absolute boss.

Although all that is slightly irrelevant to the topic, since they are more part-time jobs to get me through university. At the moment I am about to start my third year, studying a conjoint Engineering and Commerce, and too be honest, I'm entirely sure where that's going to take me yet. I've narrowed it down to three options:
1) Geothermal Energy Engineer
2) Software Engineer
3) Investment Banker

So three completely different options, and I still have no idea which path to go down yet. Luckily I have another 3 years at uni to decide, so hopefully that'll be plenty of time to decide.
 
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