Bronto's ban

[Cheeseumpuffs]

That blog is still running?

 

[The Gopher]

Well it hasn't had any submissions in forever but technically....

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I'm submitting a bunch of shit tomorrow. Right now I'm sick of consciousness. This should remind future me (who'll be present me at the next viewing of past me)

 

[Bock]

Can this forum afford to ban one of the few active users left? Bronto still produced quality content and imo calling someone an old fool isn't permaban-worthy (even with any previous grievances in mind). Enjoy sinny's posts instead i guess. Welp

 

[Sinny91]

Can this forum afford to ban one of the few active users left? Bronto still produced quality content and imo calling someone an old fool isn't permaban-worthy (even with any previous grievances in mind). Enjoy sinny's posts instead i guess. Welp

Says somebody who isn't even a contributor...


Why don't you just go ahead and crawl back into the woodwork, from whence you came.

 

[kora]

I thought he was interesting, openly insulting sometimes sure, but I don't take offense over the Internet anymore. I think he was a fertile member as in he provoked discussion. Just my impression, perhaps for some people he was a blocking factor.

 

[Jennywocky]

I thought he was interesting, openly insulting sometimes sure, but I don't take offense over the Internet anymore. I think he was a fertile member as in he provoked discussion. Just my impression, perhaps for some people he was a blocking factor.

I had him blocked for two years probably, although I would still read his stuff when I was in the mood if I saw a Quote that looked worthwhile.

It was mostly because the majority of the time we interacted, it was needlessly contentious, so I didn't see the point in subjecting either of us to that or wasting energy I could spend elsewhere (even off-forum).

I guess he provoked (key word: "provoked") discussion with those who reacted to him. I guess that role can be useful from time to time?

... and this post began as twice as long, I've edited it down, and now I feel like deleting it entirely because it probably serves no purpose. Arrgggg. Overthinking.

 

[The Gopher]

If we got rid of all the needlessly contentious people the forum would drop in usage by about half.

I'm probably biased but I like Bronto. The fact he was so abrasive when I was wrong was nice and let me see things I was missing. That said I don't think I was ever on the end of his attacks in a bad way. I mean sure we had flame wars years ago but those were fun enlightening flame wars.

 

[Jennywocky]

If we got rid of all the needlessly contentious people the forum would drop in usage by about half.

That's stupid, what if you're wrong?? Let's experiment!

... wait. Does this post make me needlessly contentious?

 

[Yellow]

Fuck! I like Bronto

Then again, I don't think we've ever argued. I mean, I think we've interacted on opposite opinions, but I can't recall.

Does anyone have some kind of contact with him outside the forum?

 

[The Gopher]

That's stupid, what if you're wrong?? Let's experiment!

... wait. Does this post make me needlessly contentious?

Well I'm not wrong. Looking at the member post counts and only looking at the currently active ones the contentious ones are fairly high up. It would be an instant drop of around 10%. (including bronto) Because there isn't that conversation at least another 20% worth of activity drops off with people posting less in response to the active contentious 10%. It'll slowly settle down but as less posting happens less people will come here and it'll settle after another 25% of activity slowly dries up. Okay sure so it's not a hard science but it's a larger number than you think. This is assuming people who left due to members don't come back.

Without contention there isn't anything to do here. Apart from welcome new people and look at typology all day. It'll be like the INFP forum but more droll.

And no. If you were it would make my point much more likely.

 

[Grayman]

Fuck! I like Bronto [\quote]

Yellow like em bad boys.

 

[Yellow]

Fuck! I like Bronto [\quote]

Yellow like em bad boys.

I admit that I prefer the company of certain types of assholes. The not-brick-headed kind.

 

[Jennywocky]

Well I'm not wrong. Looking at the member post counts and only looking at the currently active ones the contentious ones are fairly high up. It would be an instant drop of around 10%. (including bronto) Because there isn't that conversation at least another 20% worth of activity drops off with people posting less in response to the active contentious 10%. It'll slowly settle down but as less posting happens less people will come here and it'll settle after another 25% of activity slowly dries up. Okay sure so it's not a hard science but it's a larger number than you think. This is assuming people who left due to members don't come back.

Without contention there isn't anything to do here. Apart from welcome new people and look at typology all day. It'll be like the INFP forum but more droll.

And no. If you were it would make my point much more likely.

Well, since you're actually taking my comment seriously (I'm kind of playing middle of the field)...

...the questions as I see them are not whether contentious people generate more interaction (because I think they certainly do -- tossing small bombs into the middle of a conversation is a great triggering mechanism, this is what talk radio and political roundtables subsist on); but

(1) is the interaction generated worthwhile in the long run and
(2) does it supplant interactions that might be less frequent but typically more thoughtful, and
(3) what kind of membership does it attract vs. drive away in the long run?

There's some kind of sweet spot in there between challenging conventional thought in order to conversation and get certain ideas on the table, and just being a contentious asshat because you feel good promoting yourself as a "trigger" man regardless, in other words.

I admit that I prefer the company of certain types of assholes. The not-brick-headed kind.

Oh come on, don't you think this is kinda cute?

[bimgx=400]http://slodive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wall-tattoos/brick-head.jpg[/bimgx]

 

[The Gopher]

The thing is Bronto wasn't "just" a contentious ass-hat. He was a contentious ass-hat who backed up his opinions with logic and reason even the times when he was wrong. He did generate interaction that's worthwhile in the long run and it did allow for interactions which were more thoughtful but less frequent. (Btw when I think of more thoughtful but less frequent I think of Cheese, Yellow and you when you're serious.) As far as attracting and driving away membership I don't particularly know.

There are hundreds of contentious ass-hats I don't mind being banned.

See I like Bronto. The thing is his behavior is honestly no different to heaps of other members who just have nicer views. People who are on the "right" side who the mods like or tolerate more. If that's what we want to ban then sure! Go ahead. It's just inconsistent I know it's not a democracy and I doubt I personally will ever be on the wrong side of the law just my Fi internal justice thing is going off. When I'm talking about other members who have nicer views I'm talking about members I like, friends with even but I can't justify their existence if Bronto is banned. It's like what RB said a while back. If you can manipulate the mods you can get away with murder. I think part of the reason Bronto was jaded is he was noticing the inequality in various situations minor though it may be. (and I don't deny some of his bans were totally justified) Now I'm not going to play the Bronto is a glorious victim martyr card cause that's stupid but there are those innate biases that due to this not being a democracy are just naturally going to exist because people are human.

I'm frustrated! I like Fukyo, I like Kuu, I'm great friends with Hadoblado. *goes looks up who's on the mod team* Oh I like Polaris and LoR as well!, I like Bronto, I like the people I think should be banned if Bronto is banned. I can't win nobody is getting along. *sob* (Plays the tragic martyr card)

 

[Helvete]

The forum needs a banning of an established member every once in a while; it's like a caffeine high for the forum, waking people up and getting them moving. It's like pruning a bush and letting it grow back, only potentially short lived and at the cost of a forumite with a lot more drama involved. I wonder what date bronto had in THD's predicted bannings thread?

 

[The Gopher]

Did a search apparently he wasn't in that thread.

 

[Jennywocky]

The thing is Bronto wasn't "just" a contentious ass-hat. He was a contentious ass-hat who backed up his opinions with logic and reason even the times when he was wrong. He did generate interaction that's worthwhile in the long run and it did allow for interactions which were more thoughtful but less frequent. (Btw when I think of more thoughtful but less frequent I think of Cheese, Yellow and you when you're serious.) As far as attracting and driving away membership I don't particularly know.

Ehh, my impression was sometimes he backed things up legitimately and other times he was just being contentious.

But I know I am less frequent, so I'm not as useful. (It probably also comes down to what individual members use the forum for. At this point in my life, I'm forced to burn a lot of energy elsewhere, so I come here to relax/recuperate vs. get into argumentative convo. Other people use the forum for different reasons, I'm sure.)

There are hundreds of contentious ass-hats I don't mind being banned.

hundreds? Let's just go for millions, then, if it's all the same to you.

See I like Bronto. The thing is his behavior is honestly no different to heaps of other members who just have nicer views. People who are on the "right" side who the mods like or tolerate more. If that's what we want to ban then sure! Go ahead. It's just inconsistent I know it's not a democracy and I doubt I personally will ever be on the wrong side of the law just my Fi internal justice thing is going off. When I'm talking about other members who have nicer views I'm talking about members I like, friends with even but I can't justify their existence if Bronto is banned. It's like what RB said a while back. If you can manipulate the mods you can get away with murder. I think part of the reason Bronto was jaded is he was noticing the inequality in various situations minor though it may be. (and I don't deny some of his bans were totally justified) Now I'm not going to play the Bronto is a glorious victim martyr card cause that's stupid but there are those innate biases that due to this not being a democracy are just naturally going to exist because people are human.

Underlined. Yeah, every site that exists is going to have that.

The best you can do is spell out the criteria of acceptability, tweak it if you decide it was mistaken (where mistaken = does not achieve your goals), and go from there.

I guess the question remains, what are the Big Bullet Point Goals? It's pretty easy to determine your ruleset if you know what you want to gain. If a rule doesn't support the goal, throw it out. If it does, incorporate it.

So what's the goal here, and did the ban support it? Are there other bans that can support the goal?
It can be like Oprah. "A ban for you! And for you! And for YOU too!"
(disclaimer: that was me kidding slightly btw. Cuz I know you like disclaimers. )

I'm frustrated! I like Fukyo, I like Kuu, I'm great friends with Hadoblado. *goes looks up who's on the mod team* Oh I like Polaris and LoR as well!, I like Bronto, I like the people I think should be banned if Bronto is banned. I can't win nobody is getting along. *sob* (Plays the tragic martyr card)

[bimgx=200]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/68/ca/43/68ca4386f4707f44ed3678f9484e0e3f.jpg[/bimgx]

I like many people on the site, although I often don't feel like I have anything more than a casual connection with anyone on the site. (Damn SX factor + generic feelings of alienation, I guess.)

Maybe you just need to hate everyone equally, and then you'll always be happy with the outcome?

 

[The Gopher]

I like many people on the site, although I often don't feel like I have anything more than a casual connection with anyone on the site. (Damn SX factor + generic feelings of alienation, I guess.)

Maybe you just need to hate everyone equally, and then you'll always be happy with the outcome?

Just so you know I've exhausted my potential to argue for the month.

Helvete: Gopher, what does the scouter say about her posting level?
Gopher: (removes his scouter and crushes it) It's over 9000!
Helvete: What?! 9000?! There's no way that can be right! Can it?

 

[Grayman]

Just so you know I've exhausted my potential to argue for the month.

At least you wasted it on important things.

 

[Grayman]

How do you know if you got a warning from the mods? It ot direct and easily defined? Or do they give you advice and then be like, "we don giv u a wornun you banned." Or do they hide the warning in the bullshitting like I dun did wit fukyo and then I think it all unserious.

 

[Grayman]

For drenk mi ber

 

[Rook]

https://youtu.be/9IYbsPZW7xY

 

[Yellow]

on a side note, where did all the tarot card avatars come from?

 

[Rook]

on a side note, where did all the tarot card avatars come from?

Propagation of Wennyjocky clones as far as my mind kens

 

[Grayman]

on a side note, where did all the tarot card avatars come from?

Jenny's wall tells it all.

 

[Yellow]

Propagation of Wennyjocky clones as far as my mind kens

... I want to fuse minds with you.

 

[Tannhauser]

Well, at least we have fewer angry, insecure males then. The docility factor was getting way too low.

 

[Grayman]

Well, at least we have fewer angry, insecure males then. The docility factor was getting way too low.

I've been proselytizing marriage values as a cure for all their problems but these nerdy teens won't have it. Need a women to set em straight.

 

[TBerg]

My guess is that, as the honeymoon slowly fades in our group, we become more and more personal rather than intellectual, and that the lust for someone's idea has transformed itself into disillusionment and mundanity.

 

[Tannhauser]

My guess is that, as the honeymoon slowly fades in our group, we become more and more personal rather than intellectual, and that the lust for someone's idea has transformed itself into disillusionment and mundanity.

I think that is true to a large extent.

Other than that, I think Bronto is just one of those people who understand that playful insults is the spice of any good discussion.

 

[Cherry Cola]

The Consequences:

Entropy has been accelerated. This place will die a little sooner than it would've have. Ergo: nothing out of the ordinary, it's just the way this place is run.

 

[TheManBeyond]

u know? i thought i had sent nanook to fucking abyss, seems he got corrupted and now comes back for revenge, need to erase his legend for once and for all

 

[Pizzabeak]

Please don't, I need someone to talk about fat with.

 

[TBerg]

The Consequences:

Entropy has been accelerated. This place will die a little sooner than it would've have. Ergo: nothing out of the ordinary, it's just the way this place is run.

Reaction to action doubles the entropy. Let me add to it.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I've been proselytizing marriage values as a cure for all their problems but these nerdy teens won't have it. Need a women to set em straight.

Ew.

Chicks are for fags, man.

 

[Jennywocky]

Just so you know I've exhausted my potential to argue for the month.

Helvete: Gopher, what does the scouter say about her posting level?
Gopher: (removes his scouter and crushes it) It's over 9000!
Helvete: What?! 9000?! There's no way that can be right! Can it?

... you should see my TypC count.

But hey, it comes out to about 3.2 posts a day here.

 

[TheManBeyond]

brothers come when they listen my tunes
but if i didn't sing, tell me, how many hands would i shake?

 

[Black Rose]

Reaction to action doubles the entropy. Let me add to it.

You are intentionally lying Tberg and I will expose you with my flawless logic: "you are an old fool"

Man what a witch hunt attitude that is, Architect says acid will fuck up your brain so don't do it and therefore he is intentionally lying because: logic.

When I told my brother the UK and USA are allies he said I was intentionally lying because in reality the UK and USA are enemies. Fuck him, my brother does not get the cold war, world war two or the war on terror. Look up fucken NATO dumbass. Read history dumb ass. I am not intentionally misunderstanding you at all, you just don't bother to consider you are the one who is wrong. It is normal for a certain group of people to think acid is dangerous, that does not make them liars, it just means they may be ignorant or had experience with people that had bad trips. Fuck you if you think I am intentionally lying about the UK and USA not being enemies. You are fucking wrong, I am not intentionally lying dumb ass. The USA and UK are allies dumb ass.

Bottom line from what I wrote above: Bronto is acting like my brother. I hate people who think I am making shit up on purpose. I am not a liar.

P.S. Wikipedia is a valid resource, my broth told me I was making shit up because I said I read about voxels on Wikipedia. Voxels are not real because Wikipedia is unreliable. By that logic Obama is not president because Wikipedia sucks balls. Fucken retard. God damn it I did not make shit up about voxels. Voxels is a real concept in computer science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel

 

[TBerg]

I get that you are trying to increase the entropy, Anime, but your perspective changed too many times for me to follow your train of thought. I supposed that was the point all along.

And seeing Anime dressed up in Bronto drag is frightening.

 

[Grayman]

Man what a witch hunt attitude that is, Architect says acid will fuck up your brain so don't do it and therefore he is intentionally lying because: logic.

I was trying to wrap my head around that one. Now it makes sense. Thanks AnimeKitty. I didn't realize I had to think of Bronto as a little boy. Now it all fits!

 

[Black Rose]

I get that you are trying to increase the entropy, Anime, but your perspective changed too many times for me to follow your train of thought. I supposed that was the point all along.

And seeing Anime dressed up in Bronto drag is frightening.

From my perspective I can see how certain minds operate. My problem is with mindsets that don't understand the intentions of others. I see it all the time when people fight with each other.

Here is that mindset:

"You are wrong and I am right so if you disagree you must be doing so on purpose because obviously you know the truth but refuse to follow that truth and are therefore being an asshole on purpose."

It's like with a variant of Christianity:

"You know deep down you are a sinner but refuse to acknowledge God, therefore you are going to hell because you as an atheists pretend God does not exist when you know he does. You intentionally rebel against God"

See the similarity in logic?
See how flawed it is?

Cognitive empathy is about understanding others intentions not projecting intentions you think they have when they don't. It upsets me when people project intentions that don't actually represent what the person they are projecting on actually believes. It's even worse when you try to communicate that where a persons perspective on others intentions came from:

AK: Billy believes Susie believes x because billy knows "y" about Susie.

Person X: Billy is projecting "x" on Susie because he is stupid.

AK: Yes but that is because of him knowing "y".

Person X: You believe "x" about Susie also so you must be stupid also.

AK: No, I am telling you Billy believes "x" about Susie because of "y".

Person X: That means you must be projecting "x" on Susie also, your stupid.

AK: I am not saying Susie is "x" or that "x" is true or false, I am saying "y" is a valid reason to believe "x" from Billy"s perspective because "y" is factually true.

Person X: that still means Billy is projecting and so are you.

AK: No I am not projecting, I am telling you the cause of Billy"s perspective and that the cause of Billy's perspective of Susie belief resulted from "y" which is true even if "x" is not true.

Person X: You're still projecting and so in Billy

AK: No, I understand why Billy believes "x" about Susie's perspective which is "y".

I deal with this shit all the time. I explain why others believe what they do and I get accused of lying or projecting. I fucken hate it when people do such things to me or to others. That is what the curse of understanding others is, they think you agree with everything that their opponents believe which is obviously wrong to them. Luckily because I understand I am immune to most accusations of projection. I understand what intentions are, that is my secret weapon.

 

[TBerg]

I'm sometimes frustrated by that as well, but I think that might have to do with having a weak identity...at least for me.

What do you see in my general intentions on the forum?

 

[bvanevery]

I hope you all get banned

I've been banned... just not here, and not recently. Some communities, there's not much shame in being banned from, because their power structure works at cross-purposes to your own needs. Sometimes it takes a ban to realize you're better off being made free of something.

 

[Grayman]

"You are wrong and I am right so if you disagree you must be doing so on purpose because obviously you know the truth but refuse to follow that truth and are therefore being an asshole on purpose."

It is the consequence of pessimism and cynicism particularly when concerning peoples thoughts.

A person who thinks the best of people is more likely to be able to see things from the perspectives of others. This is because most people don't think negatively about what they are doing. Most people have good intentions but make mistakes.

On the flip side:
A pessimist/cynic may believe that deep down there is a force driving you that is destructive and sick and you are not aware of it. "You are lying" It isn't that you are consciously aware of lying, but that certain feelings and hidden emotions are driving you to lie and you are not aware of it. As proof of this, a compulsive liar actually believes their own lies.
In other words Amnikitty you are lying to your brother because deep down you want to be right, have to be right in order for your ego to be inflated over his, and your perceptions are biased and driven to ignore certain details that would show you that you are wrong. You don't know you are doing this and are not aware that you are ignoring these details but the core of your emotions and who you are and the need to be better than your brother causes you to do this and thus you are a liar.

Now I am not saying that this is true. I am saying that this is the mentality of the pessimist. It is even what allows paranoia to grow in the mind and cause one to believe the worst in people.

If this is truly what he thinks then you have to ask yourself, what can I do to disprove this? What have I don't to make him believe this?

 

[bvanevery]

If this is truly what he thinks then you have to ask yourself, what can I do to disprove this? What have I don't to make him believe this?

One does not always have the time and resources to prove things to other people. In some cases it's not even appropriate, to sit around thinking about how one might logically or emotionally reach someone. Sometimes someone is a lost cause / insane. Sometimes when I've met a truly mentally disabled person on the street, I've had to stop this inner voice of frustration, the one that is trying to argue rationally and get him to respond like a normal moral human being. "He's insane. Get over it."

You will not get moral justice out of an insane person. Our egos want moral justice and that's why we persist in certain lines of communication, when the facts on the ground say, you're clearly barking up the wrong tree.

A person who isn't insane, but who is so emotionally bent out of shape that they have to communicate in hurtful ways, gives one a very similar feeling of frustration about the moral justice. Sometimes you have to accept that you can't change or fix someone else and just get away from them / cut your losses.

 

[Grayman]

One does not always have the time and resources to prove things to other people. In some cases it's not even appropriate, to sit around thinking about how one might logically or emotionally reach someone. Sometimes someone is a lost cause / insane. Sometimes when I've met a truly mentally disabled person on the street, I've had to stop this inner voice of frustration, the one that is trying to argue rationally and get him to respond like a normal moral human being. "He's insane. Get over it."

Well, yes his brother could be crazy but I was basing my scenario on a very common brotherly feud due to competing egos and a desire to obtain praise.

In that scenario -> I didn't acknowledge my brother when he was right at times and encourage him and praise him for his successes. I did not show pride in my brother and more importantly ensure that he sees that I am proud of him. Consequently my brother feels that I don't accept him or think highly of him and he believes that I place my ego above him.

The solution is simple. To show pride in your brother when he does accomplish things even if you feel it doesn't need saying or showing.

The result is that your brother will be more likely to accept that you are right because he doesn't feel the need to compete with your ego.

 

[bvanevery]

Some people's brothers are complete assholes. I have a friend with a brother like that. As I know my friend reasonably well over the years, I believe him, without having met the other brother or having heard his side of the story. Some kind of hell bent Ayn Rand Libertarian anti-college power tripper, who couldn't help but turn every holiday gathering into a knock down dragout political battle. Sounds like one of these guys getting bent out of shape listening to conservative talk radio, to the point of a vessel blowing out the side of his skull or whatnot. I'm not likely to ever meet the guy and will provisionally spend judgment until actually meeting him myself, as is always my policy. But if he's a complete asshole, I'm not surprised. I've met plenty of people in my life who are complete assholes and it becomes a walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck thing.

 

[nanook]

i think bronto was not truly thinking like your brother, AK. and your theory of mind is not flawless. but you have a need to feel that it is flawless because it scares you to face one of various reasons for why u are socially isolated. you would rather have it, there were no reasons within your own nature. this would give you hope for change or at least allow for unconditional self acceptance. hence you repress the knowledge of own flaws that make you unpopular. you repress, that your theory of mind is not spontaneous, but requires a lot of work and you end up over-thinking and misapplying it. you repress that it does not suffice to connect you with other people by blaming the disconnection on them, as if it were truly common for people to mistake true/flawless empathy with solidarity to an enemy. you label your empathy "my secret weapon", revealing that your unconscious mind knows the truth about how you (ab)use your flawed/incomplete theory of mind to play devil's advocate and to put up a front in the process of doing so - a front that is about demonstrating your god like superiority. your friends may use extroverted feeling, meaning judgment within social interaction, when they condemn a certain attitude, such as the intolerance of religious folks -they condemn religious influence on society- and you pretend that you are above this need for worldly interaction, for boundaries, just by means of understanding the innocence behind the ignorance of religious folks. i do this too. whether i am INTP or INFP, Fe is a thread to both types, perhaps to most introverted types and we surely like to demonstrate that we are superior to it.

you also repress, that you are poorly developed in general and fantasize about being trans-human and interstellar instead. you probably think i do the same but i admit to myself that my development is mostly flawed.

and when you see a behavior in someone else that might represent such attributes - poor theory of mind or poor overall development of consciousness - you hate what you see, because you hate it in yourself. i used to do this myself once (prior to admitting that i have multiple personality disorders, when i used to think that i am surely only a little bit neurotic), but once you are conscious of a projection you can't really continue with it.

you write:

"whether positive or negative I am striving for something wonderful and prophetic or denouncing and decrying that which is bad [...] Right now I am trying to embody the ESFP [...] I long to be that type as I think that type is supposed to be, cute, innocent, pure heart. [] I am not necessarily attacking any negative traits I think I see in other types. If anything a negativity about myself not being good enough person just confuses me. It drains my energy."

see, that is all true, but in a different way. you create a fictitious persona because you have a desperate need to appear innocent and pure hearted, meaning socially acceptable. and you could not attack anyone openly because that would not be cute, innocent and pure, it would destroy your persona and hence drain your positive energy, your hopefull outlook on life. you would face doom, abandonment by a mother or family or society or god who does not support you unconditionally. your persona does not support your true self unconditionally, that is for sure.

but without attacking anyone aggressively, you can still project a part of yourself onto someone else by accident. you can think of them as being immature or having poor theory of mind. surely that doesn't mean you are having bad intentions?!


brontos behavior was only remotely similar to these two patterns. i won't discuss his maturity. but his theory of mind was surely not absolutely complete but it was not wrong either.

his argument "architect is being a fool/fooling himself" was factually sound.

when architect claims to know enough about lsd to judge it, even though he has not tried it, he is literally lying to himself. it's not that he is too stupid to realize that personal experience is relevant in this matter. this is obvious to any half way rational person. he is not like a stupid christian who has no rational bone in his body.

he is not like your brother either, who can't imagine those most complex political circumstances that he has never even heard off, that only you have researched - even though you expect him to be capable of such an imagination, which you consider, by mistake, to be as easy to come by as the imagination that 'he might be wrong'.

architect is just someone who rationalizes something scary but important as being unimportant, so as to defend a sense of superiority, roughly as in: "i know it all, i'm a grown up and accomplished expert, i haven't missed out on anything important in life, this lsd is surely just more confusion for confused punks, the rational mind is the pinnacle of human evolution, turning one's life around in order to get rich is the hallmark of an open mind, a transrational mind does not exist, all spirituality is psychotic nonsense and does more harm than good". architect is basically being sigmund freud incarnated into the wrong century.

btw: nobody has spontaneous and flawless theory of mind. but people who tick alike are more likely to make the right assumptions about the motives of others in mundane situations such as when someone is being sad - "his football team must have lost a game!" - many people are entirely unconcious of neuroticism and think nothing of a stupid joke, so they are happy to assume that another person is saying something for "no reason at all", even when their reason is actually a deeply neurotic one.

that is how social integration works for neurotypicals. being like minded and equally superficially so. but whenever conflicts arise, it's obvious that they don't have accurate theory of mind either. much less than we do, all of us. i'm always amazed at the many egocentric points of view on facebook.

so i don't feel as bad about my own theory of mind, with it's flaws, it's tendency to overthink something, or it's tendency to "pessimism" as grayman defined it - that is: seeing the worst in people, because you were raised by the worst.

i know that no ordinary theory of mind in the world could compensate for the fact, that i tick differently. and my integral level of vision logic can't do it either. i'm not disconnected, because i lack an important social ability. i'm not that "psychopath" who misses a piece in his frontal lobe. i'm just different. and part of that may be my type, part of it may be my disorders. it's much easier to accept a disorder that could be sorted out with some therapy (if only competent therapists would exist) than to accept a complete lack of a fundamental feature such as empathy or intelligence.

so i don't always get as mad at other's who fail to form accurate theory of mind or good intelligence any more. i don't always call them psychopath anymore. i've even been known to say some really positive integrative things about psychopaths.

but i am still hating on narcissists. those who's theory of mind is flawed in a very childish self serving manner. because narcissism is a mirror of regular egocentricity and i am egocentric and i think that means i am not good enough. i ought to be at least spiritually awake, to deserve the attention of anyone, a place in the world. egocentricity is not a mere disorder either, something that could be sorted out, it's a lack, a failure to be complete, to be inclusive of OTHER, to be god. it will always be sour grapes with you, son, until you come right with jesus!


i reserve the right to be wrong. i mean how is perception even different from projection? sure, projection is motivated by repression and one does not recognize himself in what one is seeing, when it is repressed from the persona. but aside from the motivation and the repression. you see the world as you are, don't you? even if i accept myself fully, i still see you guys like i know how to see myself - i just put the pieces together differently and after that i don't really see myself in the picture anymore, though i did, in the process. and i applause architect's support of free speech: "I'm libertarian and will fight for the rights of people to do this to themselves, while simultaneously disagreeing with it." we are free to be wrong! that's the kind of respect i hope to find on a message board.

 

[Ex-User (13503)]

Respect yourself

Everyone is here by choice, as few here are dumb enough to not be able to circumvent a ban if they choose. Self-respect isn't a matter of belonging or self-control, but a reflection of one's mindfulness and value hierarchy. Isolation doesn't actually address distraction or one's propensity to be distracted. That requires real, conscious, internal change and quite simply the creation or discovery of something more interesting, engaging, sustaining, and dynamic.

Ultimately, distraction is the result of having unmet needs elsewhere, specifically, a lack of novelty.