Can an INTP be religious?

[sree]

I found this idea really unconvincing, an INTP can never be religious in any way.I believe there is a high chance that an INTP can be agnostic .Can you share your thoughts on this?.

 

[Jennywocky]

http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=1502
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=21918
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=21963
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=21676

...plus three zillion other posts in the Religion and Spirituality forum:
http://www.intpforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

 

[nanook]

Can atheists believe in MBTI?

 

[TBerg]

Can people be religious? Can INTPs have conceits?

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Sounds as if you suggested that only the nihilistic emptiness of atheistic materialism was a valid weltanschauung for an INTP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_thesis

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I found this idea really unconvincing, an INTP can never be religious in any way.I believe there is a high chance that an INTP can be agnostic .Can you share your thoughts on this?.

I think we must make more unconditional assertions before we can even begin to disprove how utterly pointless it is to discuss it over and over without understanding what led to the question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_thesis

Makes sense.

Totally unsubstantiated thought:
Why not create a FAQ of common topics of some sort, so that people are informed they are about to commit FAK Q crime?

 

[Architect]

Yes they can, but generally no.

I never known a religious one, all that I've met have been anti-religious. Most online INTP's are the same. There are a few religious one, but of course we don't know if they are religious INTP's or simply misidentified ones.

Purely on the basis of the theory it is easy to predict that INTP's are unlikely to be religious.

 

[Black Rose]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy

 

[Alias]

I am an agnostic theist, a term that Charles Darwin, a possible INTP himself coined. Usually, INTPs are not overly religious and strict, leave it to the ESFJs.

 

[Black Rose]

I am an agnostic theist, a term that Charles Darwin, a possible INTP himself coined. Usually, INTPs are not overly religious and strict, leave it to the ESFJs.

Darwin was an Extraveterted Thinker not Introverted Thinker according to Carl Jung so they to can be religious. Any type can be.

 

[nanook]

Can religion be abused as a typology?

Who knows, it might be good for something after all.

All the vane types will kill each other over who is a real Jesus and who is mistyped.

 

[Olivia]

I'm an INTP, and I'm religious. I do struggle with my religion sometimes, but I'm religious nonetheless. By "struggle", I mean I find it quite difficult to sit down and pray, read the bible, be loving, etc., but I think every religious person goes through this. So yes, INTPs can be religious, even if they may have a tendency to be atheistic or agnostic.

 

[Lot]

Pointless thread from most likely an alt account looking to troll and continue to drag on this fucking boring topic.

If the OP isn't an alt account, you should consider killing yourself for being unable to do a simple fucking search. You didn't even try.

 

[Olivia]

If the OP isn't an alt account, you should consider killing yourself for being unable to do a simple fucking search. You didn't even try.

I'm aware that this thing about killing yourself is supposed to be a joke (well...probably), but please, please don't ever say that, whether you're joking or dead serious. As someone who has suicidal friends, this really hits a nerve. I understand that you're frustrated but jokingly or not, this is not OK, even if you're just talking to a random stranger on the internet. You don't know what they're going through. They might be perfectly fine, or they might be suicidal. Please be considerate.

 

[sree]

Apologies for the creating another thread.I did google it,but didn't found a convincing answer that's why i created a new thread and am new to this forum.It seems some old members of this forum are really pissed of by this thread ,sorry guys didn't mean that.And there is one guy who suggested me to kill myself @Lot LOL,am just a guy who took mbti test and was very exited to find that there are many in this world who think likes me.My purpose was to just initiate a conversation

 

[Jennywocky]

I think the notion to kill yourself was seriously over the top and apologize profusely for my fellow forum members.

However, I think you should shave your head and get a tattoo. (Something flashy, something green.)

 

[Brontosaurie]

the notion to kill yourself

did i miss something

 

[Vrecknidj]

Ya know, I really like a fried egg on toasted rye, with just a hint of peanut butter on the toasted bread.

(And yes, that's an intentional response.)

 

[Frankie]

I'm aware that this thing about killing yourself is supposed to be a joke (well...probably), but please, please don't ever say that, whether you're joking or dead serious. As someone who has suicidal friends, this really hits a nerve. I understand that you're frustrated but jokingly or not, this is not OK, even if you're just talking to a random stranger on the internet. You don't know what they're going through. They might be perfectly fine, or they might be suicidal. Please be considerate.

Thank you.

 

[TBerg]

Yeah, I didn't really appreciate the suicidal imploration either. That just flies in the face of so many notions of moral judgment. It is a real pity that reality means the suicidal imploration isn't really taken as a joke.

 

[Pizzabeak]

That wasn't hardcore enough to warrant a kill yo self reaction

 

[Lot]

Lol

Considering killing yourself and killing yourself are two different things.
If you so think you should kill yourself over being annoying, then that's your issue.

The rest of you need to get off your high horses. It was obviously a joke. I'm having trouble getting over how ridiculous you people are.

 

[Pizzabeak]

It was kind of funny though

 

[scorpiomover]

I found this idea really unconvincing, an INTP can never be religious in any way.I believe there is a high chance that an INTP can be agnostic .Can you share your thoughts on this?.

Sure. Are you talking about the mental masturbators around today?

Or are you thinking about before the 1950s, when there were very few atheists in America, and far, far fewer in Europe, and when those with INTP skills were extremely useful as Human computers?

Or are you thinking about before the 1700s, when there were almost no known atheists anywhere in the Western civilisation, and where those with INTP skills were often the philosophers who were the esteemed scientists of their day, and who were considered so intelligent, that they were the chief advisors to kings and emperors?

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

Can shit be tasty?

 

[scorpiomover]

Can shit be tasty?

Ask a rabbit. They love to eat it.

Humans might love it too. But they lack the biological systems to digest food more than once.

 

[The Introvert]

Gonna have to side with Lot on this one...

If someone killed themselves each time it was suggested on the internet, we would all be dead. If someone is suicidal and browsing forums, they're bound to find shit that's way more fucked up than someone telling them to kill themselves. If they're in such a bad state that a rando's suggestion causes them to do it then so be it - it was going to happen anyway. Just my opinion.

(OP I do think killing yourself might be a bit extreme in this situation )

 

[Jennywocky]

More head-shaving and tattoos, less suicide talk.

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[Pyropyro]

Can shit be tasty?

Try Kopi Luwak (civet coffee). It's ridiculously expensive though.

 

[The Introvert]

But suicide talk is fun!

 

[Tigris]

I was brought up Catholic but as I grow older and developed the ability to critically think, I realize the notion of religion seems less and less credible. I understand it to be hope for many people, something to believe in to explain the unknown (which there is plenty of), or to rationalize that which is subjective; death, suffering, emotions, etc.

 

[JimJambones]

While INTPs can be religious, the probably of being religious is likely much less than most other types.

I consider myself agnostic. I find the existence of a personal God unlikely, but I accept that there may be more to the nature of reality than we have access to. I do have some spiritual experiences that are pantheistic in nature.

 

[D_in_Oz]

It's interesting that so many have said they are agnostic. My husband clearly states he is atheist, but I think it is because I am an INTP that I don't presume to know the answer and consider my self agnostic. In my early teens I used to get headaches trying to figure it out and had to stop. One of the few times I've tried to figure something out and not been able to come to a reasonable explanation that satisfied me as I am not overly concerned what others think.

 

[rainman312]

Anyone can be religious.
Nobody should.

Unless, of course, we're talking about Einsteinian religion or some type of non-supernatural system of beliefs and values, such as several types of Buddhism.

 

[addictedartist]

you just gotta belieb

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think that if INTPs do believe in God and have a religion the probability of them believing in God in conventional sense is very unlikely. I dont think you will find many INTPs with dogmatic beliefs.

However there are those young INTPs with dogmatic atheism kind.

 

[Jennywocky]

damn those young dogmatic atheist INTP whippersnappers... damn them to hell... wait, there is no hell... dammit!

 

[ZenRaiden]

damn those young dogmatic atheist INTP whippersnappers... damn them to hell... wait, there is no hell... dammit!

Its not just INTPs dough. Its general trend among atheists to be sort of elevated in arrogance.

 

[Jennywocky]

Its not just INTPs dough. Its general trend among atheists to be sort of elevated in arrogance.

My last post was a joke, but since you went this way:

it is? Do you have a link to that survey, that shows atheists are trending to be more arrogant overall than Christians? I would like to see that. ANd if they are, is there any legitimate reason for that? What makes someone "arrogant" in your view?

 

[SpaceYeti]

Its not just INTPs dough. Its general trend among atheists to be sort of elevated in arrogance.

Oh yeah? Atheists are arrogant? Because they think all of the universe was created for them to have a buddy-buddy happy-time with the almighty God? Okay, sure.

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

buddy-buddy happy-time with the almighty God

sounds gross
hail satan

 

[ZenRaiden]

My last post was a joke, but since you went this way:

it is? Do you have a link to that survey, that shows atheists are trending to be more arrogant overall than Christians? I would like to see that. ANd if they are, is there any legitimate reason for that? What makes someone "arrogant" in your view?

Considering this forum it might be. BUt I see it on other forums. Also I dont have special definition of arrogant. Anything you would view as arrogant would probably fit my definition of arrogant.

 

[Jennywocky]

Considering this forum it might be. BUt I see it on other forums. Also I dont have special definition of arrogant. Anything you would view as arrogant would probably fit my definition of arrogant.

Considering how many years I spent in Christian circles and ran across enough "arrogant" people in that population to fill the sea red and leave me appreciating the folks I found who actually weren't, I'm not really sure what bar you're using to measure here.

There are also a few really big name "popular atheists" who definitely come off as arrogant, and so it sounds to me like you're selectively generalizing from them while somehow missing a lot of hubris in other demographics. (Yeti also makes a good point about the philosophical arrogance of some religious faiths.)

 

[TBerg]

Individuals of any sort may be arrogant, but I think presuming the validity of parochial dogma requires an extra arrogance. Is it more arrogant to say God did it, or to wait for better answers?

 

[ZenRaiden]

Considering how many years I spent in Christian circles and ran across enough "arrogant" people in that population to fill the sea red and leave me appreciating the folks I found who actually weren't, I'm not really sure what bar you're using to measure here.

There are also a few really big name "popular atheists" who definitely come off as arrogant, and so it sounds to me like you're selectively generalizing from them while somehow missing a lot of hubris in other demographics. (Yeti also makes a good point about the philosophical arrogance of some religious faiths.)

I know religious people are arrogant. They have internet connection too.

When I say arrogant I mean the typical type of arrogant. I cannot define arrogance really well, because it presents its self in so many different forms so even if I gave you example it would be nearly impossible to give you enough to cover all the cases of arrogance I mean. The easy way out was to say arrogant to me means the same as arrogant to you because thats how it is. You know when someone is being arrogant. I mean arrogance in stricktest form as it exists. Meaning when someone says something thats unreasonable and presumptuous.

 

[Jennywocky]

You're still not explaining why you think there are more arrogant atheists out there than Christians. (I have met many many more arrogant Christians than arrogant atheists, if simply because there are far more self-labeled Christians than atheists out there.)

i.e., I've been asking you to "show me the money" just so it's clear what the basis for your views are. But your pockets so far seem threadbare.

 

[ZenRaiden]

You're still not explaining why you think there are more arrogant atheists out there than Christians. (I have met many many more arrogant Christians than arrogant atheists, if simply because there are far more self-labeled Christians than atheists out there.)

i.e., I've been asking you to "show me the money" just so it's clear what the basis for your views are. But your pockets so far seem threadbare.

Wait I think we are not communicating well. Or I am not communicating well.

Its not just INTPs dough. Its general trend among atheists to be sort of elevated in arrogance.

Do you mean this quote? I didnt mean to say that there are more arrogant atheist than christians. Far from it. I just meant to say that there are many atheist that are arrogant about their nonreligious status as much as religious people can be. I dont really claim to know whos group has more arrogant peeps.

In fact I would say dogmatic religious people are by almost default arrogant given that believing in God they somehow believe to be closer to God and therefore better people and thus must be true that if they are closer to God they are better than those who arent close enough to God meaning nonbelievers and thus they have superior morality and better life.