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So I discovered MBTI about 6 months ago, typed myself, an immediately got my best friend to type himself. He came back and informed me that he too was an INTP. At first I thought that was awesome, and probably explained why we are so close.

However, over time, it has become apparent that he is not a true INTP, in comparison to myself. He readily agree's with me; in some ways, we are wired completely different.

Unfortunatley, MBTI became my obession for a while, and I managed to cause him to loose interest in the subject, he will not readily type himself again, unless I have something good to sway him with; and so I could use some help in trying to identify his true type.

We've known each other for 20 years, and have spent 15 of those as the closest of friends, I think I have enough knowledge to build an accurate picture - well, from the outside that is. He is so introverted, sometimes he perplexes even me.

I'll to provide an overview:

The first, and most glaring, contradiction to his INTP result is the fact that he has zero intellectual interests, and he rather dislikes the idea of having any.
In comparison to that, he does love hearing about my knowledge bound adventures, but I'm not sure whether his interest in *my* interests is just due to the abstract theories I churn out.

Second to that, he is extremely socially uncomfortable in unfamiliar places, some times revealing borderline social anxiety. And I feel guilty in revealing this, (even semi anonymously), but he finally admitted to me the other month that he is a virgin. Making him a 23 year old vrigin. I was surprised because I knew he was sexually reserved, but I wasn't aware he was *that* reserved.

He has had a couple of girlfriends, never lasted long or been that intense. But these days, he has grown into his own, and is desirable to women. So that's why that suprised me. He's extremely private, I'm the only person who know's his secret, and that's the moral of that story.

Other things in general and, (unhelpfully), in no particular order:

He like's sci-fi (but not to my extent), he like's fantasy (but not to my extent), he's not hands on in any way shape or form, fix this shelf for me? Errr no. He's not artistic in anyway. He's unemotional. Straight faced. He is heavily sarcastic, although not very cynical. Oh, his only breif interest was cooking, but he's let that slip. I think he does like adventure, and new experiences, although he does not go out of his way too hard to gain them. In my opinion he lacks ambition. Friends and family are more important to him than they do me. He far more aware of his surroundings than I. Err.. We both spend 20 hours a day stoned. Oh, and he's stubborn as hell. Like he won't re-do the MBTI because he know's it's bugging me, and he love's having the upper hand. He'd only cave if I beg..But we play games with how many other ways I get him to give me what I want.

I've tried comparing him to:

INTP - Just not an INTP, I know.
ISTP - Really not the 'craftsman'
INFP - Not a dreamer.
ISFP - Sort of sounds like him, but he's not that depressing, we share the same humour, and some TV/Entertainment interests. Plus, could he really have typed him self that wrong?
 

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SJ? xSxJ. My guess would be ISTJ. Sounds like you got a boring friend.
 

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I don't get a very clear picture of his personality from the way you've described him. You've mostly just listed qualities, you need to describe the guy more vividly and in depth.

"likes sci-fi but not as much as me" doesn't really say anything, it also seems to me that you view yourself as the basis for what an intp is which is bound to fuck with your ability to type other intps.
 

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What interests did he have in his school years? Right now I'm guessing he's an INTJ; being into sci fi seems like a giveaway. If his P was high he'd be interested in some type of academic/intellectual subject.

Don't think he's an S type though, since you mentioned all those things about him not being a craftsmen of anysort.
 

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I don't get a very clear picture of his personality from the way you've described him. You've mostly just listed qualities, you need to describe the guy more vividly and in depth.

"likes sci-fi but not as much as me" doesn't really say anything, it also seems to me that you view yourself as the basis for what an intp is which is bound to fuck with your ability to type other intps.

Yea, I figured I'd do that, so I thought I'd ask a whole bunch of INTP's instead lol.
I'm not sure how to expand on the description I gave specifically, but I'll try.
He's seems like a typical P to me, but am I correct in thinking the S-J interaction can be familiar or something? I need help understanding that.

Male, 23, pysically fit, but dislikes team sports, appearance is clean, casual, practical, not really for anyone elses benefit. Does not have any intellectual interests, dislikes authority and imposed rules. Like's weed, does not drink alcohol much. Family orientated. Not to ambitious, is content to 'ridelife out'. Introverted, reserved, stoic. Thinks about the needs of others, observant, likes adventure, enjoys food. Loves his dogs more than anything else in life. Somewhat asexual. Sarcastic, likes strange things. He doesn't seem to like assertive extroverted men. Maybe an inferiority complex. Can be goofy and cheesy amongst friends.

In hind sight, he is quite boring, but likeable to many.
He does enjoy the abstract, but doesn't really seek it.
I usually find it easy to identity between S/N and F/T amonst friends..
But this has got me stumped.
 

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What interests did he have in his school years? Right now I'm guessing he's an INTJ; being into sci fi seems like a giveaway. If his P was high he'd be interested in some type of academic/intellectual subject.

Don't think he's an S type though, since you mentioned all those things about him not being a craftsmen of anysort.

In school the only thing he really enjoyed was his cookery class.
And the thing he really disliked was PE.
He was a chub-chub in school.
I think he found English okay.
He didn't excel in any subject apart fom cookery, and came away with C-D's, maybe a B or two. It's the NT combo which doesn't seem to really suit at all.

With the Sci-Fi, it's not a huge interest, he leans more towards fantasy.
And you certainly would not see him tune into a soap opera.
 

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Are you sure he's a Perceiver? If he doesn't like change and uncomfortable experiences much, he's probably an SJ Guardian. He does sound ISTJ in the sense that he is unemotional and straight-faced, and that he doesn't go off with abstract theories. What you should do is try to distinguish his temperament (SJ, NT, SP, NF). I think we can rule out NF Idealist if he is unemotional. Also, it is definite that he is an Introvert. Judging by the fact that he doesn't share many of your interests and only listens to your abstract theories instead of participating, he's probably not an NT Rational either. Is he versatile, flexible, adventurous, or otherwise hedonic and crafty? If so, he should be an SP Artisan (Also, just because someone isn't the bad version of their type, it doesn't mean that they aren't that type. I have an ISFP friend who shares a lot of my interests and occasionally puts up with my theories.). If not, that leads us to the most probable SJ Guardian. Since we know that he's an Introvert, and you said that he was unemotional yet not cynical, it is certain that he is an IXTX, and the only IXTX Guardian is the ISTJ. If you can give us more information, that would help, especially if it goes against ISTJ.
 

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Okay, I just had a quick look at the ISTJ profile, notes are:

*he does have a tattoo, but only a small and cautious one.
*he's not duty bound, he hates obligations.
*he'd rather friends than a job.
*he's not punctual.
*he's reasonably, but not overly responsible.
*he is disorganised.

Need to ponder the rest of your input, thanks for the posts Alias.

ETA: in looking at the temperaments, SP seems to be the closest fit. But I still can't help but wonder where his creativity is, and although he is physically fit, sport and fitness are not something he leans toward either.
 

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Ok, great. I knew something wasn't right about ISTJ, so thanks for the information contradicting it. SPs don't necessarily HAVE to be athletic and physically fit. So now we're in between ISFP and ISTP. Was he good at and focused on cooking when he was into it? Try looking at what he does in his hobbies and if he adds a crafty or artistic flair to what he does. There's a slight possibility that he's a heavily guarded ISFP. He reminds me of my ISFP friend, whose T/F you can't tell unless you really get to know him. But if he's always been analytical and impartial, we might as well go with ISTP.
 

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Cool, I feel like we're getting somewhere. I'm off to go look up the ISFP in some more depth, and prep a game plan in order to get my friend to re-take MBTI. Thanks again.
 

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I'm thinking SP too, doesnt sound rigid enough to be an ISTJ and doesnt sound like an ISFJ in the least
 

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Okay. Bribed him into taking the test again.
He scored INTP.
I asked for the percentages this time:

I - 67%
N- 12%
T - 1%
P - 44%

I don't quite get those percentages, I can't view his screen grab, so I'm going by the text he just sent me. I gave him the Human Metrics version. I've just linked him to the enneagram test, to try and gain more context. I suppose I'll have to accept the fact that he is an INTP.. Never thought I'd meet an INTX with so little intellectual interests.. I'll be probing him on the subject.

Was gonna direct him here, but I'd need to remove this thread first haha.
 

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The letterings, I/E S/N T/F J/P, are dichotomies and not static functions. What that means is that you'll have both S and N qualities but there are times when one side is more dominant or more pronounced because it's the person's natural state of being. It looks like your friend has a middle ground in the T/F dichotomy. This would mean that his Ti and Fi are somewhat more pronounced, though I'm sure later on he's going to have issues to deal with (you can't normally 'function' with Ti and Fi as one of your higher functions).

I think if you look at one of DavePower's video diagrams you'll understand typology better.
It's one way of looking at MBTI.

EDIT: this would mean that he's 49.5% F and 50.5% T according to the test. I think. His T is higher by 1% which translates to "T - 1%".
 

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Hmmm, I had an anti-intellectual streak going on when I was a teenager/young adult, due to the cultures I grew up with (highly conservative religious groups) and had emotional attachments to (artist empowerment groups). In fact, I was consistently told to stop thinking and to stop being intellectually curious in those religious groups, and it seemed extremely dangerous considering the circumstances. I accepted that my values and world view are drastically different from most of the people I grew up with when I separated from them.

In one of my last phone calls with my dad, I was ranting about something, like usual. My auditions consistently weren't working out and I was frustrated about the lack of momentum going on with my other art projects. At some point my dad asked, "Do you consider yourself to be an intellectual?"

I immediately answered, "No- not at all." That was my gut reaction. Up until that point, I'd thought of an "intellectual" as someone who put other people down in order to feel better about themselves. I'd certainly seen enough of that- among artists and homeless people I did charity work with, especially.

He laughed a little. "I think I know what you mean. I didn't either." Then he went on to define what an intellectual was, and it was very different from my conception of it.

Then I was like, "Aww, fuck- I don't know myself at all then, do I?!" because by his definition, we were both intellectuals in denial. He was totally an INTJ and we were sort of like clones. Then I met another INTJ who eventually got me interested in Meyers-Briggs and he had apparently always thought I was an INTP. Now that I'm further and further away from the NF core I spent most of my time with, I have a much harder time connecting with new NFs and I definitely seem to see my NT-traits deepening. It's like I hit the reset button on my personality when I shook up my old routine.

Why don't you try to get your friend to do the enneagram or a four-temperaments test? That might give you a few more clues.

The first time I took the Meyers-Briggs test, I was really, really close on the line between F and T as well. There's a video on the YouTube channel by NF Geeks that has a depressed INTP who was typed as an INFP. I don't think the guy is INFP myself, and the guy with official typing certification who did the typing is also pretty skeptical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oayeR2NtTo8

Maybe your friend's test results would be influenced by how much time he spends with you as his best friend too. My personality was (temporarily) influenced very strongly by all the NF friends I spent hours a day with. My best friend was an INFP when I first took the Meyers-Briggs test in college.
 

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However, over time, it has become apparent that he is not a true INTP, in comparison to myself.
The problem is about your method that you use yourself as an INTP figure to compare him. So just because he is different to you then you conclude he is not INTP? why not try to focus on figuring out his Dom and Aux functions?

We've known each other for 20 years, and have spent 15 of those as the closest of friends, I think I have enough knowledge to build an accurate picture - well, from the outside that is
You should blame yourself that you have known him for 20 years but can't understand him enough to type him.

I still can't figure fully what he is from your post but remind that he still may be INTP even though he is so far different to you. Every human being already are something unique when they were born.
 

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I was aware my method I had problems.
Blame myself for what?
Not everyone's an open book.

Its the lack of typical NT behaviour and interests that has struck me as confusing.
He truely value's family over anything else.
He seriously has no interests in anything remotely requiring brain power.
This has been verbally affirmed by himself, anddemonstrated inreal life.

He's not like the Sensors I know,but he's really not like the NT's I know.
I still think he's mis-typing somewhere along the lines.

Just got his Enneagram test results back, he's 6w5 Self Preservation.

Haven't read up on it yet.

ETA: According to a The Wisdom of the Enneagram, 6w5 is a contradiction to it's self, and is a 'bundle of opposites', they put Se to to good use. No wonder I'm was/am confused.
 

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I guess you still obsessed with this MBTI. If this was such a major thing someone would had won the Nobel for inventig it.
People are far more complex than this.
There's genetics, education... Bla bla bla
Things are not static :/

If we are here not to do
What you and I wanna do
And go forever crazy with it
Why the hell are we even here?
 

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Obsessions come and go..
But I sharnt cease and desist until I have the answer.
You're right.. Why the hell are we even here?!
 

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I'm not sure if you've seen this article yet or not, but it correlates Enneagram 6 with ISJ, ISP, and IFP. Maybe he's an INFP? Not all the NFs I've met are dreamy, especially not men. One particular INFP I met struck me as being very stoic and quiet. He was a professional writer. There are a lot of issues outside the scope of type that seem to be influencing the way this individual interacts with the world.

As a sideline, I can't agree that INTJs necessarily like science fiction, or are even more prone than other types to like science fiction.

http://personalityjunkie.com/07/myers-briggs-enneagram-mbti-types-correlations-relationship/

John Lennon was also quite a stoic INFP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp8rSC6s-XQ&index=1&list=PL7285F05CF765EB88
 

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Thanks for the input Dark Matters, I'll shall have a ponder..
 

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He could be manipulating his results to have more common ground with you (I'm not suggesting he's a manipulative guy, just saying that he might be trying to have a better friendship by making himself INTP).
 

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Possibly Alias, possibly...
We went out when we were like 14/15..
In his drunken moments he has suggest I had a rather large influence on him..
How it stands to this day tho, I'm unsure...
He's a best friend to me.. But he's very guarded with his feelings..
 

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The letterings, I/E S/N T/F J/P, are dichotomies and not static functions. What that means is that you'll have both S and N qualities but there are times when one side is more dominant or more pronounced because it's the person's natural state of being. It looks like your friend has a middle ground in the T/F dichotomy. This would mean that his Ti and Fi are somewhat more pronounced, though I'm sure later on he's going to have issues to deal with (you can't normally 'function' with Ti and Fi as one of your higher functions).

I think if you look at one of DavePower's video diagrams you'll understand typology better.
It's one way of looking at MBTI.

EDIT: this would mean that he's 49.5% F and 50.5% T according to the test. I think. His T is higher by 1% which translates to "T - 1%".

Forgot to thank you,
Thanks 1step2step.
And the initial posters.
 

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I guess he's an ISTP bordering on ISFP, or vice versa.
 

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So far I have found out that personality is less about what and more about how/why.
I would suggest looking at INFJ descriptions.

MBTI stereotypes might be good at the start to get the idea of the system, but using them for actual typing can lead to faulty conclusions. Saying someone can't be NF, because they are unemotional is rather... missing the point. Also, what do you count as "intellectual interest"?
 

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Don't rely on stereotypes to determine preferences. Use the knowledge of the 8 functions to determine how to communicate with them.

You are only seeing one side of them. This makes it really difficult to type people. It takes a long time to figure out how an individual thinks within themselves.

Much harder to dig into how another person thinks. People will show the side they want you to see. Only the person can determine how they think and another individual can guide the them into self reflection.
 

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What would you say are this guys strengths? What's the reason you're friends with him? What do you appreciate in him; what do others appreciate?

What type of social roles does he fulfill? Is he always the same guy or does he adjust a lot based on the context? :O
 
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